Towing and Torqueflite 8?

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michael 13

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Ok, I am confused about the tow capability charts for the '13 1500 quad cab Long Horn 4x4. Looking at the one for iPhone/iPad.

It makes sense, up until you calculate the final ratios of the first few gears, which give the 8spd/3.21 combo, a significantly higher overall ratio down low than the 6 sod and 3.92s, at the time when I would figure for the torque requirement should be at its peak, and a lower overall/final ratio for better mpg.

Why is the max tow rating so poor for the 8spd/3.21 combo?

Is the axle ratio, really more important than the overall ratio, or am I missing something. Before looking it up, I figured that the 8spd/3.21 combo, would at least be the equivalent of the 6spd with 3.92s. The overall ratio starts significantly higher, than the 6spd 3.92 combo.

3.55 and 3.92 capacities are within 50# of each other for everything else being equal.
Makes me also wonder, why the axle ratio of those sets is so similar as well.
I would have figured the limiting factor would move on to something like breaks with the overall/final ratio being expanded. More torque available to get things moving, and I was expecting better mpg during towing from the lower 8th gear ratio.
 

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I have the 6 speed 3.92 combo and it tows well. I never get out of 4th @ 70 MPH with 6500#. My issue is the truck is very squirrely. I cant imagine a 3.21 towing anything. Seems like you would be stuck in 2nd or 3rd all the time with 3.21s....just don't make sense...
 

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What you need to look at as well is the ratio when in 6th-8th gear. This is where you'll be when towing on the highway.

I watched a video test on YouTube comparing a V6 3.21 truck to a V6 3.55 truck and the reviewer said that there was a negligible difference in the two when towing, claiming the new A8 is VERY efficient at getting more of the power to the wheels.

I personally went with the 3.92 and the hemi A8 combo, because I didn't have ANY idea what the 3.55 would be like. The sport only has two options. I'm still waiting on my truck.
 
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What are the ratios of the 6-speed tranny that comes with the 5.7 hemi? What are the ratios of the A8?
 
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According to allpar

the A8 Gear Ratios: 1-4.71 2-3.14 3-2.10 4-1.67 5-1.29 6-1.00 7-0.84 8-0.67 R 3.30
the A6 Gear Ratios: 1-3.0 2-1.67 3-1.50 4-1.0 5-0.75 6-0.67 R-3.0

If my math is correct,
In 5th/7th, the difference between trans ratios is 25.3%, while the difference between the 3.21 and 3.92 axle ratios, is only 21.7%. Giving the A8 a lower overall/final ratio right up until that point.
 
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According to allpar

the A8 Gear Ratios: 1-4.71 2-3.14 3-2.10 4-1.67 5-1.29 6-1.00 7-0.84 8-0.67 R 3.30
the A6 Gear Ratios: 1-3.0 2-1.67 3-1.50 4-1.0 5-0.75 6-0.67 R-3.0

If my math is correct,
In 5th/7th, the difference between trans ratios is 25.3%, while the difference between the 3.21 and 3.92 axle ratios, is only 21.7%. Giving the A8 a lower overall/final ratio right up until that point.




Wow, first in the A8 is A LOT lower than first in the A6. In fact, SECOND in the A8 is lower than first in the A6.

This would mean that with the A8/3.92 combo, first overall would be 18.46!!! This is way too low. This may be why the A8's come with a 3.21 (???).

BTW, the RAM web site will still not let you spec out a 5.7 hemi with the A8. You can order the 3.92 axle but it comes with the A6.
 

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Well my truck ought to burn the tires off with that sort of ratio! lol It'll be like a granny gear. At least the final drive ratio is the same as the A6 which is what really matters to me.

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That is what gets me about the A8 listed tow ratings.
Is the listed info correct?
Seems like something is off with either my understanding of tow ratings, or the listed ratings for the A8/5.7 info in the app.
 
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Looks like its going to be a fun truck.
Just left the dealership. No better info on 3.21s, but we are working on a 3.92 A8 Hemi 4x4 quad cab.
 

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My next truck is for sure going to be a 3.92 8 speed Hemi. That combo at first gear sounds very very enticing. :flamingdevil:
 
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Anybody out there actually HAVE a 5.7/3.92/A8 Ram 1500? How does it perform? I am interested in some real-world opinions.
 

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Anybody out there actually HAVE a 5.7/3.92/A8 Ram 1500? How does it perform? I am interested in some real-world opinions.

Me too! Probably a bit too late since mines being produced on the 15th of May, but W/E, would still like to know.
 

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Seems like A8 with 3.92 would be similar to 5 or 6 speed with 4.10 maybe even 4.56 which will rock off the line and keep rpm lower on highway for better mpg than my five can get since I am at 2200 rpm in fifth at 72mph.


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