1211 vs 1223V

Full springs and 5100 rears soon. No bags. Front to be done eventually once i settle on a lift setting with level when towing and slight rake when "empty" (see List below for empty).

From my reading / harvesting

1211: Rides stiffer (not concerned), Ride height change unloaded: +0.75 inch

1223V: Rides stiffer than stock, Ride height Change unloaded: -0.5 inch

1223: Not for me.
1210: too light

Are these numbers factual? 2 week settle, been twisted up, hit speed bump, towed numbers preferred. I understand how a variable spring works and when loaded the magic happens.

Any idea what weight puts them equal? 500lbs @ 2 inches drop? More? TTC hasn't been forthcoming enough to provide spring rates.

I tow my boat ~ 200lbs of tongue weight ~2500lbs total. Probably a travel trailer in a couple years (7 K max wet, ~25 feet WDH)

Have ram boxes with loads of stuff in them (tools, straps, clevis, shovels, more straps, axe, breaker bar, torque wrench, full socket set strapped to floor of truck) Constant. plus a Bakflip Fibermax.

Had a full linear spring lift on my Liberty, was stiffer than the stock ram by a lot. Pretty sure the answer is 1211 unless I missed something.

tossed 8 jugs of Kitty litter from costco in the back and really didn't like the squat. so something needs to be done before i even consider carrying a trailer. 48K KM's on truck and those shocks are done.

You may have read one of my posts on this subject before. I lifted the front 1.4" and switched to 1223v + Daystar 1" spacer in the rear. I'm happy. The ride is excellent. I currently have about 360 lbs of sand bags in the bed. They've managed to shift to the front, where I've decided to leave them. Then there's probably about another 100 lbs of various stuff behind them. I still have over an inch of rake, though I haven't bothered to measure an exact number.

If I did it again, I would probably opt for the 1211s. Mostly just to ensure the headlights stay pointed down regardless of what I load.

billyw said:

You may have read one of my posts on this subject before. I lifted the front 1.4" and switched to 1223v + Daystar 1" spacer in the rear. I'm happy. The ride is excellent. I currently have about 360 lbs of sand bags in the bed. They've managed to shift to the front, where I've decided to leave them. Then there's probably about another 100 lbs of various stuff behind them. I still have over an inch of rake, though I haven't bothered to measure an exact number.

If I did it again, I would probably opt for the 1211s. Mostly just to ensure the headlights stay pointed down regardless of what I load.

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sure did, also found
http://www.ramforum.com/f40/stock_ride_height_dual_rate_rear_coils-97758/

your last post.

Thanks for the front setting suggestion.

Also how much did the 360 lbs of sand knock you down from empty?

LOL. I keep repeating myself. I'll try to measure tonight to see what the actual difference is.

carrying a 300 lb fifth wheel hitch with my 1223v springs no discernable squat . ride is nice.

What is the difference between the 1211 and 1223s, from what I can find they both state heavy duty 50% more load capacity.
What am I missing here.?

69GWC said:

What is the difference between the 1211 and 1223s, from what I can find they both state heavy duty 50% more load capacity.
What am I missing here.?

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no the 1223v is only 35% more capacity its a variable weight spring thin at the top and thicker at the bottom.

I was asking about the 1223s not the 1223vs because you had took them of the list but everything I have found state's they are both rated 50% over stock so I just wondered if one gave a lift or something.

69GWC said:

I was asking about the 1223s not the 1223vs because you had took them of the list but everything I have found state's they are both rated 50% over stock so I just wondered if one gave a lift or something.

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sorry cant answer for those springs but if you are worried about squat then put air bags in put a few pounds of air in them for your light load then pump them up for heavy loads lol.

Anyone think I could run the 1211s with a rough country lift?


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lol no air bags for me dont care for them.
Getting ready to order some TTC 1223s so I wont have to worry about sag anymore with 50% over stock load capacity.
But was curious about the 1211s since I cant seem to find info on them and the OP was looking at them but did not like the 1223s so I figured he knew the difference between them.

TTC-1223

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1211s

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The 1211's add 50% capacity and don't lift, the 1223's add 50% capacity and will lift the truck about 1.5"-2" unloaded.

I can vouch for the 1223's. I have them on my truck with my bilsteins at 2.8" and I never sag below level and when unloaded I have just a slight bit of rake, measures about 1". But I constantly have about 400 pounds in the bed; toolbox/tools, B&W hitch, etc. I've pulled a 30' car hauler with a blazer on it as well as a very heavy 24' big bend stock trailer with horses in it. Best mod I've done to my truck.
Unloaded
16' stock trailer empty
30' car hauler and blazer


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Hey thanks for the clarification on the difference.

When I was debating which springs to get I called tuftruck and discussed my needs and other suspension mods and the 1223's are what they recommended to me to fit my needs and I couldn't be happier.


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69GWC said:

What is the difference between the 1211 and 1223s, from what I can find they both state heavy duty 50% more load capacity.
What am I missing here.?

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If your running a heavier service bed or truck box camper they are more ideal. As noted in the more detailed pasted post "Constant" load plus 50% capacity.

If unloaded your going to be high 2 inches or so and a tad stiffer.

My last vehicle was full spring lifted 3 inches and am trying not to go this route with this one. I already got metric 33's no need for me to go higher.

http://www.ramforum.com/f119/first_towing_mod_installed-_ttc-1223_rancho_9000xl-47779/
One of the more detailed posts on 1223's out there.

Also another one with a slide in camper that occasionally tows a boat. Showed a ~2 inch rise unloaded above his tire to fender. Can't find the post but its out there.

Great springs, great application if its what you want. given the choice of full spring or add a spacer there is no choice.

Still looking for confimation on lift from 1211?
Only post on measurements i've seen and its a fresh install. TLDNR: +.5 to 0.75 depending on what picture is what fender

Others have said more no pictures.

http://www.ramforum.com/f119/new_shocks_springs_ordered_more_info_come-60009/index2.html

barr0208 said:

carrying a 300 lb fifth wheel hitch with my 1223v springs no discernable squat . ride is nice.

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Thanks for feedback.

Got any fender height measurements? wheel center to fender lip if your game for measuring?

Well, for what it's worth, I've measured and can now say that with 450-500 lbs in the bed (most of it forward of the rear axle), the rear dropped about 1/2". That's with 1223V springs.

billyw said:

Well, for what it's worth, I've measured and can now say that with 450-500 lbs in the bed (most of it forward of the rear axle), the rear dropped about 1/2". That's with 1223V springs.

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So with your spacer your 0.5 inch above stock?

The spacer only got me to about 1/2" above stock over all. With the load, I'm right at stock height on the right, and 1/2" below on the left. Dunno why they're different, but the left has been a little lower than the right since the "upgrade". Are OEM springs calibrated for the fuel tank on the left side?