Bare 409 Headers vs Coated

DailyRam · Jul 7, 2017

I'm looking at some LT Headers for my 2014 Ram, and the question i have is about the coating. For the JBA 1-3/4" bare 409's what is the benefit of the coating? This is not going to be a show truck and i don't need them to stay bright and shiny.
Are there other benefits from having them coated that i'm missing?
Trying to justify if i need to spend the additional green. Also, do these bolt right up to the stock Y-Pipe?
Thanks guys.

Trapinator · Jul 7, 2017

DailyRam said:
I'm looking at some LT Headers for my 2014 Ram, and the question i have is about the coating. For the JBA 1-3/4" bare 409's what is the benefit of the coating? This is not going to be a show truck and i don't need them to stay bright and shiny.
Are there other benefits from having them coated that i'm missing?
Trying to justify if i need to spend the additional green. Also, do these bolt right up to the stock Y-Pipe?
Thanks guys.

They won't fit to the stock y pipe. You would need to get one or have one custom made. As far as the coating I would say it just keeps heat down slightly.

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DailyRam · Jul 7, 2017

So with the JBA Y-pipe, then it would become a straight bolt on operation?

Booms · Jul 7, 2017

And it looks a ton better.....

DailyRam · Jul 7, 2017

The looks aren't a major concern. I'm not going to be popping the hood to show off headers.
If the extra $ is needed to get the coated ones, i can swing it, but if it's just a superficial thing then i'm more than happy to put that money into something else.

stoviAZ · Jul 7, 2017

Go bare. Besides the protection from corrosion.. Ceramic retain heat in exhaust system which supposedly helps the gases exit quicker (or so ive read) but I run no cats and zoomers full exhaust. No issues with gasses getting out.

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stoviAZ · Jul 7, 2017

stoviAZ said:
Go bare. Besides the protection from corrosion.. Ceramic retain heat in exhaust system which supposedly helps the gases exit quicker (or so ive read) but I run no cats and zoomers full exhaust. No issues with gasses getting out.

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Bare LT kooks btw

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Trapinator · Jul 7, 2017

DailyRam said:
So with the JBA Y-pipe, then it would become a straight bolt on operation?

You would need to make one cut on the existing long run of exhaust pipe

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BIGMIKE27 · Jul 7, 2017

Ceramic Coated Exhaust Parts
This is a spray-on finish that’s infused with heat-insulating ceramics. It is not a DIY solution, these exhaust parts are coated at the factory, or sent to a facility with the proper equipment.
ProsProvides the biggest horsepower gains when compared to other exhaust insulation methodsReduces under-hood temperatures better than other types of exhaust insulationThe ceramic coating is applied evenly on both the inside and outside of the exhaust pipes, preventing “hot spots” that can cause metal fatigue Improves the laminar flow of your exhaust gasses Prevents rust and corrosion of the ceramic coated parts

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West27 · Jul 7, 2017

Great post and I was also wondering the same question. Let us know how those JBA fit since I heard they don't fit well and to get the ARH for a better fit.

Are you going to run the supplied gaskets and bolts or get different ones?

Trapinator · Jul 7, 2017

West27 said:
Great post and I was also wondering the same question. Let us know how those JBA fit since I heard they don't fit well and to get the ARH for a better fit.

Are you going to run the supplied gaskets and bolts or get different ones?

Mine fit perfect no issues. Also have checked multiple times no issues with the steering knuckle either

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Booms · Jul 7, 2017

My JBA 1 3/4 longtubes and catless Y are going on tomorrow, as well as a ATI Underdrive pulley, and a clutch fan delete,. I got the SRT 6.1/6.4 metal gaskets to go with it. Can't wait !

West27 · Jul 7, 2017

Booms said:
My JBA 1 3/4 longtubes and catless Y are going on tomorrow, as well as a ATI Underdrive pulley, and a clutch fan delete,. I got the SRT 6.1/6.4 metal gaskets to go with it. Can't wait !

Any reason why you got the 1 3/4 over the 1 7/8 and why SRT 6.1/6.4 gaskets over like the oem 5.7 ones?

stoviAZ · Jul 7, 2017

BIGMIKE27 said:
Ceramic Coated Exhaust Parts
This is a spray-on finish that’s infused with heat-insulating ceramics. It is not a DIY solution, these exhaust parts are coated at the factory, or sent to a facility with the proper equipment.
ProsProvides the biggest horsepower gains when compared to other exhaust insulation methodsReduces under-hood temperatures better than other types of exhaust insulationThe ceramic coating is applied evenly on both the inside and outside of the exhaust pipes, preventing “hot spots” that can cause metal fatigue Improves the laminar flow of your exhaust gasses Prevents rust and corrosion of the ceramic coated parts

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Horsepower gains for coated? Lol.. Not unless your building a high performance race car. Otherwise juice isn't worth the squeeze

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Trapinator · Jul 7, 2017

More of a longevity thing too me

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blackbetty14 · Jul 7, 2017

409 SS is like the ******* of the SS family. It doesnt fit in with SS as it rusts so its more like Mild steel, but it costs closer to 304. Personally I hate it and its a waste of metal. I would rather pay the cheaper price for mild steel and know its going to rust knowing I spent less on it vs the company who uses it to just say (Made with SS) even tho its 409 so were going to charge you more and its going to rust anyways. I would just rather a 304 or 312 header if I'm going to spend the money as it holds up much better etc.

409 is crap and dont waste your money.

As far as coating headers... I have mine coated but its mainly to keep my supercharger inlet temps lower (my inlet is right above the header (not on my ram))as it will def lower underhood temps. However its not worth the money for the very minimal if any power gains. You dont do it for power gains... you do it for radiant heat control, velocity and looks (durability). Spend your money elsewhere to get more hp per $.

Johnnymac2k6 · Jul 7, 2017

If you don't mind the orange flash rust after a few months, then it won't matter. For what its worth. My JBA's went on my 3rd gen just fine. No clearance issues. If i was paying full retail, i might spring for the coated just so they don't rust at all, and would inevitably last longer, but mine were on clearance for $200...so yeah .lol

blackbetty14 · Jul 7, 2017

true! $200 is a good deal. I would have still hit them with a $6 can of 1200*F header paint and baked them (or use a propane torch) so its alittle tougher for install. The rustoleum stuff has been pretty good for me compared to the VHT or dupicolor stuff.

Johnnymac2k6 · Jul 7, 2017

blackbetty14 said:
true! $200 is a good deal. I would have still hit them with a $6 can of 1200*F header paint and baked them (or use a propane torch) so its alittle tougher for install. The rustoleum stuff has been pretty good for me compared to the VHT or dupicolor stuff.

Yeah they had one little ding in them, and someone tossed them on the clearance rack for $200.lol still had bolts, o2 extensions and gaskets. So i snagged them!

I keep hearing that same thing about rustoleum getting better and better. Some tell me its even better than por-15 for regular chassis type painting and rust prevention.

DailyRam · Jul 7, 2017

Really good info.
the 1-3/4" are supposed to fit a lot better than the 1-7/8" from what I've read.
i hadn't thought of header paint, that's a good call.

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