Overloaded 2016 RAM 2500 - Effects?

nonrev321 · Aug 29, 2017

Hello,

I have a 2016 RAM 2500 Laramie Longhorn. Will be pulling a 5th wheel. Once all calculations are taken into account, i.e. passengers, all tanks on truck and trailer full, all cargo in trailer and truck bed, etc. I will have a payload bringing me 500 lbs over the GVWR of 10,000.

Is this enough to trigger the overload function on the truck? I have heard that once triggered performance, including speed, is throttled

Is this 500lbs too far above the 10,000 to be considered save towing? Opinions please

Thanks

Rgds
nonrev

Rampant · Aug 29, 2017

nonrev321 said:
Hello,

I have a 2016 RAM 2500 Laramie Longhorn. Will be pulling a 5th wheel. Once all calculations are taken into account, i.e. passengers, all tanks on truck and trailer full, all cargo in trailer and truck bed, etc. I will have a payload bringing me 500 lbs over the GVWR of 10,000.

Is this enough to trigger the overload function on the truck? I have heard that once triggered performance, including speed, is throttled

Is this 500lbs too far above the 10,000 to be considered save towing? Opinions please

Thanks

Rgds
nonrev

Overload function? I'm not aware that there is even such a thing. Where did you hear/read about this? Do you have rear airbags? Maybe something in that system? Interesting.

In your situation, I'd be more concerned with GCWR... are you over that?

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Devin1349 · Aug 29, 2017

What all is it that you are hauling, do you have airlift helper bags in the back?? are you rounding up on weight numbers as far as cargo goes???

Sillygoose · Aug 29, 2017

the overload sensor triggers the ejection seat

huntergreen · Aug 29, 2017

Haven't heard of overload function eithe. I have heard of not being able to raise or lower the air suspension if you are to heavy.

troutspinner · Aug 29, 2017

Mechanically you may be fine but I always worry about the liability factor. If you were in an accident, possibly not even your fault, if someone wants to poke far enough, they could make you liable for being negligent. Further, what if the accident leads to a death, now you face jail time and will most likely lose everything you have.

I'm not the moral police here, I just know that as I get older and the world gets more insane, you have to protect your butt.

GsRAM · Aug 29, 2017

personally, i wouldn't do it. folks do all the time though, but that's on them. good luck

cyclepuck · Aug 29, 2017

Most don't run with all the tanks full.

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TRCM · Aug 29, 2017

only overload function I know of is the air suspension will give you a warning.......

1) Don't travel with full tanks in the camper
2) move weight to the backside of the camper (past the wheels to offset tongue weight)
3) move stuff from the truck to the camper if possible

DanR · Aug 29, 2017

TRCM said:
only overload function I know of is the air suspension will give you a warning.......

1) Don't travel with full tanks in the camper
2) move weight to the backside of the camper (past the wheels to offset tongue weight)
3) move stuff from the truck to the camper if possible

Be careful with number two... too much weight to the rear can cause excessive sway. At least it will in ball hitch campers, not sure about 5th wheels but I would think it's the same principal. If your not evenly distributing weight throughout, you tend to want to overload the front, not the rear.

Trupiano · Aug 29, 2017

Your 2500 will be just fine. Honestly, you could hit 16k and the truck would be fine. Any more and you'll have a lot of sway. Legally would be the problem. But with only 500 lbs over, don't worry as cops and insurance even if you got in an accident aren't going to bother you.

2500 vs 3500 The only big difference is wheel bearings and leafs. Everything else is similar.

3500 SRW vs DRW The only big difference is the rear axle and additional load bearing tires. DRW helps with sway as well.

I have a 3500 DRW and am purchasing a 42 5'er.

I've seen tons of 2500's pull just fine with large rigs up to 16k.

mtofell · Aug 30, 2017

Axle weights are most important by far and you will likely be under on the rear by at least 500# (front should be fine as well).

CrispyBacon · Aug 30, 2017

Trupiano said:
Your 2500 will be just fine. Honestly, you could hit 16k and the truck would be fine. Any more and you'll have a lot of sway. Legally would be the problem. But with only 500 lbs over, don't worry as cops and insurance even if you got in an accident aren't going to bother you.

2500 vs 3500 The only big difference is wheel bearings and leafs. Everything else is similar.

3500 SRW vs DRW The only big difference is the rear axle and additional load bearing tires. DRW helps with sway as well.

I have a 3500 DRW and am purchasing a 42 5'er.

I've seen tons of 2500's pull just fine with large rigs up to 16k.

Good job, dude. You're telling him what he wants to hear, not what he needs time hear. Are you going to pay his new insurance premiums for him, too?

Trupiano · Aug 30, 2017

CrispyBacon said:
Good job, dude. You're telling him what he wants to hear, not what he needs time hear. Are you going to pay his new insurance premiums for him, too?

No, I think I'm telling him more of what its actually like, in the "real world" of towing. Not based on fear and speculation, and what salty dudes on the internet with a keyboard and little experience believe.

I'm basing this off your own words in your previous post in the towing section by the way:

"well this is my second truck but I've never actually towed anything". -Crispybacon

Thanks for your opinion though buddy. [emoji6]

undertow · Aug 30, 2017

troutspinner said:
Mechanically you may be fine but I always worry about the liability factor. If you were in an accident, possibly not even your fault, if someone wants to poke far enough, they could make you liable for being negligent. Further, what if the accident leads to a death, now you face jail time and will most likely lose everything you have.

I'm not the moral police here, I just know that as I get older and the world gets more insane, you have to protect your butt.

^^^^ This. If you get into an accident, regardless of the cause, your insurance company will use the fact that you were overloaded to deny coverage. And if there are injuries or deaths, there will be lots and lots of lawyers involved, and they will work very hard to find something they can use to make it your fault, even if it isn't. I speak from experience here.

Anything that involves lawyers or insurance companies requires the utmost care. Don't risk it.

smurfs_of_war · Aug 30, 2017

undertow said:
^^^^ This. If you get into an accident, regardless of the cause, your insurance company will use the fact that you were overloaded to deny coverage. And if there are injuries or deaths, there will be lots and lots of lawyers involved, and they will work very hard to find something they can use to make it your fault, even if it isn't. I speak from experience here.

Anything that involves lawyers or insurance companies requires the utmost care. Don't risk it.

I'd be interested in more information about your experience here. I am sitting right beside a commercial insurance broker who said either that's complete BS, something specific to your insurance company, or you got taken to the cleaners.

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CrispyBacon · Aug 30, 2017

Well I have a degree in criminology. Part of my degree focused on Canadian law. Maybe things are different in the states, but here there's a separate division of traffic enforcement focused solely on commercial vehicles.

Basically, you do NOT want to tow overloaded here in Canada. Regardless of what my past towing experience is, the laws/penalties are severe enough here that you want to follow them.

smurfs_of_war · Aug 30, 2017

Actually I am in Canada, which is why I am curious. Commercial and private are two totally different games... not that I agree with it, but it's the way it is.

I was just curious is all.

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TRCM · Aug 30, 2017

DanR said:
Be careful with number two... too much weight to the rear can cause excessive sway. At least it will in ball hitch campers, not sure about 5th wheels but I would think it's the same principal. If your not evenly distributing weight throughout, you tend to want to overload the front, not the rear.

True, it can cause problems, especially with single axle trailers, but if he only needs to move 500 or so lbs, like was said in his post in the towing section, he should be able to do that and still maintain adequate tongue weight for decent towing with a dual axle trailer.

Also, 5th wheel & bumper pull do act differently due to the pivot point locations.

Ratket · Aug 31, 2017

smurfs_of_war said:
Actually I am in Canada, which is why I am curious. Commercial and private are two totally different games... not that I agree with it, but it's the way it is.

I was just curious is all.

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Bah - in the states any truck with out a "Shell" that does not be removed gets "comercial plates" - well at least in California- makes for expensive yearly registration fees-

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