Blackstone Labs has ended the "which oil is better" debate.

BossHogg · Jul 26, 2017

I just read their research, they are in a position to put together the useful data that can generate an opinion.

Bottom line, you are wasting your money on expensive oils.
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Blackstone's full research.
https://www.blackstone-labs.com/Newsletters/Gas-Diesel/July-1-2017.php

:popcorn:

BiGMERF · Jul 26, 2017

Interesting reads. Thanks

Burla · Jul 26, 2017

What makes the best uoa and what makes the best oil is often two totally different things. And since we are a Ram Forum, we should probably think in terms of best oil for our specific application. But it is certainly a small helpful piece of the entire pie of oil knowledge around here. Just do a little research when choosing an oil, your ram deserves it.

SyN · Jul 26, 2017

Yup! Very Much So----> :popcorn:

Let them take possession of a 2015-17 5.7L with a severe Lifter Tick & Tell them to Fix It with your (Best Oil Selection)!

AFMoulton · Jul 26, 2017

So I've read this a few times and this is the part that stands out the most to me:

"It’s worth noting that the data is only based solely on what owners and fleet managers have sent in to Blackstone with various drain intervals, so there are some limitations. For example, there might be a bigger difference in wear rate among brands if all of the oil samples had much higher mileage on them. Or perhaps longer oil use wouldn’t bring one brand to the forefront—we don’t really know based on the data."

To each their own. Let us know if and when you have a lifter fail. Thanks.

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MarshRam · Jul 26, 2017

They came up with a silly name brand for that recently, "fake news". I applaud the study and effort only under the assumption it's intentions were for that of the public good. IMO, from the true scientific approach, the study would be so comprehensive that nobody would fund the cost. Experience is plentiful at this point and we can share those experiences with the world with no delay. A consensus has already been established on what we agree as a majority are the best oils. :favorites13:

SyN · Jul 26, 2017

I agree: From what I have read a true Extensive UOA is not cheap!

Also oil is truly responsible for so many jobs within a motor as well as any bearing application & seal.

In my mind it would be literally an impossible task.
My only question would be Best @ Exactly What?

BossHogg · Jul 27, 2017

What I found interesting in the study was the mileage interval of oil changes reported, the average was around 4,000 miles

Murphy Slaw · Jul 27, 2017

I will bet money this debate is NOT over and the "Synthetic Oil" thread will stay on page one most of the time, and BITOG will stay online.

Just sayin'........

SyN · Jul 27, 2017

I would venture too bet: Most owners today are so miss informed about today's oils and still only believe in taking their fleets/personal OCI no further then 3K-5K miles. Nothing wrong with this though. Keeps the quick lube places in business...

To most their routine OCI is not very high on their priority list!

We are a very few & unique group.

Murph: You are probably correct...

Casper · Jul 27, 2017

This study is a data point and no more. Certainly nothing to make causal analysis from, just suggestive implications.

The interval is not close to what RAM suggests, and neither accounts for the change intervals claimed by the various synthetic oil brands nor is it close to what RF members who follow their EVIC oil change notification are experiencing. This is partially due no doubt to the high representation of fleet vehicles in the study. Privately owned vehicles tend to be driven differently than police, fire, ambulance, taxi, rental, delivery and company vehicles.

So fire up some more popcorn, the debate continues.......

BossHogg · Jul 27, 2017

I believe this entire oil debate including synthetic oils is moot anymore, except where specified by the manufacturer.

I drove my 2013 Tahoe 300,000 miles before selling it back in 2013, all I did was scheduled maintenance using what ever oil was on sale. When I sold it, it still only used about one-half of a quart between oil changes (5K to 7K miles on the oil life meter).

Casper said:
This study is a data point and no more.

It is well beyond a data point. The study includes several data points from users' oil analysis results. There is significant value in the report, the engine is more responsible for wear that the oil brand. The report also addressed the short oil change intervals.

lukedukem · Jul 27, 2017

http://www.ramforum.com/f158/digging_into_timeless_question_%93_oil_better_%94-106901/

SyN · Jul 27, 2017

I myself don't take very much out of things like this!
It is good entertainment as well as a decent conversation piece.

I will stick to what has worked amazingly well for the past 31 years.
Even though I will follow & adapt to future technology. Without being Brainwashed!!
As well as follow my own trustworthy research & most importantly common sense.

CTD · Jul 27, 2017

SyN said:
As well as follow my own trustworthy research & most importantly common sense.

Exactly, unfortunately this is something that seems to be very uncommon now of days that's for sure.

Pull Ya · Jul 27, 2017

^^^^ I think someone once said you begin to learn only after you know it all-
:naughty:

Jay

Burla · Jul 27, 2017

This was his conclusion, "While perhaps this study isn’t entirely exhaustive and conclusive, it supports my choice to use cheap Walmart brand oil..."

So he is running NONE MOLY super tech. On the off chance some Ram owner just reads this thread when he makes a choice of an oil to run in his/her ram, I suggest you read the other thread that would be literal proof running Super Tech in a ram is a bad choice.

CTD · Jul 27, 2017

Burla said:
This was his conclusion, "While perhaps this study isn’t entirely exhaustive and conclusive, it supports my choice to use cheap Walmart brand oil..."

So he is running NONE MOLY super tech. On the off chance some Ram owner just reads this thread when he makes a choice of an oil to run in his/her ram, I suggest you read the other thread that would be literal proof running Super Tech in a ram is a bad choice.

Lots of good reading in the other trend. I am about 3/4's of the way through it and have really soaked up a lot of great information. It really made me think twice about what oil and filter I use, "That's for sure.

Blackstone Labs has ended the "which oil is better" debate.

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