Abusive RPM range?

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RagingCrayon

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This might seem like a odd question but on the 5.7 what is the highest rpm range you can do daily driving and it not be considered abuse? Ive had diesels for my last 3 trucks that redline at 3200 rpm so I consider anything over 2500 rpm pretty high. Now this hemi is a different animal and im sure if I kept to my diesel ways I wouldnt even be near its powerband.
 

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I'd like to know too what is the redline, and what is a safe rpm to be at with this hemi
 

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The great thing about your mom is it's designed to rev up to 7200 with the valve train it has but the thing that's holding your mom back is the transmission, the PCM only allows your mom to rev to 5800 before forcing a shift change before it hits 6200 or it will put it into limp mode. If you ever have the misfortune of reving your mom to 6200 your tranny will go limp, and nobody likes a limp tranny, especially your mom.
 

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The drag racers who were running the 6 speed were able to regularly rev to 6800 and a few would push it to over 7000rpm. The LX cars could push 7200 but keeping the 5.7L below 7000 is highly recommended with most shifting around 6500 if they're pushing it hard. Street driving should keep it below 6000 for shifts and over that you should be running a rocker tower brace to keep proper geometry at high rpm.
 

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Look at the OP's engine list on the left and you'll understand. There's always someone who can be more juvenile that you, I'm typically that guy.

You must be really bored at work,lol
 

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6300 is safe on stock valve springs
Anything over that is flirting with danger
 

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So since the trans won't let it go past 5800 without upshifting then we really don't have anything to worry about right?
 

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So since the trans won't let it go past 5800 without upshifting then we really don't have anything to worry about right?



The new HPTuners software should now allow the 8 speed to shift higher so it is now a concern with 8 speed equipped trucks that are being tuned. The 5/6 speed guys have had to deal with this for a while.


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Yeah I meant a stock truck. I don't ever even go past 5000. I am interested in a tuner sometime soon maybe
 

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The drag racers who were running the 6 speed were able to regularly rev to 6800 and a few would push it to over 7000rpm. The LX cars could push 7200 but keeping the 5.7L below 7000 is highly recommended with most shifting around 6500 if they're pushing it hard. Street driving should keep it below 6000 for shifts and over that you should be running a rocker tower brace to keep proper geometry at high rpm.

Actually with the Nag1 If you have a Diablo tuner and an MTCM ( mopar transmission control module) You can rev to 6767 (not a typo) in autostick and the rev limiter will kick in, and shut off a couple cylinders. With the 5.7 , if you forget to press ESP, after a couple bumps the transmission will go to neutral and the engine will return to idle, until you stop and shut the car off, restart. Id you press ESP ..what a burnout!
You must also set the rev limit to +600 in gear.( 2006-2010?) 2011 and up ..well I think they are still working on it.

Should you purchase an PTCM ( Paramount performance TCM) or other equal product you can go as high as you set it at. a forged motor might go 7700 with a built Nag1 .

However for a stock bottom end 6767 is plenty high enough for playing, and not useful at all for racing as your not making any usable power revving that high.

Now in D, with the raised shift points and rev limiter set ABOVE that point by 200 min RPM, (other wise see above under forgetting to press ESP) shifts can be set at varying points depending on the year. My 08 has stock, raised? ( whatever that is) 6k and 6400 Other years have 6k, 6200, 6400 etc.

The reason the rev limiter must be set 200 above the shift point is that the command to shift and the shift do not occur at the same time, in my datalog I have seen shifts as high as 6450 from 2-3.
1-2 always occurs at 6k,- 6150, I believe this is to allow for the fact that the revs are coming up so fast. If the shift does not happen before the rev limit is reached the PCM will slow the engine down and well, so much for that pass...Forgot to press ESP....oh your done until you stop and restart.

Unfortunately I in advertently tested this out on my RAM( pressing the cruise control does not initiate an upshift, who knew? ) stupid buttons. the I also forgot to press ESP: hit the rev limiter about 4x and then bang the tranny shut down , then went to third, but wouldn't rev over 2500 and the EVIC said was a jerk etc. until I stopped and cycled both the shifter knob and the key. the key was stuck , the shifter didn't engage. pretty scarry for a min. I calmed down and got in park, then shut it off. same Code as for my charger, tranny senses engine overspeed, your a ******* etc.

The best set point for shifts is 500 RPM past peak HP. Most of the 5.7s have nice flat 1000 RPM or so band of peak HP, usually between 5 and 6k, so choosing a good shift point isn't to hard.

I have an insane stock bottom end N/A build in my Charger and shift at 6400, which happens to be 500 rpm past peak HP.
 
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So since the trans won't let it go past 5800 without upshifting then we really don't have anything to worry about right?

Press ESP and use the buttons and you'll see. Just make sure you have your thumb or finger on the upshift button.
I think stock was about 6k

If you have a custom tune, like Hemifever its most likely set around 6200-6400.
 

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I have the column shifter 6 speed, I don't trust those buttons, half the time it doesn't register my presses. I'm not gonna push it. I would actually like to get a tuner and adjust shift points and set the record limiter to around 5000 rpm.
 

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And just because it can rev to 7200 doesn't mean it would benefit. You need to see tuned dyno graphs as to where the power band does off and no point in taking past that.
 

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I have shifted my 2011 at 7000-7100 for a couple years now without a problem. I do have a bigger cam with a higher powerband and upgraded valvesprings, but I was still revving my truck with the stock cam to 6600-6700rpm without a issue as well. The stock cam quits making power around 5800, but the higher shift point meant a higher recovery rpm, which then translates into faster 1/4 mile times.
 
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