Help with the detailing....whole process

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Limeybastard

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Some pics taken earlier. This is just the passanger side and my camera phone could only take the larger paint dust and particles that were on this side of the truck so a good few smaller ones are not depicted.

First one is on the bed side wheel panel area. With close up, whatever is under the paint is pretty sharp, and gray looking, perhaps a piece of metal with what appears to be clear coat on it.

Third, fourth and fifth are the passanger quad rear door, this area has approx 6 particles in a very small location. Again, some of it is pigmented white, but the larger particles are grey metal colored with what appears to be clear coat over it.
 

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First one is the passanger rear quad cab door again, followed by a pic, honestly forgot where that nib was , maybe same door on the window frame area.

Third image and fourth image is of the lower right tailgate. , the fourth is zoomed showing what appeats to be pinhole depicting silver color, perhaps metal, with a blister next to it.

Fifth is of the passanger fender, has a nib near the aeriel area.
 

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6th image is close up of the particle on the passanger front fender.

The final two images are of the passanger front door, a nib right in the center area of the door. Like I said these are the only ones that I could show via the hardware that is available to me.

If I can be bothered I will take pics of the driver side and roof which contain similar, the hood only has a few. The main ones being the dark specs when zoomed showing what appears to be grey silver color of metal covered in clear is primarily already shown. I have yet to zoom into the other specks to find if they are as " frightening".

Like I said, my concern is lets say for example the area in the lower right corner of the tailgate gets worse and starts to rust in the future. I strongly feel Chrysler will blame an object being closed on the tailgate to have caused that. This is why I would like to be able to get these defects put on record.
 

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Hmmm....
Well then, playing devil's advocate couldn't even defend these defects. Initially when I looked at them, they looked as if paint chips that had been cleared over... Not an issue with up-gassing, runs, solvent crazing nor orange peeling... As you stated, It appears that you have trash below the base coat also and not just below clear coat only. One shot looks as if trash is trapped underneath the base coat and also looks similar to what is referred to as cratering/blistering, it's hard to tell from the pics as you have the best view and I'm not a schooled trained/ certified painter.

It's hard to believe that these defects would slip by Quality Control/Assurance.. If so, a drug screening is in order, maybe one for the robots also. I leave less trash on the walls when using a paint roller while interior house painting... I understand that 75-85% of all auto paint used are provided by the two major paint suppliers, so to say the paint itself sucks is overkill. However, the paint process and QC values are definitely questionable, regardless if this is a factory finish, refinish by dealership or contractor, without doubt...


You're intelligent and clear headed...Have you given thought to stopping by several reliable paint shops and get paint estimates along with detailed shortcomings of your paint in writing, third party. Also have them gauge the paint thickness of cab and bed in several areas, especially on defective panels and ask them to document on the quote the findings and what panels were tested. As you know, depth of paint will be a dead giveaway to whether or not it's been repainted. Make several copies and provide to dealership, email/mail copies to corporate and let each know you want to initiate a warranty claim. Also make them aware you have posted pics on the Ramforum site and not only are members watching the end results of a resolution but potential new buyers are also watching. Grounds for a lawsuit are in order if no expected resolution is met. Force their hand, whether or not this was a refinish or factory paint mishap should present itself at some point.

So this is on a 2015 year Ram, at what distance are these defects noticeable? I think you are easier going than I as I would not accept ownership. Correctable orange peel and runs are one thing but this is unacceptable

Since you mentioned the Rams are produced in the Warren, Mi facility, I did a quick search and found they are producing in excess of 100 vehicles per day at the Warren plant. I also researched where the Chargers and Chrysler 300's were produced, not the same plant as those are produced in Canada.. Just as someone already mentioned, If Dodge is dropping the ball on Quality Control more people need to post pics for awareness until Dodge acknowledges fault and makes necessary corrections. Although if they are meeting OEM standards, nothing will change

I can see the port of Colonels Island from my backyard, ships bring in vehicles from the manufactures of BMW, Porsche, Mercedes Benz, Jaguar, Saab, Volvo, Land Rover and Volkswagen... the intransit inspectors would not have accepted that vehicle. I understand they take some pretty extreme measures

Be interesting to find out full details of the paint history of your truck. I feel for you. In the meantime, I hope noone else posts pics of some serious uncorrectable paint defects as I don't like the taste of crow.. Yeah, I've eaten it before that's how I know I no like... Actually I've seen similar with another automaker, regardless it's unacceptable
In short. I'm still not going to say Dodge paints suck but I will say this, "your truck's paint job ' SUCKS ' "

To the Op.... I noted you said you did not have any noticeable swirls in your paint, if the dealership has ever washed your vehicle before you do now and you're just not seeing them as the color of your vehicle must be masking them well. Inspect with artificial lights or the next time you are at a shopping center, gas station, etc with overhead street lights inspect paint up close while looking at the surface from different angles.

In the event you do not have a polisher, you can hide/mask these swirls by using a swirl filler. If you like, I have a sample size of Wolfgang's Pre-Wax Polish Enhancer you can have. Every now and then, I will take the time and select a free gift from AutoGeek when placing an order. I've yet to date received the item I selected and have just been chunking em. I have no experience with the item as I don't use swirl fillers but this would be perfect for someone that does not have a polisher. From the description you can apply a sealant over the product.. shoot me a pm, if interested otherwise someone else may be interested

BTW, I'm not advertising for AutoGeek as I rarely use them anymore for personal reasons/experience
 

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I actually was in the process earlier today ( emailed 3 local bodyshops ) to find out if they have a paint thickness guage, out of the three only one replied stating they did not. So, that is what I will do, my plan was to find out the measurements. I guess my question to you would be either way a trip to the local dealer would be neccessary, I beleive it will be as that ticket I created with "customer assist" at FCA website didnt do much apart from create a ticket number for me on 8/1/15, no human(e) has contacted me thus far.

In all honesty, I dont blood out of this nor do I want a respray and nor do I want another truck. I just want it noted so that if those effected areas get worse ( rust ) or deteriorate then I wont be left to foot the bill.

Yes, it is a 2015 model year made during the Christmas festive period 12/14. You raised a good point in reference to OEM standards , or their own "in house" standards. Do you remember the days when plasma tvs could have XX amount of bad pixels prior to it being labelled as defective? Each manufacturer has their own set guidelines. I am not savvy to what FCA or RAM tolerance levels are and probably wont ever be.

So far, to swirls find, I found turning off the garage lights, and using a handheld flourecent at angles to show some minor scratches. But I will be honest with you, it doesnt look like the vehicle was washed that many times by the dealership. As I didnt see many suprisingly enough. Ive seen worse on previous brand new cars Ive owned with approx 2 miles on the ODO. Then again they were not white.

Thanks
 
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