16 Laramie... oil catch can..

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Have a 16 Laramie 1500 4wd with k&n CAI... Will a catch can fit and what brand is the best or just a universal off eBay? Thanks

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I'd recommend getting the Billet can from Moe's here. It looks like its $5 more expensive then the Custom Billet Store, but Moe's has free shipping, whereas the Custom Billet Store wanted to charge me $12-$13 for shipping.
 

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Talk to Matt at Moe's Performance. He can hook you up with everything you need.
 

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This WILL fit with your CAI--absolutely no interference once installed, but you will probably have to disconnect the intake from the Throttle Body and pull the engine cover to reach your work space and for access.

The Billet Tech can comes with a z bracket and threaded fastener that bolts to an unused hole on the front of the engine block. The hoses replace a pre-formed hard plastic line from the PCV to the throttle body. You cut the hoses to length so there is enough free play to get around any obstructions.

You can make your own or buy other products and maybe save a couple Lincoln's, but for all in one ease, I'd go with the BT Can: and I got mine from Moe's.
 
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How often do you empty it?

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Ive empty mines every 1000 miles , and its incredible how much oil is there in only 1000 miles ..
 

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Ive empty mines every 1000 miles , and its incredible how much oil is there in only 1000 miles ..

I did my first empty at my first oil change (3,500 miles) and was floored at how much oil was in there.
 

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I empty every 3,000 miles or after a long road trip.
What always strikes me is how much nasty stuff is in the captured oil. It smells like fuel and has milky/watery residue at the bottom of the catch can. Absolutely don't want that sucked back in through TB, intake manifold, across hot intake valves and into the combustion chamber.
 

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Where do you empty it and what is the purpose?
Purpose of your Stock PCV System:

The PCV (Positive Crankcase Ventilation) system is designed to regulate and remove fumes from the engine crankcase, and to alleviate crankcase pressure which could cause oil leaks or seal damage. It’s a way for gases to escape in a controlled manner from the crankcase of an internal combustion engine.
During normal operation of an internal combustion engine, there’s a compressed air and fuel mixture inside the combustion chamber that is ignited and as a result, forces the piston down. A small amount of that ignited mixture leaks past the piston rings and ends up in the crankcase. This leakage is often referred to as “blow-by” (leakage past the piston rings), as well as oil mist.
Some of the oil mist and other products settle along the engine intake and over time form a “gunk.” The oil catch can collects the oil mist and condenses the fuel vapors while allowing “cleaner” gases to be passed back into the intake. Typically the blow-by gasses are passed through a wire mesh, which give the vapor droplets something to adhere to. Since the oil catch cans condense the vapor portion of the gasses, they will need to be drained periodically of all the oil, fuel and other contaminants.
In addition to the air/fuel mixture and oil mist, there’s also the possibility of condensation, or water droplets. Condensation is more susceptible in humid climates, but it can exist anywhere there is fluctuation in temperatures in a hot to cold environment.
If these contaminates are kept inside the combustion chamber, they will eventually make their way into the oil inside the crankcase and cause oil contamination and dilution or make their way back into the intake manifold.
This problem has been around forever. In the past, engines were equipped with breathers that would allow the crankcase to “breath”. The addition of these breathers resulted in moderate engine life improvement. However, it was not until the engine’s crankcase was fitted with a vent or evacuation tube that major improvements were experienced.

A PCV (Positive Crankcase Ventilation) system exists to help counter this problem and expel the gases out of the crankcase and back into the intake manifold. Because the intake manifold is at a lower pressure than the crankcase, suction is created keeping the PCV system going. On engines equipped with a turbocharger, a check valve is sometimes used to prevent pressurizing the crankcase during boost.

First there was nothing more than plain breathers to allow excess crankcase pressure to be released or vented. But the damage from not “flushing” all the gasses out resulted in very short engine life (of course the oils of that day were nothing like the protection today’s synthetics provide) so the next change added a vent tube, or evacuation tube that ran from the top of the crankcase to low on the car where the air streaming past would create a suction, or vacuum that would pull the vapors out and vent them directly into the air with a breather (barely filtered with a wire mesh type media that was oiled to catch dust & dirt) allowing the “fresh” makeup air in to complete the flushing process. Now this resulted in greatly increased engine life, but as the motors got worn oil would start to drip out the tube and drip onto the roadways, then the rain would wash it into the ditches, where it would enter the ground water (you know the rest of the EPA story) and the gasses just vented to the air.

As the EPA and the powers that be mandated stricter emission laws the system was refined more and more ultimately evolving into what we have today. A completely sealed system that uses the vacuum provided by the intake manifold to draw these vapors out, and the filtered fresh makeup air is drawn from the main air intake system and filtered by the main air filter. This results in very clean emissions, but the unintended issues are the detonation or “knock” that occurs when oil is introduced into the combustion chamber that the knock sensors pick up (before we can hear it) and pull timing to protect the engine from damage, and thus reduced power. Another result is the carbon buildup on the valves & piston tops (any techs reading this can surely verify the amount) also resulting in decreased performance and less power made.

The purpose of a proper oil separating catch can is to route these gasses through a baffle system that provides the most contact possible with the outer surface resulting in the oil being trapped and removed from the other gasses that do continue on through the intake and are burnt and consumed. It does NOTHING else in ANY way to the engine oil itself….it can’t.

Not all Catch Cans are created equally! Often imitated, never duplicated. Most Catch Cans on the market are just comprised of an empty container with 2 ports. While that simple design may trap a few oil droplets, a well-engineered Catch Can is designed to condense the oil vapor and trap the oil inside the container. CatchCan

A test proven design incorporates a stainless steel mesh and screening mechanism that acts like a maze to collect and condense the oil vapor. Once the oil vapors condense into liquid droplets, it falls to the bottom of the can. In addition, the top assembly is specially designed to keep any liquid from climbing out the exit hole during aggressive driving conditions. You will be amazed by how much oil a well designed and engineered Catch Can will catch! Don’t settle for an empty can without any internal baffles and collection systems. The lack of an effective baffle system allow oil to be pulled directly through the intake manifold.

In comparison, the “O-Reilly” or “Autozone” oil separator, it will, and does catch a small amount of the oil but the majority still gets past into the intake.

Why don’t the auto manufacturers incorporate something similar? Cost and the added maintenance was deemed something that would NOT be accepted by the general market (even though it is as simple as draining the can at each oil change).

Bottom line is this: The OEM system does a great job of meeting emission standards and removing the harmful contaminants, but the unintended consequences are the oil that is drawn into the intake charge. For an engine to produce the maximum amount of energy per explosion (of the A/F in the combustion chamber) you want air & fuel only….any amount of oil in this mix will hamper the explosion resulting in less energy released, detonation, and carbon buildup. Trapping and removing this oil before it gets into the combustion chamber is the ONLY solution to maintaining the maximum efficiency and prevent excess carbon buildup. A correctly designed and installed Oil Catch Can solves this problem.

This shows how much oil can be caught between oil changes. Don’t let this oil make its way back into your Intake Manifold.
 
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