Synthetic Oil

Oil of Choice

  • Castrol Syntec/Edge

    Votes: 237 8.5%
  • Royal Purple

    Votes: 327 11.7%
  • AMSOil

    Votes: 402 14.4%
  • Valvoline Synpower

    Votes: 161 5.8%
  • Mobil 1

    Votes: 1,000 35.8%
  • Other

    Votes: 664 23.8%

  • Total voters
    2,791

Disclaimer: Links on this page pointing to Amazon, eBay and other sites may include affiliate code. If you click them and make a purchase, we may earn a small commission.

CanuckRam1313

Senior Member
Joined
Aug 29, 2022
Posts
1,276
Reaction score
2,778
Location
Ontario Canada
Ram Year
2023 Warlock SLT
Engine
5.7
According to BITOG, none of their oils shear down, even the cheapest PCMO which doesn't use the star polymer doesn't shear. I'm running it right now and in a few months I'll have a UOA available to verify that.

It's a pity that HPL doesn't get more traction here, far as I know there are only 2 or 3 of us running it right now. It's an amazing oil manufactured by an American company who cares about the product and its customers.
Huge HPL SC 0W30 fan right here!

They have been stellar in their customer service and product quality!
I'm almost at my UCI in my brand new Warlock 5.7 at about 3,000KM break in with the factory oil.
I'll go to 5,000KM on this OCI for break in period and get it tested and then see what Blackstone says.

Ya know what.... for giggles.... I'll get the factory oil tested, too... why not, eh... TBN & TAN as well.... lets see where things start and continue on from here.....
 

Burla

Senior Member
Military
Joined
Apr 28, 2012
Posts
23,437
Reaction score
45,473
Ram Year
2010 Hemi Reg Cab 4x4
Engine
Hemi
According to BITOG, none of their oils shear down, even the cheapest PCMO which doesn't use the star polymer doesn't shear. I'm running it right now and in a few months I'll have a UOA available to verify that.

It's a pity that HPL doesn't get more traction here, far as I know there are only 2 or 3 of us running it right now. It's an amazing oil manufactured by an American company who cares about the product and its customers.
So yes few examples of this in a hemi, and if you remember myself was excited about this product as well for it's potential? However, in the one known uoa aka overkills there is more then average wear, and in the one case where it was used to attempt at hemi itck it was unsuccessful? Or that was the first attempt, one other guy says it is good at killing tick? So I would say yes there is not enough info, but products that tend to gain traction are ones that have good results. So I still have some hope for this product, I hope some guys with hemi tick give it a try now that the one known 0w30 tick killer apparently is not as good as before. People complain about redline pricing but this is also 20 bucks more then 5w30 redline amazon price on a half case, so that's 40 bucks per case more. So we should pay more for a product that causes more wear and not as good at killing tick because they care? With all due respect man it isnt personal, it is business.
 

Burla

Senior Member
Military
Joined
Apr 28, 2012
Posts
23,437
Reaction score
45,473
Ram Year
2010 Hemi Reg Cab 4x4
Engine
Hemi
I forget, does this product have esters hpl sc 0w30?
 

HEMIMANN

Senior Member
Supporting Member
Military
Joined
Dec 7, 2020
Posts
6,946
Reaction score
17,622
Location
Minneapolis, MN
Ram Year
2017 2500 Laramie Crew Cab
Engine
6.4L HEMI
According to BITOG, none of their oils shear down, even the cheapest PCMO which doesn't use the star polymer doesn't shear. I'm running it right now and in a few months I'll have a UOA available to verify that.

It's a pity that HPL doesn't get more traction here, far as I know there are only 2 or 3 of us running it right now. It's an amazing oil manufactured by an American company who cares about the product and its customers.

I'd be running it by now if I hadn't pulled a Burla stash when prices were lower on Red Line, btw.
 

HEMIMANN

Senior Member
Supporting Member
Military
Joined
Dec 7, 2020
Posts
6,946
Reaction score
17,622
Location
Minneapolis, MN
Ram Year
2017 2500 Laramie Crew Cab
Engine
6.4L HEMI
I forget, does this product have esters hpl sc 0w30?

AN

Edit: and esters - I'd forgotten. I wonder why both? They act similarly with a radical branch. Here's the quote from David to me -

SuperCar - These are euro specification multi-synthetic oils made with Group IV PAOs, esters, and AN. We originally made this to sell to a niche market of supercar owners - targeting the 0W-40 viscosity. Same as the EURO oil above, each viscosity meets/exceeds the performance specifications of a different set of specs
 

ramffml

Senior Member
Joined
Jul 12, 2019
Posts
2,909
Reaction score
5,442
Location
ramforum
Ram Year
2019
Engine
hemi 5.7
So yes few examples of this in a hemi, and if you remember myself was excited about this product as well for it's potential? However, in the one known uoa aka overkills there is more then average wear, and in the one case where it was used to attempt at hemi itck it was unsuccessful? Or that was the first attempt, one other guy says it is good at killing tick? So I would say yes there is not enough info, but products that tend to gain traction are ones that have good results. So I still have some hope for this product, I hope some guys with hemi tick give it a try now that the one known 0w30 tick killer apparently is not as good as before. People complain about redline pricing but this is also 20 bucks more then 5w30 redline amazon price on a half case, so that's 40 bucks per case more. So we should pay more for a product that causes more wear and not as good at killing tick because they care? With all due respect man it isnt personal, it is business.

Which UOA from overkill was that, I don't remember there being high wear metals?

But in any case, through the progression of my 7 UOA's, HPL has had very good results with lower wear through time vs the other oils I've run (which kind of makes sense because the engine is still young enough that wear should be decreasing).

Also one of the mods on bitog is running a flavour of it in a 3.6 and has reached like 25,000 miles only swapping the filters. I'd say that's a pretty good indication that HPL handles wear exceptionally well. Of all the critisim I've seen on bitog for HPL, not one has mentioned it wears worse than other oils, its usually the opposite but that it costs too much vs walmart oil.

I can't find amazon pricing for redline (I'm in Canada), but HPL PCMO is only $10.17/qt if you get a case of 12 with the 15 percent discount, that might even include free shipping though I can't be certain.
 

Burla

Senior Member
Military
Joined
Apr 28, 2012
Posts
23,437
Reaction score
45,473
Ram Year
2010 Hemi Reg Cab 4x4
Engine
Hemi
Which UOA from overkill was that, I don't remember there being high wear metals?

But in any case, through the progression of my 7 UOA's, HPL has had very good results with lower wear through time vs the other oils I've run (which kind of makes sense because the engine is still young enough that wear should be decreasing).

Also one of the mods on bitog is running a flavour of it in a 3.6 and has reached like 25,000 miles only swapping the filters. I'd say that's a pretty good indication that HPL handles wear exceptionally well. Of all the critisim I've seen on bitog for HPL, not one has mentioned it wears worse than other oils, its usually the opposite but that it costs too much vs walmart oil.

I can't find amazon pricing for redline (I'm in Canada), but HPL PCMO is only $10.17/qt if you get a case of 12 with the 15 percent discount, that might even include free shipping though I can't be certain.
page

Well, I mean uoa page is easily accessible, if you just go one at a time it seams like hpl is not a low wear oil, I would suggest just going through it one at a time.
 

Burla

Senior Member
Military
Joined
Apr 28, 2012
Posts
23,437
Reaction score
45,473
Ram Year
2010 Hemi Reg Cab 4x4
Engine
Hemi
Redline is also not known as a low wear oil, it's just that with current info it seams to be 20% cheaper and more effective at killing tick.
 

ramffml

Senior Member
Joined
Jul 12, 2019
Posts
2,909
Reaction score
5,442
Location
ramforum
Ram Year
2019
Engine
hemi 5.7
page

Well, I mean uoa page is easily accessible, if you just go one at a time it seams like hpl is not a low wear oil, I would suggest just going through it one at a time.

Overkill's was a 0w-20 weight, kind of hard to directly compare that vs Redline 5w-30 unless run back to back in the same engine.

For iron, he notes that PPM per 1000 miles is 3.69 which is typical for a v8.
For copper, probably same thing that happens when running Redline for the first time, it spikes while it leaches out of the cooler but settles down quickly over the next few UOA's.

Looking at my engine, the highest wear metal, by far, was the time I ran RL 5w-20. We already know 20 weight is bad news in a hemi, so same thing with overkills use of 0w-20 in his 5.7, I don't think his Iron was high even given the use of 20 weight.

In my 2 previous HPL runs, I've seen iron drop down to 2.51 ppm/1000 miles. Copper has flatlined since switching to HPL, possibly due to the use of high amounts of esters leaching it out.

So again, I'm not seeing HPL correlated with high wear. Certainly not higher than RL in my truck.

I'm less interested in seeing single UOA's and comparing them to UOA's from other engines. I'm more interested in seeing reports like mine, where we're running Redline and HPL in the same engine under the same conditions and from my report it looks like HPL has lower wear. (Aluminum to be determined next time since I installed a pacbrake oil filter kit (made of solid aluminum) right before the last run and that might be skewing those results, same thing with the silicon).
 

Burla

Senior Member
Military
Joined
Apr 28, 2012
Posts
23,437
Reaction score
45,473
Ram Year
2010 Hemi Reg Cab 4x4
Engine
Hemi
HPL uoa's on bitog usually have a different oil ran before. ill post the first three on the page and we'll see. I have no idea how they look, many uoa's are there now since ok's uoa.
 

Burla

Senior Member
Military
Joined
Apr 28, 2012
Posts
23,437
Reaction score
45,473
Ram Year
2010 Hemi Reg Cab 4x4
Engine
Hemi
first three in a row with hpl in title. ill post first then look.

hpl versus bmw looks good

hpl kona increased wear but double interval = wash over other oil = good

skip overkills

hpl versus honda wear is up marginal cant find interval I say wash.

So everything imo looks good on hpl, but the super car needs more inspection as these seam to be their other offerings.
 

Burla

Senior Member
Military
Joined
Apr 28, 2012
Posts
23,437
Reaction score
45,473
Ram Year
2010 Hemi Reg Cab 4x4
Engine
Hemi
I have not seen bitog since overkills uoa, so I'm just not or wasnt current :)

It's actual;ly better news for hpl, just maybe some of their non super car can compete with redline, see moly levels plus low wear. For whatever reason at this point super car didnt translate over, perhaps since the first report wasnt good, it is not accurate, dunno.
 

crackerjack1957

Senior Member
Joined
Sep 26, 2015
Posts
2,068
Reaction score
2,493
Ram Year
2014 Sport 1500 CC 4x4
Engine
Hemi 5.7...65RFE...4.56
Advanced Lubrication Inc. doesn't have free shipping.
But price is fairly close together.
1000001220.png


Below is a case of four 1-gallon jugs of Red Line
Of course not from Advanced Lubrication

1000001219.png
 
Last edited:

Burla

Senior Member
Military
Joined
Apr 28, 2012
Posts
23,437
Reaction score
45,473
Ram Year
2010 Hemi Reg Cab 4x4
Engine
Hemi
Yeah, we just need to verify formulas with them, since they have so many that should be posted. If I read it correctly, their euro formula is high moly, which is rare and cool imo. So identify which formulas with hpl.
 

ramffml

Senior Member
Joined
Jul 12, 2019
Posts
2,909
Reaction score
5,442
Location
ramforum
Ram Year
2019
Engine
hemi 5.7
Appreciate the HPL UOA's! I'll look through them in a bit.

All HPL formulas have very high moly > 700 ppm IIRC, other than their plain jane "Euro" oil which has pretty much 0. "Euro" not to be confused with "no vii euro" which is a different formula and has > 700 ppm. Their plain Euro is more equivalent to the PCMO, it's an entry oil similar to PCMO except with Euro ad pack instead.

My VOA of HPL PP 0w-30 came back with 860 ppm of moly.
 

HEMIMANN

Senior Member
Supporting Member
Military
Joined
Dec 7, 2020
Posts
6,946
Reaction score
17,622
Location
Minneapolis, MN
Ram Year
2017 2500 Laramie Crew Cab
Engine
6.4L HEMI
Redline is also not known as a low wear oil, it's just that with current info it seams to be 20% cheaper and more effective at killing tick.

Yep. It's a jet engine roller bearing oil with PAO blended in.

I'm getting more and more interested in HPL as I draw down my Red Line inventory. PAO is ideal for engines, actually. Well, normal engines. Maybe Top Fuel runs 70 weight pure ester for 36 seconds of engine lifetime.
 

ramffml

Senior Member
Joined
Jul 12, 2019
Posts
2,909
Reaction score
5,442
Location
ramforum
Ram Year
2019
Engine
hemi 5.7
I have not seen bitog since overkills uoa, so I'm just not or wasnt current :)

It's actual;ly better news for hpl, just maybe some of their non super car can compete with redline, see moly levels plus low wear. For whatever reason at this point super car didnt translate over, perhaps since the first report wasnt good, it is not accurate, dunno.

I guess I'm not seeing the problem with his run, bare with me here lol. So his iron per 1000 miles actually came down vs m1, copper went up probably due to esters/chelation (just like we see on first runs of Redline), the rest is all a wash; oxidation was flagged as high, but HPL's ****** oxidation numbers are also really high so it's the difference between VOA and UOA that matters more than the absolute value? Here is what I saved from wwilson when he explained it:

No, the oxidation limit in this oil has not been reached. The HDEO in my Durango has a ****** oxidation value of about 40. Since HPL's base oils are high in carbonyl groups, ASTM D7414 will show high oxidation even in ****** oil. Let's say the ****** oxidation value of this oil is 40 and after 30k miles the oxidation is 56.3, then the real oxidation value after 30k miles is 16.3, which is lower than Wearcheck's suggested condemnation value of >25.

My point is the absolute oxidation value on the UOA is useless unless you normalize the value with the known ****** oxidation number.

So guess at this point we could really use a VOA of SC 0w-20 just to get that ****** oxidation number?

Edit: good grief. This forum still has issues with a perfectly normal word like "v|rgin". That's what all the silly **"s above are for.
 

crackerjack1957

Senior Member
Joined
Sep 26, 2015
Posts
2,068
Reaction score
2,493
Ram Year
2014 Sport 1500 CC 4x4
Engine
Hemi 5.7...65RFE...4.56
I ain't running no EPA oil! (0W-20)

But I will run 0W-30 SC cause it is higher vis and HTHS than 5W-30 PP
Same price as
I ain't running no EPA oil! (0W-20)

But I will run 0W-30 SC cause it is higher vis and HTHS than 5W-30 PP
Just did a quick cart to show yall there are shipping charges, I myself would do 0W-40 sc.
OW-30 sc was 30 cent more & the OW-40 was about $13 more for the same 4-gallon containers.
 
Top