Would this 5th wheel be to much?

Hemihog6.4 · Jul 1, 2017

Forest river Wolfpack 315 gvwr 14036lbs pin weight 2036lbs
I have a 2500 with a 6.4 hemi

drittal · Jul 1, 2017

Yes

Once you load that beast with 1000lbs of living stuff and food, 500-1000lbs of water and 500-1500 lbs of toys you will wish you had more truck, especially if you have 3.73 gears because it's max tow is 12,500.

I towed at 100% of GCWR with my old 2500 6.4l. I felt it did well enough, but it wasn't nearly as tall or heavy as what you are proposing.

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mowin · Jul 2, 2017

X2.

If that's the brochure advertised pin wt, chances are that's low. I'll bet empty you'll be closer to 2800#. Add your hitch, and your out of payload.

AFMoulton · Jul 2, 2017

Way too much trailer.

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GsRAM · Jul 3, 2017

Agreed your in 3500, likely diesel territory with that rig.

BossHogg · Jul 3, 2017

Hemihog6.4 said:
Forest river Wolfpack 315 gvwr 14036lbs pin weight 2036lbs
I have a 2500 with a 6.4 hemi

The pin weight they quote is unloaded trailer weight (UVW). Like mentioned above, once the trailer is loaded up for typical use, your pin weight is going to be pushing 3,000 pounds.

Nice looking toy hauler, what you going to put in the garage?

Bigdaddy · Jul 4, 2017

Yep get a different setup.

whsk · Jul 4, 2017

you want to stay at 10000 or less with a gas motor to be reasonable with mpg and power

zogg · Jul 13, 2017

A friend of mine had a 2005 F250 powerstroke to pull his 12,000+ pound 5th wheel. The ford crapped out and he bought a 2500 with the 6.4. He wanted the Cummins but cost was an issue.

All he does is complain abut how under powered his truck is....surprised?? Not me.

rontimmer · Jul 14, 2017

I currently have a fifth wheel with a MAX weight of 16000 and a pin weight of just over 3000 and I pull it with a 2500 that has a 6.4 and 4.10 gears. The truck has the power to pull it, I typically run 60-65 miles per hour and did so even when I had a smaller camper. I usually average 9-12 MPG depending on the weather conditions and terrain. The weight on the rear end only squats the truck about an inch when I hook it up. Now for the down side, I carefully load my trailer to keep it under the max towing of my truck which is 15,500 pounds but even at that I am over my max cargo weight of 2880 according to the sticker on the door. Given my experience with this set up I would say if your plans are to drag it down to the lake 40 or fifty miles away two or three times a year your truck can do it. But I agree with everyone else here that you really should look at moving up to a 3500 because of the pin weight and a diesel if you are going to be pulling any distance or in any type of hills. I am planning to upgrade to a 3500 this fall.

mtofell · Jul 14, 2017

Likely too much but really need to know the dry weight and how much you intend to put in it to know for sure. The trailer's GVWR is a good guideline but sometimes doesn't tell the whole story.

If a manufacturer puts super beefy axles on a trailer you can have as much as a 5,000# difference between what the trailer weighs and what it can carry.

A dry pin of 2036# likely means a dry weight around 10-11K. Add 1000-1500# of stuff and you're at 12,500#. You could maybe do it and stay within all the numbers if you have hardly anything in the truck but it's really pushing it.

My 5th has a dry weight of 9000# with the same truck and I don't think I'd want to go much heavier.

whsk · Jul 14, 2017

that trailer is dually territory-ask me how i know?

mtofell · Jul 14, 2017

whsk said:
that trailer is dually territory-ask me how i know?

Just looked up the specs:

Cherokee Wolf Pack Toy Haulers by Forest River RV

10,800# dry weight. As I anticipated, a pretty large CCC of 3000#+

Certainly not DRW required. But, if you're planning to load it up with 3000# of "toys" I suppose that would be getting close to the limits of a SRW's GVWR. Axle ratings probably would still be well under but the whole GVWR vs FAWR/RAWR axle ratings is another debate entirely.

OP, I think a lot of the question comes down to how much do you put in the truck, how much in the 5th, how fast do you want to go and how close to the numbers do you want to be?

To answer your initial question you can pretty easily haul that trailer off the lot in your 2500 Hemi well within the truck's ratings.

dewey405 · Sep 7, 2017

I have a question about this, wouldn't it stand that when you load the toys it lightens the pin weight? The reason toy haulers are so front heavy empty is to compensate for when they are loaded? If that's the case, just keep some weight in the rear when towing would seem advisable?

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mtofell · Sep 7, 2017

dewey405 said:
I have a question about this, wouldn't it stand that when you load the toys it lightens the pin weight? The reason toy haulers are so front heavy empty is to compensate for when they are loaded? If that's the case, just keep some weight in the rear when towing would seem advisable?

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Loading the back of a trailer does lighten the tongue/pin weight in theory but I think it's one of the more over-estimated things in RVing. The fulcrum of a trailer is not a point - it's two (or 3) axles. So, the weight doesn't just nicely lift up on the front when put in the back. Most of it just ends up on said axles.

Any hope of lightening a "dry" pin or tongue weight is a really bad plan to make a trailer work with a given truck. The best you can hope for is to minimize what you add to the pin/tongue weight.

I have to admit I've never had to strategically load a trailer but have read about it many times on RV message boards. It never really does as much as anyone thinks. Usually, it doesn't do anything.

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