Installing OEM backup cam

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Well , the C1 - 33 shield is just that .. a shield to prevent any RF and electrical interference imo.

I do like your enthusiasm , and I wish you luck Sir ; however, the camera signal C1 - 31 & or camera return C1 -32 is / are tied into the BCM / PDC once shifted to reverse , I'd say the PDC , as the BCM C -5 -45 only provides the signal for the Active Gridlines imo .
With that said I'd think the PDC has the + authority when shifting into reverse through the can bus system of the 2013 + Ram Trucks .

So with your $20 camera , maybe tie the C1 -31 + 12vdc from the camera to the PDC and and to socket 31 ?? Not sure ??

Then tie the 32 return and the 33 shield in ??

I'm thinking this may damage something along the way ....

The can bus type wiring in the 13+ Ram's baffles me at times , on how one circuit talks to another. Such as when shifted to reverse how does the radio / camera signal receive that feed ?

Maybe Mpgrimm2 will chime in on this .
He is much better suited on this can bus lingo than I am .

Good luck Sir !

I'd just purchase the $250 kit and wire it accordingly if I wer you .
You've already accomplished the most dificult part of the install with the dealer flash of the XAC code imo , the rest is really quite simple if you can solder a couple splices and find the components of the install .

I suggest referring to post # 10 here and all its references that apply to your inquiry and then just simply install the OEM kit , you do come across as the type that is very capable

Good luck and stay thirsty my friend for an easier and cheeper way to accomplish this task .

Just know with the $20 camera you will not have the ACTIVE gridlines.
 
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Hi guys,
First post for me here.
Can anybody tell me what exactly the three C1 connections are on the back of the radio for the rear camera?
C31= camera signal =?
C32= camera return =?
C33= camera shield =?

Generally there are 3 connections to a camera
1= positive +video (center RCA connector)
2= Negative -video, ground (outside of RCA connector)
3= +12 volts that power the camera (usually from a reverse light for power)

so in this case is?
c31 = camera signal +12V camera power?
c32 = camera return +video?
c33 = camera shield -video?

or ???

I'm trying a slightly different route and going with a $20 backup camera. I can make my own harness if need be. I have already had the dealer turn on the backup camera option ($65 to activate this option) I have the blue screen when is reverse which tells me I just need to get video to the radio.
I hope I can make this work and give an alternative solution for you guys :happy107:
Thanks for your efforts, time and opinions :)

Jon

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Welcome Jon,

no No NO!
Do not tie power to pins 31 (Rca Center Pin), 32 (Rca Outer), or 33 (actual signal shield)!
All three are video related signals only (as listed). Realistically you will only need to tie in the video at 31 and 32.
It is possible to get the 0.64mm pins for the connector. (Tyco / Te Connectivity PN: 638551-3 )

Please see the schematic at the top of post 10 for where to pull power and ground (and the directions linked). You won't be able to pull power for an aftermarket camera directly from the taillight without throwing bulb out/current sense errors (trailer connector maybe). But you are better off running your aftermarket power/gnd all the way up to the PDC connector (C7-13) and it's fuse (F95) just like the directions for the OEM kit.
 
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I'm glad you stepped in Mike , I can install the OEM kit in my sleep but Q's like the above ,I prefer to lean on you my friend ... thanks !
 

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Awesome information guys! Thanks for the welcoming advice :favorites13: You've given me something else to think about. I was going with the thought of the stock camera having 3 wires and the aftermarket camera having 3 wire connections. I didn't take into account the CAN Bus and the digital realm possibility. I figured since the radio goes to blue screen all I have to do is get a video signal to the radio. It may be possible to get video to the radio and use the reverse light to power the camera (putting a small capacitor, 33uf from ground to the reverse light should remove enough of the AC CAN bus signal to keep anything from setting an alarm). I guess I'll look for a RAM tailgate camera to experiment with and see how to get video as a standalone unit. I do like the idea of the active parking lines :) I won't always have the tailgate on so a camera in the tailgate doesn't interest me. I want to have a camera above the license plate and in the bed. In the future I will be towing a flat bed trailer and a 5th wheel trailer and want to see both the flat bed trailer hitch and the 5th wheel trailer hitch from time to time. I have numerous projects going on at home so time will have to be split between projects and it'll be slow going from time to time. I'm also interested in a cluster upgrade as well as the 8.4 NAV radio. Presently I have a leather steering wheel with radio buttons to install :naughty:

Welcome Jon,

no No NO!
Do not tie power to pins 31 (Rca Center Pin), 32 (Rca Outer), or 33 (actual signal shield)!
All three are video related signals only (as listed). Realistically you will only need to tie in the video at 31 and 32.
It is possible to get the 0.64mm pins for the connector. (Tyco / Te Connectivity PN: 638551-3 )

Please see the schematic at the top of post 10 for where to pull power and ground (and the directions linked). You won't be able to pull power for an aftermarket camera directly from the taillight without throwing bulb out/current sense errors (trailer connector maybe). But you are better off running your aftermarket power/gnd all the way up to the PDC connector (C7-13) and it's fuse (F95) just like the directions for the OEM kit.
 

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Just a thought, is it possible to wire a switch in to force the camera to come on even when the truck isn't in reverse?
 

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Just a thought, is it possible to wire a switch in to force the camera to come on even when the truck isn't in reverse?
If it is no one has figured it out yet
 

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That would be pretty cool

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I'm thinking off pin 45 of the BCM connector? But is it 5V or 12V?
 

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I'm thinking off pin 45 of the BCM connector? But is it 5V or 12V?
That only controls the active gridlines , you can disconnect it and the video stays just no grid lines .
 

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Discarded. ..
 
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Just a thought, is it possible to wire a switch in to force the camera to come on even when the truck isn't in reverse?

Nope, but...

If you get a Lockpik Air V2 or CustomTronix RAx Jailbreak either one will enable the software ability to turn on the backup camera at will, but ...

on 13-15 trucks ... the BCM's Lin Bus CBC3 control signal (BCM C5/E-45) won't allow the camera to turn on without being in reverse (even though power is already going to the camera).

To work around it with one of the 2 mods above (or possibly a 2016+ radio), you have to remove the BCM pin 45 (Org/DB) wire which allows the camera to stay powered up whenever the truck is on (but removes the active gridlines).
CustomTronix said:
Rev cam – The rev cam will power off at 5 mph! The rev cam is controlled by a LIN-bus that we have no chance to interfere with. You can cut the LIN-bus wire but you will loose the Guide lines.

This could be remedied by placing a rocker switch across the C5/E-45 wire or even better add a Normally Open relay across pin 45 (Lin Bus CBC3) that is triggered by the reverse signal to do it automatically (ie connects Lin Bus CBC3 when in reverse).

Ponder that for a bit.

EDIT:
Figured out where to pull the Reverse Signal from near the BCM currently and sketched it out below...
- BCM C5/E Pin 23 (WT/BR wire) TRAILER TOW BACKUP LAMP RELAY CONTROL (<-- probably best option)
or maybe
- BCM C5/E Pin 1 (WT/OR wire): RIGHT BACKUP LAMP DRIVER

Note: This method should allow you to retain the Active Grid Lines while in reverse and allow the camera to output video at other times (provided the radio has the appropriate HW/SW mod to display the video input!)

Here is a link to a good Micro Relay Setup from CycleConnection.com (they also have convenient fuse holders/setups):
Motorcycle Relay Base Holder
Motorcycle Relays, Panasonic, Mitsuba

EDIT 2:
Added link/reference for this to post 10.

Lin Bus CBC3 Backup Cam Mod.jpg

CycleTerminal Micro Relay.JPG
 
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It does, except it has what appears to be the 3 wires going to the radio.

Yea, I definitely do not have those 3 wires there. If I make a mini harness from this connector to the back of the radio would it work? Any thoughts on this?
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Glad you haven't given up on this as I want to figure this out as well.

Yes, it seems very likely that is all you need, but ...

First, we need an up close picture of the 3 camera wires going into the back of sritter117's radio at pins 31,32,33 to verify the wire colors match at both ends (and get him to possibly ohm it with a meter to verify 100%) because we don't know which of the other 2 wires in his picture are the Camera Signal vs Camera Signal Return, the shield is easy to ID in the picture (bare wire).

Second, we need to identify the pin/socket part numbers for the 3 camera wires at that connector in sritter's picture (might be the same as the i315 but idk).

Then it should be easy to make the harness, since we know the part numbers on the other end of the connector at the radio. I even know the length, 70 inches (that's what she said ;) )

See if you can get a hold of Sritter via PM to take a look at this post to help us with this. I'm not sure he is around much since he only has 3 posts still.

Attached is sritter's connector that may be the camera wires...

Does anyone know what the Top Connector i.d. number is called for DannyMK2 and Sritter17's 2015 6.4L 2500 trucks?? ie. i315
(it's not i315 by the way, it's something else - down by the break pedal)

If I know it, I may be able to identify the connector and pinout. We never heard back from sritter17.


EDIT:
Did a little more digging and found the connectors (no connector ID though) to confirm it is where the camera wires would go for DannyMk2's truck (like Sritter17's). Just need to have Danny confirm if he has wires on the other side at pins 17,18, & 19. It may be easy to complete his missing camera wiring after all!

Also found the smaller 12 pin below it (pdf attached)
 

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Danny,
Do you still have the camera, handle and other parts in the tailgate from before or did you return them?
If we can get the pins for both ends now that we have pn's, I can make that cable for you if you want to cover the cost of parts/shipping. I already have a 70" 3 conductor cable laying around (w/ damaged pins from an old Jeepguy harness).

The only difference in your 2015 2500 6.4L truck is that you don't have the i315 connector, and instead have that other Inline Body/IP connector that would carry the camera signals.

Note: If you are so inclined to check, it would be good to Ohm out/resistance check the 3 wires from pins 17, 18, & 19 of that connector back to the tailgate i550 connector (pins 3, 4, & 5) just to be sure (need a few feet of wire to extend one meter lead).

EDIT: COMBINED POSTS...

I Just want to see this done if possible as long as we have someone with the right truck to figure it out. $ is definitely not required. It is absolutely insane to me that so much of the wiring is in your truck except this one last segment to the radio. If I can get the pins in hand for both ends, I can put them on the cable I have in 10mins. Easy.

Here are the female connector sockets we need to see about sourcing a vendor for that's not too $$...

Inline-Body/IP (foot Well) - "mopar pn's"
68316923AA - 20ga (1.5mm sockets)
or 68316925AA - 18ga

EDIT: After digging through the Yazaki YESC catalog (Hybrid Connectors), this appears to be the "Inline-Body/IP" ...
- Female Connector Housing (Polarity A/Black), Yazaki PN: 7283-4190-30 (edit: Yep)

- Female 1.5mm Sockets (22-20Awg), Yazaki PN: 7116-4100-02 (Au: -08) or 7116-4780-02 (Sn)
- Female 1.5mm Sockets (18-16Awg), Yazaki PN: 7116-4101-02 (Au: -08) or 7116-4781-02 (Sn)

Looking back over my Jeepguy Harness notes/schematic, 7116-4100-02 is the same pn as the i315 footwell connector for the 1500's.

Radio/C1 pins (Tyco/TE Connectivity Pn's)
- 638551-3 (0.64mm sockets) @ Mouser

EDIT 3: Got the Yazaki stuff from Nexus Electronics (www.NexElec.com / [email protected] / Mention RamForum)
Attached pictures of the edited "jeepguy style" harness schematic and the actual 70" Harness segment to the radio DannyMk2 needed ... Now for him to install and check.

Here's a better Resolution DL for the schematic...
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Just waiting on Danny to get back to me about his truck. I'm fairly sure the missing camera harness segment can be made for his truck if he didn't already install the full OEM kit.

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its funny you brought this back up. i was actually thinking about just calling the dealer and have them put the kit in since i really havent had the time to mess with this. i did check the wiring though and it is there behind the connector. its hard to get a good pic but you can see the exposed wire has black insulation on it on the other connector. the pins are there. im guessing a small harness that goes from the connector to he back of the radio is all thats needed?
 

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Sweet!
Danny, do you still have the camera, handle and other parts in the tailgate from before or did you return them?
If we can get the pins for both ends now that we have pn's, I can make that cable for you if you want to cover the cost of parts/shipping. I already have a 70" 3 conductor cable laying around (w/ damaged pins from an old Jeepguy harness).

Note: If you are so inclined to check, it would be good to Ohm out/resistance check the 3 wires from pins 17, 18, & 19 of that connector back to the tailgate i550 connector just to be sure (need a few feet of wire to extend one meter lead).

i never ordered the kit since i wasnt sure i was going to be able to make this work or if i was just going to have the dealer do it. ill try and ohm out the wires sometime this week. ill gladly pay you to make the harness if you are able to do so.
 

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I'm going to run out to the dealer parts Dept and see if they can help me identify the manufacturer part number/pins of that foot well connector in Danny's truck.

Hey Danny, what's your Vin again?

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Well that was a waste of time. I need to find an FCA tech on the forum willing to take a look at the TechAuthority site to get me the manufacturer Pn of DannyMK2's connector.
(Or a dealer parts clerk willing to actually look)

We need 3 pins, but paying $20-$30 per pin isn't going to cut it.

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Techtack , I think is his forum name is a Ram tech . Also did 00RT get a subscription , he was talking about it on the conversion or the compass thread ?
 

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Lol , I didn't see that above Hemi395, you post was on the next page on Tapatalk
 

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