2016 Ram 5.7 Ported TB

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So I think this is the next logical step in my upgrades. I see there are a few manufactures for this. Fastman, Moe's, and a couple others. I am mainly considering Moe's and Fastman. Any thoughts. Also 85mm or 87mm? Anyone have experience with either of these?
 
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Anyone Bueller, Bueller anyone? lol
 

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I have an 87mm moes, when I got it I only had a vararam and an exhaust, but it definitely gave my low end a lot more punch. I was impressed with its performance. Now with all my mods it fits in very nicely. I would recommend it for sure.
 

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I choose a Moe's 87 mm, I also have a Vararam.
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Why did you guys go with the 87? There is a thread on one of the challenger sites explaining that the 5.7 doesn't move enough air to utilize anything bigger than the stock. The recommended mod was just the fastman "clean up" of the stock TB.
 
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I was wondering this also. This is what I found. Please give me your thoughts on this.

Calculate Throttle Body Size Based on Cubic Inches
Cubic Inches:
345
Best Power Rpm:
5800
This is the rpm at which you want your engine to produce the most horsepower.
Calculate
Throttle_body_2

= 76.2572



76.2572 millimeters (3.0023 inches) is the best size for a street going car. It will provide the best power throughout the rpm range.

76.2572 * 1.15 = 87.69578 millimeters (3.452645 inches) is better for racing. 87.69578 is 15% bigger than the street going version and will provide more horsepower at higher rpm ranges. The drawback is it may cause poor idle and/or make it necessary to increase the idle rpm to make the engine idle smoothly. That, along with less power at lower rpms, is the reason most people do not drive cars with racing engines on the street.
 

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Our throttle body has a tapered port that follows the angle of the blade at WOT. This allows us to keep perfect driveability at idle and part throttle while still seeing gains at WOT. I'm not going to say 1 unit is better than the other, but I think the track numbers we have put up with this unit show that it works as advertised. Most trucks are dropping right at .1 in the 1/4 mile with our 87mm throttle body.
 

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Why did you guys go with the 87? There is a thread on one of the challenger sites explaining that the 5.7 doesn't move enough air to utilize anything bigger than the stock 84mm. The recommended mod was just the fastman "clean up" of the stock TB.

They both worth. Stock is 81mm but 80mm at the butterfly. A fastman 84mm is too big for a bolt on truck. The 81mm fastman is the one you should be looking at. It comes with a oversized butterfly plate and shaved halfshaft.
 

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I am not sure of the exact math, I am trying to find the thread but I am coming up empty. I think if the TB made much of a difference it would be most pronounced on the 6.4 Hemi as they also use the same 80mm the 5.7 does, yet there is quite a bit of speculation/debate regarding any benefits there as well from what I have read.

sicmadek,
Sorry, I put in the wrong size. Your saying what I meant to say lol.
 

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Found it.

Throttle Body Size Study

- Throttle Body Size Calculator - the calculated science behind the table below.

Throttle Body Selection Chart
-----------80mm ----------85mm ---------90mm
---------0.8-1.2"/Hg ----0.8-1.2"/Hg ----0.8-1.2"/Hg
345_____5190-6360_____5920-7250_____6700-8200
370_____4840-5930_____5520-6760_____6250-7650
392_____4570-5590_____5210-6380_____5900-7220
426_____4200-5150_____4790-5870_____5420-6640
440_____4070-4980_____4640-5680_____5250-6430
N/A hp____360-500_______440-580_______510-660

"Using the chart is simple. If peak power is higher than the rpm in the 1.2"/Hg column, or peak torque is higher than the rpm in the 0.8"￾/Hg column, then you should really consider an upgrade. If peak power is higher than the rpm in the 0.8"￾/Hg column, or your shift point is higher than the rpm in the 1.2"/Hg, an upgrade can be of benefit in "max-effort"￾ application, but isn't absolutely necessary. I even included accompanying power outputs, so you can also make a selection based off of expected N/A power."

5.7l (345 cu/in displacement). Peak horsepower comes at 5,800 rpm and peak torque comes at 4,200 rpm. 4200 < 5190 (torque) and 5800 < 6360 (horsepower) so you should keep the stock 80mm throttle body. In a max effort application (e.g. at wide open throttle), 5800 > 5190 horsepower, but the shift point 5800 < 6360. You could upgrade but it's not necessary. Even so, to ensure airflow smoothness, the max you can go with the stock composite manifold is 85mm and you should not exceed 85mm.

6.1l (370 cu/in displacement). Peak horsepower comes at 6,200 rpm and peak torque comes at 4,800 rpm. 4800 < 4840 (torque) and 6200 > 5930 (horsepower) so you should consider an upgrade to an 85mm. If you decide to go higher, again, 4800 < 5520 and 6200 < 6720, so there really is no need for larger than 85mm. In a maximum effort application, 6200 > 5520 so you could go between 85-90mm throttle body but its not necessary. The stock 6.1L manifold port matches the stock throttle body at 80mm. If you decide to get a larger throttle body, what you should also consider is port matching your intake. Since the 6.1l has an aluminum manifold, you can get this done fairly easily. If you don't want to port match, you can go along the route of the Fastman 84mm throttle body or the Ported Modern Muscle 85mm throttle body.

6.4l (392 cu/in displacement). Peak horsepower comes at 6,000 rpm and peak torque comes at 4,200 rpm. 4200 < 4570 (torque) and 6,000 > 5590 (horsepower) so you should consider an upgrade to an 85mm. If you decide to go higher, again, 4200 < 5210 and 6200 < 6380, so there really is no need for larger than 85mm. In a maximum effort application 6000 > 5520 so you could go between 85-90mm but it isn't necessary. As the same with the composite manifold, you should measure to see what the actual interior diameter size is and port match the throttle body to ensure airflow smoothness.
 

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Just to be clear, the Moe's 87mm is not a true 87mm , so as that chart is correct in referring to true bore throttle bodies, this tb is still 80mm at the butterfly, but it is honed(tapered) to 87mm to increase velocity instead of being staggered like stock. I'm am not sure about the fastman. I for one had a very nice increase in throttle response and no issues with idling or cold starts. I would NOT go back to stock after having this! Hope this clears things up for some of you.
 
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Ok I guess I need some things cleared up. My throttle body is an 81mm stock TB. So the one Moe's sells is an 80mm at the butterfly. Smaller than my stock, or are you talking about his TB for pre 2013 Hemi's? Also if it is a 251 casting that that he sells which is 81mm are you saying it is still an 81mm at butterfly and just tapered to 87mm towards the inlet of the TB?
 

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Ok I guess I need some things cleared up. My throttle body is an 81mm stock TB. So the one Moe's sells is an 80mm at the butterfly. Smaller than my stock, or are you talking about his TB for pre 2013 Hemi's? Also if it is a 251 casting that that he sells which is 81mm are you saying it is still an 81mm at butterfly and just tapered to 87mm towards the inlet of the TB?

Stock is 80mm not 81!!!
 
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Why does fastman list the 53034251AB as an 81mm?
 

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Why does fastman list the 53034251AB as an 81mm?

he doesnt, he states that the standard bore goes from 84mm to 81. stock is 80
 

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All I know is my truck has no issues with Moes TB except it's quicker lol
 
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