5.7 Hemi Discontinued

Mineralram · Oct 11, 2017

The rumor has also been heard by dealership owners directly relayed by dealership area sales reps

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Addicted2fishing · Oct 12, 2017

If they discontinue the Hemi they will lose a lot of customers. Some people need V8’s for towing, contractors etc.... I don’t care what people say small displacement motors with turbos putting out same horsepower is not the same. I’m not a mechanic but to me seems like stress on small motor.

I had a turbo on my Santa Fe and that thing was a ************* that left me stranded twice in the year I owned it. Also, my supercharged car would always break down. I’ve come to the conclusion that it’s naturally aspirated or nothing for me. Will not get into a turbo any time soon

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huntergreen · Oct 12, 2017

I would agree, but the Ecoboost seems to be holding up. When the Pentastar was built, it was designed for so that a turbo could be added during assembly. There was also a Pentastar V8 on the drawing board "4.5. Litter or so" that was said to easily put out out stronger Hp and torque numbers than the hemi with greatly improved mpg. Would also meet stricter expected EPA numbers. Iirc this was without a turbo. This engine was shelved as the hemi was far cheaper to keep using than r&d costs of bring the Pentastar to market so it was shelved. Eventually the hemi will be replaced. I will reserve judgement on owning the next gen engine based on what replaces it.

chrisbh17 · Oct 12, 2017

huntergreen said:
I would agree, but the Ecoboost seems to be holding up. When the Pentastar was built, it was designed for so that a turbo could be added during assembly. There was also a Pentastar V8 on the drawing board "4.5. Litter or so" that was said to easily put out out stronger Hp and torque numbers than the hemi with greatly improved mpg. Would also meet stricter expected EPA numbers. Iirc this was without a turbo. This engine was shelved as the hemi was far cheaper to keep using than r&d costs of bring the Pentastar to market so it was shelved. Eventually the hemi will be replaced. I will reserve judgement on owning the next gen engine based on what replaces it.

Recently purchased a 2017 RAM 1500 Big Horn with the 5.7 Hemi.

I also test drove an F150 with the 2.7L Ecoboost. That engine itself feels crazy...so tiny yet putting out so much power. BUT...Ford still sells the truck with a V8. All of the "deals" I found on F150s around are of the V6 variety...the V8 trucks are still going for a premium.

So, while the days of normally aspirated 8 cylinders might be on the way out, I would be surprised if its anytime soon. It could almost turn into a game of chicken...who dumps their V8 first? Then the other brands can start advertising how they still sell one.

While the 2.7L was nice, in the back of my mind I kept hearing "direct injection coking intake valves" and "twin turbos are more complicated than 8 cylinders". It was part of (but not all) the reason I went with the RAM. IMHO it behooves Chrysler to keep the Hemi as long as possible, or at least replace it with a more fuel efficient V8 when the time comes.

As far as mpg goes, well, I now have a full size truck with a Hemi V8 that gets better mpg around the city than my V6 Nissan Frontier ever did. So, yeah, mpg is all relative!

huntergreen · Oct 12, 2017

I agree. The newer engines are far more complicated than past engines. The trade off is higher mpg and power.

indept · Oct 13, 2017

huntergreen said:
I agree. The newer engines are far more complicated than past engines. The trade off is higher mpg and power.

The trade off will be more problems after the warranty is up and they're paying $1k a pop for turbo replacement ($2K with dual turbo's) and the 2000 psi direct injection issues that are sure to develop.....

adrianp89 · Oct 13, 2017

So what I get from this thread - a lot of people can't read lol. It says the 5.7 may go away - not the Hemi.

Also I think it is safe to assume we are getting to a point where turbos are much more reliable. Ford is churning out 100,000s of turbos now - and honestly I haven't heard much issue wise.

I love the V8 sound - but if they want to give me a 500hp v6.... I mean I am not going to complain if my truck is 2 seconds faster.

TruckNut · Oct 13, 2017

If they scrap the hemi, then I’ll move to a Honda El Camino.

indept · Oct 13, 2017

My point being that as you add more crap that's more to fail. Time will tell as those scores of direct injection ecoboosts get above 100k miles.

I agree with your point about the 500hp V6, if thats all that is offered (pimped out V6's) then thats what I'll buy and I'm sure I'll like it. As long as it's reliable.

cbsmith · Oct 13, 2017

When new technology comes out people always freak out about how it is going to fail and not last and the older way is better.

Go back over 30 years and people thought getting a fuel injected engine was going to be horrible and it would break and people wanted to stick with carb engines. Same thing with power windows, electric power steering, electronic transfer cases, ABS brakes, and probably a bunch of other stuff just on cars alone.

People said that all of the above was going to ruin cars and make them have problems all the time. Sure some stuff will still break but I bet less stuff breaks on these newer vehicles with all this technology than stuff did on older vehicles 30 years ago.

Wildfyre116 · Oct 13, 2017

cbsmith said:
When new technology comes out people always freak out about how it is going to fail and not last and the older way is better.

Go back over 30 years and people thought getting a fuel injected engine was going to be horrible and it would break and people wanted to stick with carb engines. Same thing with power windows, electric power steering, electronic transfer cases, ABS brakes, and probably a bunch of other stuff just on cars alone.

People said that all of the above was going to ruin cars and make them have problems all the time. Sure some stuff will still break but I bet less stuff breaks on these newer vehicles with all this technology than stuff did on older vehicles 30 years ago.

Exactly. People are afraid of change. More complex <> less reliable. Sure, some advances have growing pains, but eventually they get hashed out. I especially like the people weary of direct injection and high fuel pressure; you realize manufacturers have been doing these things for a long time now, right? My old Mazdaspeed 3 had direct injection, a turbo, 1700psi+ fuel pressure under boost, and at 100k everything was perfect. Fantastic throttle response, great MPG, and it was fast & reliable. Anyone driving a RAM is a hypocrite if they are afraid of new tech advances - you'd still be driving a pushrod, carb'd, non-OBD truck if you were really about "simple is better"

theviking · Oct 13, 2017

Anyone driving a RAM is a hypocrite if they are afraid of new tech advances - you'd still be driving a pushrod, carb'd, non-OBD truck if you were really about "simple is better"

But we (here) are all still driving around in pushrod trucks. JSIA...

Wildfyre116 · Oct 13, 2017

theviking said:
But we (here) are all still driving around in pushrod trucks. JSIA...

Yes, maybe that part was redundant, but the rest still stands. How about the fact our 4th gens have IRS, which is a more complicated setup than leaf springs? Point is, technology and/or complexity isn't automatically bad. Preferring older tech is one thing; trying to argue it's better is something else entirely.

EDIT: Meant to say "5-link" rear suspension instead of IRS. My bad.

theviking · Oct 13, 2017

Wildfyre116 said:
Yes, maybe that part was redundant, but the rest still stands. How about the fact our 4th gens have IRS, which is a more complicated setup than leaf springs?

No, it's still a solid rear axle. Same as every other full size mainstream truck on the market still uses and has since the dawn of time. It's now just a 5-link coil rear suspension.

SHOOT2KILL · Oct 13, 2017

theviking said:
No, it's still a sold rear axle. Same as every other full size mainstream truck on the market still uses and has since the dawn of time. It's now just a 5-link coil rear suspension.

YEP...And it's the ****test riding HD truck ive owned so far...JMO...

theviking · Oct 13, 2017

IMHO, the valid argument/discussion here is the sound and reliability of a highly boosted V6 vs the V8. None of the Ford Ecoboost motors sound good, and with an aftermarket exhaust they usually sound horrible. Many 'truck guys', myself included, don't want a truck that doesn't sound like a good old American truck. Maybe someday that will change as the older generation of owners dies off. Other potential issue is reliability and cost of ownership. Technology can overcome some of the challenges but in the end it's still a valid concern. Not an oversight that Ford still doesn't offer a single EcoBoost motor in their HD trucks.

JPT · Oct 13, 2017

A few things:

1) I have an Audi A4 Turbo, it is awesome, reliable and with a $500 chip I was able to get 50 extra HP ($/HP is hard to beat with an Naturally Aspirated engine).

2) Direct Injected engines, they do have carbon build up, that every 20k-30k miles should be addressed (not with additives, but with head removal or walnut cleaning.

I'm a big fan of turbo engines, and if you are chasing exhaust sounds, turbo engines can run straight pipes with increased performance (there is no need for back pressure). More HP with less engine size and weight and better fuel economy? Yes please. But it would be nice if they continue to sell the Hemi as an option (whenever that day comes).

adrianp89 · Oct 13, 2017

We just need a smaller hemi that is turbo. That will keep everyone happy.

bigbadram1500 · Oct 13, 2017

Cleaned up. Keep this thread on topic or it will be closed.

SHOOT2KILL · Oct 13, 2017

JPT said:
A few things:

1) I have an Audi A4 Turbo, it is awesome, reliable and with a $500 chip I was able to get 50 extra HP ($/HP is hard to beat with an Naturally Aspirated engine).

2) Direct Injected engines, they do have carbon build up, that every 20k-30k miles should be addressed (not with additives, but with head removal or walnut cleaning.

I'm a big fan of turbo engines, and if you are chasing exhaust sounds, turbo engines can run straight pipes with increased performance (there is no need for back pressure). More HP with less engine size and weight and better fuel economy? Yes please. But it would be nice if they continue to sell the Hemi as an option (whenever that day comes).

X2 on the more HP with smaller engines...Case in point...A guy I used to race against just claimed the WORLD RECORD for HP from a 4-stroke snowmobile engine...1077cc Turbo...2 cylinder SUZUKI motor pulled 721 hp @ the DynoTech Research dyno in N.Y. recently... :happy107:

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