Cam failures and Molybdenum

Burla · Aug 28, 2017

Hemi395 said:
I give Amsoil a lot of credit for keeping their 0w oils very close to their 5w and 10w oils.

Amsoil SS deserves a lot of credit for being the second major brand (or first) that is a hearty freaking oil. I have no love for their oils other then SS. Yeah there are a couple things they have done that goes a way a little, but redline is doing it as well. But the base oils of both brands really kick ass every time I look at them. PUP was trying to be revolutionary and were successful imo marketing aside, but they clearly aren't a "hearty" oil. They have done it with a clean base and high detergency. These three companies continue to make the discussion interesting.

Burla · Aug 28, 2017

Corey is on to something, his redline 0w30 wasn't as good as their 5w30 in his tick, well maybe it is something other then moly for his specific tick.

Redline 0w30 NOACK is 9, 5w30 noack is 6, the hths also heavily favors 5w30, see the price 0w30 pays to have the larger swing in winter rating to weight? For me 5w20 actually ended my tick and that is the lowest swing from winter rating to weight, Although I know Corey's experience was not the same.

To complicate stuff further, I believe there are different types of ticks, maybe a lesser tick would be more helped with the hearty base and the ones that are absolutely banging are more helped by the additives like moly. I don't know how many people I can convince of this, but I believe that 100% at this point. I believe when the lifters are banging, the condition is ripe for moly to plate. Thus taking 500 miles to smooth it out, whereas Corey's tick ended immediately, there is no paper out there on moly that says that plate isn't dependent on heat and pressure and time.

Good news, Redline's formula has the package for both types of ticks, one that needs a nano plate or one that needs a hearty base oil.

R.L.K. · Aug 28, 2017

This is screenshots of the VOA of Redline 10W-30 posted above by SyN via bitog .
TBN = 13.9 ! Highest I've ever seen !

Also has more Molybdenum , Phosphorus, Zinc & Calcium than RL 5W-30 ....This is why my next oci will be a 50 /50 mix of RL 5W-30 & RL 10W-30 and likely will be my year round oci unless something changes .

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R.L.K. · Aug 28, 2017

Burla said:
You didn't educate the man on moly Lonnie? and rp has none?

LOL ! I wanted to badly , but I was in a hurry to get back to the beach ...the wife was drinking margaritas when I left and sometimes she gets a bit sideways on the tequila

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Burla · Aug 28, 2017

let darwin sort that dude out anyway.

R.L.K. · Aug 28, 2017

Burla said:
let darwin sort that dude out anyway.

Ha ha darwin was all over this guy !

Wish I could've gotten his 5.7L on video , it was unbelievable! By far the loudest high pitch tick / ting I've heard .

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U&A · Aug 28, 2017

We should change the name from "tick" to "hemi Fuc$i!g hammer" because the first time i heard it on video i was amazed as to how violent it sounded.

Hemi395 · Aug 28, 2017

Burla said:
Corey is on to something, his redline 0w30 wasn't as good as their 5w30 in his tick, well maybe it is something other then moly for his specific tick.

Redline 0w30 NOACK is 9, 5w30 noack is 6, the hths also heavily favors 5w30, see the price 0w30 pays to have the larger swing in winter rating to weight? For me 5w20 actually ended my tick and that is the lowest swing from winter rating to weight, Although I know Corey's experience was not the same.

To complicate stuff further, I believe there are different types of ticks, maybe a lesser tick would be more helped with the hearty base and the ones that are absolutely banging are more helped by the additives like moly. I don't know how many people I can convince of this, but I believe that 100% at this point. I believe when the lifters are banging, the condition is ripe for moly to plate. Thus taking 500 miles to smooth it out, whereas Corey's tick ended immediately, there is no paper out there on moly that says that plate isn't dependent on heat and pressure and time.

Good news, Redline's formula has the package for both types of ticks, one that needs a nano plate or one that needs a hearty base oil.

Another thing is the Redline 0w30 sheared down to 10.6 from 11.7 in 4000 miles. I'm anxious to see how much if any the 5w30 Redline shears from 11.9. With that said Redline 0w30 was the second quietest my Hemi has been since new. So if anyone lives in an extremely cold climate run RL 0w30 with confidence.

SHOOT2KILL · Aug 28, 2017

Burla said:
A lot of guys have tuned out of oil thread, but pass this info on. Search the board, many if not most of the cam fails the owner has used a non moly oil. And the science behind this phenomenon is clear o is coming n page 11. Non moly oil wears your cam TEN times 200ppm moly, and 5 times more then the average 50ppm moly. Read the science and the graph page 11 pdf. Who still wants to run a non moly oil in their engine?

My "ALTERNATIVE" viewpoint on this subject is coming to this thread SOON... :happy107:

SyN · Aug 28, 2017

So are we leaning towards Soft Metal within the Cams or $hit poor Lifter design/quality?

Or Both?

HammerHead · Aug 28, 2017

Burla said:
Corey is on to something, his redline 0w30 wasn't as good as their 5w30 in his tick, well maybe it is something other then moly for his specific tick.

Redline 0w30 NOACK is 9, 5w30 noack is 6, the hths also heavily favors 5w30, see the price 0w30 pays to have the larger swing in winter rating to weight? For me 5w20 actually ended my tick and that is the lowest swing from winter rating to weight, Although I know Corey's experience was not the same.

To complicate stuff further, I believe there are different types of ticks, maybe a lesser tick would be more helped with the hearty base and the ones that are absolutely banging are more helped by the additives like moly. I don't know how many people I can convince of this, but I believe that 100% at this point. I believe when the lifters are banging, the condition is ripe for moly to plate. Thus taking 500 miles to smooth it out, whereas Corey's tick ended immediately, there is no paper out there on moly that says that plate isn't dependent on heat and pressure and time.

Good news, Redline's formula has the package for both types of ticks, one that needs a nano plate or one that needs a hearty base oil.

I also believe there are different kinds of ticks. My lifters were never that bad but the bottom end tick is what I called mine. No doubt in my mind mine was coming from the bottom on the engine.

Hemi395 · Aug 28, 2017

There's definitely different ticks. Most associate "Hemi Tick" with startup tick. In my case it only got loud when it reached operating temp and it is partially related to viscosity.

HammerHead · Aug 28, 2017

Hemi395 said:
There's definitely different ticks. Most associate "Hemi Tick" with startup tick. In my case it only got loud when it reached operating temp

Me too 100%. Once that oil was good and hot my tick was Very Loud.

12vrunner · Aug 28, 2017

I just did my first oil change just want to know if im good with my amsoil signature series.

R.L.K. · Aug 28, 2017

12vrunner said:
I just did my first oil change just want to know if im good with my amsoil signature series.

Amsoil SS is a great oil sir & should serve you well imo.

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U&A · Aug 28, 2017

SyN said:
So are we leaning towards Soft Metal within the Cams or $hit poor Lifter design/quality?

Or Both?

I would bet both but to me it seems like the lifter is causing the cam failure in the end.

But im no mechanic. Just the kind of guy that is really good at taking things apart and then really good and sweating my balls of through some beers and whiskey trying to get it back together.

Edit: hay, im a welder, and you know how we are, we can fix anything.......

With a welder.......and a grinder....and a cut off...... :roflsquared:

i think thats it

Ramnewbie · Aug 28, 2017

You guys running Amsoil with the hot tic, were you running 5/20 or 5/30? Or is the hot tic just something that goes with Amsoil? When I was running Amsoil in my f150 it was always noisey when hot, not a tic as it was OHC, just basic noise.

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U&A · Aug 28, 2017

Ramnewbie said:
You guys running Amsoil with the hot tic, were you running 5/20 or 5/30? Or is the hot tic just something that goes with Amsoil? When I was running Amsoil in my f150 it was always noisey when hot, not a tic as it was OHC, just basic noise.

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Mine is loud when hot too. On amsoil 0w40. I still had a good uoa.

soSincerious · Aug 29, 2017

So what are the recommended oils to lessen the hemi tick?

Burla · Aug 29, 2017

Redline 5w30.

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