Anyone using 5w30???

Grown in Tx. · Nov 4, 2015

The VW dealership i bought my '14 express from used 5w30 when they changed the oil, i have had no codes, oil pressure is 55 @ 60mph and 47@ idle.

SyN · Nov 4, 2015

Let me say this one thing. I myself am not a big fan of oil additives or engine treatments as they call them.
After talking to Steve and many other owners via the net on this additive. I will not recommend adding it to a car or pick up that sits for long periods of time... I would only add it to a daily driver. Due to the fact that this product has shown overtime to fall out of suspension.

I will not be adding it to every oil change. Probably every other oil change. Also I did not add the exact proper dosage per my 7 quart oil sump. I added less.
I will not recommend this product to any owners. I did my own research and plenty of hours looking in to what exactly is in this product. I do believe it has many benefits. If added in moderation! I do believe in this case less is more....

Limeybastard · Nov 4, 2015

I'm gonna throw my take why they recommend 20w , its based on gas consumption. Just my opinion.

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SyN · Nov 4, 2015

Limey:
There is No other reason other then {Cafe}!! Same goes for the New 16Wt that will be on the shelves soon!!

Coming to a store near you--->http://www.ravenol.de/fileadmin/content/documents/pdfs/Ravenol_EFE_SAE_0W-16__en.pdf

Limeybastard · Nov 4, 2015

SyN said:
Limeybastard said:

I'm gonna throw my take why they recommend 20w , its based on gas consumption. Just my opinion.

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No other reason {Cafe}!! Same goes for the New 16Wt that will be on the shelves soon!

Click to expand...

Well I ballsed out and today just got Pennzoil 20W to do my first oil change. It was also on special offer 22.59 for a 5quart at Walmart. Next time I'll do 30W.

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hemihustlin · Nov 4, 2015

Limeybastard said:
Well I ballsed out and today just got Pennzoil 20W to do my first oil change. It was also on special offer 22.59 for a 5quart at Walmart. Next time I'll do 30W.

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Lol you felt that evil knife of guilt twist inside you when you reached for the 5w30 :roflsquared:

Dont worry, once you do it you will wonder why you were every worried

Limeybastard · Nov 4, 2015

hemihustlin said:
Lol you felt that evil knife of guilt twist inside you when you reached for the 5w30

Dont worry, once you do it you will wonder why you were every worried

Yeah, you're so damn spot on. LOL

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Jmhm17 · Nov 5, 2015

R.L.K. said:
@ Jmhm17 .

I edited my post #29 above to include an apology to you Sir for me being an Ass ....

Im just now getting back to reading all the posts.

its ok RLK its expected, I mean this is the internet.. ethuging is what its all about, im a douche hat too in a lot of my responses, its what keeps the internet free and exciting. I know if it were in real life we would be having this conversation over some cold ones - no harm no foul :favorites13:

- i mean we are men here.. I do give respect to your follow up tho

Burla · Nov 5, 2015

For you guys who haven't read it yet, here ya go.

Motor Oils - Fuel Economy vs. Wear

Machinelube.com's recommendation for best oil.

The best protection against wear is probably a product that is a little thicker (such as SAE 10W-30 or 15W-40) and has more antiwear additives than the oils that support the warranty.

stricnine · Nov 5, 2015

I run 20W as the manual calls for it. Trying to keep that warranty intact. I do what I'm told, I put the lotion on the skin. :naughty:

Burla · Nov 5, 2015

There was also a test done where a guy tested a bunch of oils for film strength, it is out on the internet for guys who want to look it up. It isn't a perfect test, but generally all of the 30 weight owned the top of the list. I will post the results just as some added info for guys interested. Most interesting, Penzoil Ultra came out on top. This was one guys findings on film strength testing a bunch of oils. Anything over 90,000 psi is great oil, but more interesting are oils that are way under that.

1. 5W30 Pennzoil Ultra, API SM = 115,612 psi
(No API SN available for this test)

2. 10W30 Lucas Racing Only = 106,505 psi

3. *** 5W30 Mobil 1, API SN = 105,875 psi

4. 0W30 Amsoil Signature Series 25,000 miles, API SN = 105,008 psi

5. 10W30 Valvoline NSL (Not Street Legal) Conventional Racing Oil = 103,846 psi

6. 5W50 Motorcraft, API SN = 103,517 psi

7. 10W30 Valvoline VR1 Conventional Racing Oil (silver bottle) = 103,505 psi

8. 10W30 Valvoline VR1 Synthetic Racing Oil, API SL (black bottle) = 101,139 psi

9. 5W30 Chevron Supreme conventional, API SN = 100,011 psi

10. 5W20 Castrol Edge with Titanium, API SN = 99,983 psi

11. 20W50 Castrol GTX conventional, API SN = 96,514 psi

12. 30 wt Red Line Race Oil = 96,470 psi

13. 0W20 Mobil 1 Advanced Fuel Economy, API SN = 96,364 psi

14. 5W30 Quaker State Ultimate Durability, API SN = 95,920 psi

15. 5W30 Castrol Edge with Titanium, API SN = 95,717 psi

16. 10W30 Joe Gibbs XP3 Racing Oil = 95,543 psi

17. 5W20 Castrol GTX conventional, API SN = 95,543 psi

18. 5W30 Castrol GTX conventional, API SN = 95,392 psi

19. 10W30 Amsoil Z-Rod Oil = 95,360 psi

20. 5W30 Valvoline SynPower, API SN = 94,942 psi

Under 70k PSI oils

45. 5W30 Motorcraft, API SN = 68,782 psi
zinc = 796 ppm
phos = 830 ppm
moly = 75 ppm

46. 10W30 Royal Purple HPS (High Performance Street) = 66,211 psi
zinc = 1774 ppm
phos = 1347 ppm
moly = 189 ppm

47. 10W40 Valvoline 4 Stroke Motorcycle Oil conventional, API SJ = 65,553 psi
zinc = 1154 ppm
phos = 1075 ppm
moly = 0 ppm

48. Royal Purple 10W30 Break-In Oil conventional = 62,931 psi
zinc = 1170 ppm
phos = 1039 ppm
moly = 0 ppm

RAM_Designs · Nov 5, 2015

stricnine said:
I run 20W as the manual calls for it. Trying to keep that warranty intact. I do what I'm told, I put the lotion on the skin.

The manual says you can use 5w30.

RodRam · Nov 5, 2015

RAM_Designs said:
The manual says you can use 5w30.

/not exactly, it says 5-20 it says if not available 5-30 so its a option but not what the recommend. Same as octane 89 but 87 if not available

Limeybastard · Nov 5, 2015

Burla said:
There was also a test done where a guy tested a bunch of oils for film strength, it is out on the internet for guys who want to look it up. It isn't a perfect test, but generally all of the 30 weight owned the top of the list. I will post the results just as some added info for guys interested. Most interesting, Penzoil Ultra came out on top. This was one guys findings on film strength testing a bunch of oils. Anything over 90,000 psi is great oil, but more interesting are oils that are way under that.

1. 5W30 Pennzoil Ultra, API SM = 115,612 psi
(No API SN available for this test)

2. 10W30 Lucas Racing Only = 106,505 psi

3. *** 5W30 Mobil 1, API SN = 105,875 psi

4. 0W30 Amsoil Signature Series 25,000 miles, API SN = 105,008 psi

5. 10W30 Valvoline NSL (Not Street Legal) Conventional Racing Oil = 103,846 psi

6. 5W50 Motorcraft, API SN = 103,517 psi

7. 10W30 Valvoline VR1 Conventional Racing Oil (silver bottle) = 103,505 psi

8. 10W30 Valvoline VR1 Synthetic Racing Oil, API SL (black bottle) = 101,139 psi

9. 5W30 Chevron Supreme conventional, API SN = 100,011 psi

10. 5W20 Castrol Edge with Titanium, API SN = 99,983 psi

11. 20W50 Castrol GTX conventional, API SN = 96,514 psi

12. 30 wt Red Line Race Oil = 96,470 psi

13. 0W20 Mobil 1 Advanced Fuel Economy, API SN = 96,364 psi

14. 5W30 Quaker State Ultimate Durability, API SN = 95,920 psi

15. 5W30 Castrol Edge with Titanium, API SN = 95,717 psi

16. 10W30 Joe Gibbs XP3 Racing Oil = 95,543 psi

17. 5W20 Castrol GTX conventional, API SN = 95,543 psi

18. 5W30 Castrol GTX conventional, API SN = 95,392 psi

19. 10W30 Amsoil Z-Rod Oil = 95,360 psi

20. 5W30 Valvoline SynPower, API SN = 94,942 psi

Under 70k PSI oils

45. 5W30 Motorcraft, API SN = 68,782 psi
zinc = 796 ppm
phos = 830 ppm
moly = 75 ppm

46. 10W30 Royal Purple HPS (High Performance Street) = 66,211 psi
zinc = 1774 ppm
phos = 1347 ppm
moly = 189 ppm

47. 10W40 Valvoline 4 Stroke Motorcycle Oil conventional, API SJ = 65,553 psi
zinc = 1154 ppm
phos = 1075 ppm
moly = 0 ppm

48. Royal Purple 10W30 Break-In Oil conventional = 62,931 psi
zinc = 1170 ppm
phos = 1039 ppm
moly = 0 ppm

Yeah nice post, but it shows the 30w penzoil rating no 20w data? I hazard a guess it will be a little lower.

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Burla · Nov 5, 2015

Read the test link, it was 32 on the list.

RodRam · Nov 5, 2015

There is so much oil mumbo jumbo out there no way to know if any tests have real validity. Ive also read the reason Chrysler says to use 5-20 is the tight tolerances used in the motors, 20 flows faster and quicker to tight places, the mds is the other reason, there are people who have had codes tripped using heavier oil. I just don't see a valid reason to go heavier and many to not to. But its interesting so you guys keep trying maybe a good reason will come to light.

SyN · Nov 5, 2015

Rod: can you please bless us with the actual place you read that from?

I know the Nissan GTR 3.8L Twin Turbo engine has some of the {Tightest Clearances Known} within this awesome motor... and this Giant Killer of an engine is at least 6X more complex then the Chrysler 5.7L Hemi... This Motor is spec for 0W-40 Synthetic M1... Many owners are running 10W-60 in this Same motor with these super tight clearance with NO Issues...

I honestly have a very hard time believing tighter engine clearances require a thinner oil... None of the hand built engines within the exotic super cars{Whom All have some of The Tightest Engine Tolerances in the world} require a 20Wt or thinner oil... I have only seen a couple 30Wt most are 40Wt/50Wt recommended...

Notice real close----->Recommended NOT Required! Very Big Difference!

I am only curious where You acquired that info {Of Actual Data}and share it with others within this forum..

Nutshell · Nov 5, 2015

Burla, is Pennzoil Ultra available anymore? Or is it just Ultra Platinum?

Also, swapped the Amsoil filter with Fram Ultra. Hasn't ticked yet. Fingers crossed.

Hemi395 · Nov 5, 2015

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the 5.7 that's in the 2500s the same block as the 5.7 with MDS in the 1500s?

If that's the case, aren't the only differences the MDS system and cam phasers? If I'm right about that, why does the 2500 5.7 specify 5w30 while the the 1500 5.7 specifies 5w20? Guys like Syn, R.L.K, and a few others have said their trucks run fine on 30.

The biggest difference between the 1500s and the 2500s that sticks out to me is this: 1500s are rated by the EPA for fuel economy while the 2500s aren't.

R.L.K. · Nov 5, 2015

All I know is : 750 miles ago I drained the bulk , black as hell , thinner than water junk from my dealers FREE OIL CHANGE out of my engine and installed a Royal Purple 10-48 filter along wit Redline 5W - 30 oil and my 5.7 L HEMI has never been more quite in the last 28,000 miles !

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