Carnuba touch ups, clay er no?

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Clayed, sealed, and waxed my truck a few months ago with black fire products. Sealant is still looking amazing. Guys at work thought I detailed my truck when I washed and tire shined it.

However, when you get close and in the light, you can see that the carnuba is just about gone.

Clay, seal, wax all over again? Or can I just wash n wax?
 

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Wax, almost any wax, will only last about 3-4 weeks, whereas a good sealant should last about 6 months. Many sealants you can top with wax for increased protection and depth. Even if your wax is starting to "go away" your finish will still be protected by your sealant. If it was me, I'd just rewax over the sealant.
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Wax, almost any wax, will only last about 3-4 weeks, whereas a good sealant should last about 6 months. Many sealants you can top with wax for increased protection and depth. Even if your wax is starting to "go away" your finish will still be protected by your sealant. If it was me, I'd just rewax over the sealant.
Jay

Agreed!
 
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Wax, almost any wax, will only last about 3-4 weeks, whereas a good sealant should last about 6 months. Many sealants you can top with wax for increased protection and depth. Even if your wax is starting to "go away" your finish will still be protected by your sealant. If it was me, I'd just rewax over the sealant.
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Yea, I got that.

It needs wax, not sealant. I'm debating claying it again before waxing, so I'd have to re-seal and wax. I'm wondering if I can get away with just a really good wash, then wax. A touch up, every three months kinda thing.

That make more sense?
 

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Yea, I got that.

It needs wax, not sealant. I'm debating claying it again before waxing, so I'd have to re-seal and wax. I'm wondering if I can get away with just a really good wash, then wax. A touch up, every three months kinda thing.

That make more sense?

I do my truck differently than most people. I really only do my truck twice a year. I'll do it in the fall and in the spring. You should be fine with a good wash and a coat of wax. But I would get another coat of clay/sealant/wax on before winter.
 

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So clay bar is to remove any contaminants from the paint. Best way to tell if you'll get any benefit from the effort you put into a clay treatment is with the plastic bag test. Get a simple sandwich bag from the kitchen slip it over your hand and your your hand on the paint. If it runs over smoothly and does not catch, no need to clay. If if won't glide over the paint at all, maybe time for another clay bar treatment.

I've gotten to the point I can tell largely by feel without a plastic bag. My vehicles are often smooth as silk, and when they are not, it's time for another treatment.

And, pro tip. I've also gotten to the point where I do not use the "lubricant" and or detail spray when I clay bar. After detailing at a high level for years, show cars and daily drivers, I've found that you can save time, money and effort by following this procedure:

1. Wash entire car throughly
2. rinse
3. With same soapy water, soap up one panel at a time
4. Clay bar panel using soapy water as lubricant
5. rinse panel
6. repeat until all panels are done.

This saves a ton of "lubricant" product, as well as the time it takes to clean up, buff in/off the lubricant/detail spray after the clay bar. And if you are using the high end supplies like Adams, or Chemical Guys, or whatever, it'll save you a ton of cash over the course of a year.

Finally to your question of sealant. I do not reseal after "every" clay bar. I do wax, but I only seal twice a year. I use Adams paint sealant, and apply with a flex polisher. That said I recently tried the new adams "H2O Guard and Gloss" which is a water activated acrylic sealant, and so far I am a huge fan. I have used that in between my biannual seal after a few washes, and not only does it make drying easier, but it looks great when done and adds protection. It's still a new product, and I've only used it a hand full of times, but so far I am a huge fan. If you don't mind waiting for product to ship in, may be worth a try!

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I have also been using the soap solution as my clay bar lubricant for many years. It is not only expensive to use the sprays, it slows me down and can cause finger fatigue. I use a stupid mouse all day doing CAD and my right hand gets enough abuse. I'm married too.

Has anyone tried the new Eagle One mitt that is supposed to replace clay bars? They are kind of pricey at $22 but may help reduce swirl marks on sensitive paints.
 

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I think it might be the same thing as a Nano towel(see autogeek)
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I have also been using the soap solution as my clay bar lubricant for many years. It is not only expensive to use the sprays, it slows me down and can cause finger fatigue. I use a stupid mouse all day doing CAD and my right hand gets enough abuse. I'm married too.

Has anyone tried the new Eagle One mitt that is supposed to replace clay bars? They are kind of pricey at $22 but may help reduce swirl marks on sensitive paints.

Married...hahaha!
 
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Alright guys we've gotten a bit off track here. I do not need lessons on how to clay.

You are right that a clay bar takes contaminants off, but so does it wax.... and sealants.

If I clay, I have to reseal and then wax. In the past, when I've had teens of thousands of dollars of detailing equipment in a detail shop, that's exactly what I did.

Now I'm in my driveway, so if I can get away with touch up carnuba coats, I'd like to save myself the time.
 

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How often you need to clay depends on the environmental elements your vehicle is exposed to and how **** you are about your paints finish. It's been debated for years whether or not claying strips a sealant...

Okay so....
You stated you're using Blackfire products, so I'm guessing you used Blackfire Wet Diamond as a sealant. BFWD sealant usually does not start losing its protective characteristics or hydrophobic properties until after 5-7 months of application, depending on whether the vehicle is a daily driver, parked outside or a garage queen..

So why not just wash and wax every 2-3 months in between, depending on the longevity of the wax you're using. The sealant will need to be reapplied, 'Let's just say in 6 months' ... So clay at every 6 month interval. As you already mentioned, washing and waxing will remove a lot of contaminates in itself

I clay every 6 months and after claying I do a visual inspection of the paint to determine whether I need to do any paint corrections at that time before resealing. I personally believe claying over 3 times a year is overkill although there may be exceptions. Another option is to just seal every 6 months w/o waxing

So to answer your question....Yes
, go ahead and wash and wax and spend the time saved with family, friends or on other items of interest..
 
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