Power Wagon

TWILLIAMS9 said:

The diesel engine is not a desirable engine in an off-road vehicle. The turbo lag is what sucks.

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Lol I haven't heard any one talk about turbo lag in a stock Cummins in along times
6.7 have VGT turbos that make it virtually non existent
Even my 5.9 is hardly noticeable, especially compared to the 6.0 I had

The weight is a saftey liability off road which is why it's never been an option

Stangshcky12 said:

Lol I haven't heard any one talk about turbo lag in a stock Cummins in along times

6.7 have VGT turbos that make it virtually non existent

Even my 5.9 is hardly noticeable, especially compared to the 6.0 I had



The weight is a saftey liability off road which is why it's never been an option

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Have you not heard about dead pedal in the new cummins?


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TWILLIAMS9 said:

Have you not heard about dead pedal in the new cummins?


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In 6.7s? I certianly have and it's not caused by turbo lag. Its a PCM/TCM problem in 13+ automatics and is usually fixed with the most recent updates from Ram.

There is also no room for a winch on the front of a cummins although I'm sure they could make it work.

Turbo lag had nothing to do for not installing the hefty inline 6 cylinder Cummins engine for the Power Wagon. The Power Wagon weighs over 7,000 lbs with the current 6.4 V8, so installing a heavy cast iron 1,150 lbs dry Cummins engine would not help the off road capabilities. The Cummins is a long engine and there is no room for the 12,000 lb Warn winch behind the bumper.

Cummins Powered said:

Turbo lag had nothing to do for not installing the hefty inline 6 cylinder Cummins engine for the Power Wagon. The Power Wagon weighs over 7,000 lbs with the current 6.4 V8, so installing a heavy cast iron 1,150 lbs dry Cummins engine would not help the off road capabilities. The Cummins is a long engine and there is no room for the 12,000 lb Warn winch behind the bumper.

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The engine isn't too long, the intercooler gets in the way of the winch.

http://youtu.be/qlcoM36C4kM

That is a good example of the turbo lag that people are referring to, do that with a power wagon with 4.10's or 4.56's in 4 low and it will crawl right through, instead your at half throttle on the Cummins.

loveracing1988 said:

The engine isn't too long, the intercooler gets in the way of the winch.

http://youtu.be/qlcoM36C4kM

That is a good example of the turbo lag that people are referring to, do that with a power wagon with 4.10's or 4.56's in 4 low and it will crawl right through, instead your at half throttle on the Cummins.

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In another video there's a list of modifications of that truck, it's on 37s with no mention of regearing
Comparing that to a power wagon with 33" and 4.56 gears isn't even the same ballpark

I highly doubt a Powerwagon would idle through that and have to be throttled just as much

Stangshcky12 said:

In another video there's a list of modifications of that truck, it's on 37s with no mention of regearing
Comparing that to a power wagon with 33" and 4.56 gears isn't even the same ballpark

I highly doubt a Powerwagon would idle through that and have to be throttled just as much

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Considering the Cummins puts out almost double the torque of the 6.4 it shouldn't need a huge regear to compensate. I would like to see it for comparison sake though.

Stangshcky12 said:

In another video there's a list of modifications of that truck, it's on 37s with no mention of regearing
Comparing that to a power wagon with 33" and 4.56 gears isn't even the same ballpark

I highly doubt a Powerwagon would idle through that and have to be throttled just as much

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With smaller tires youd be surprised what my truck will walk through in just 4hi..light throttle is necessary or it just spins the wheels...

The cummins could probably get away with 3.73s in a pw too..i only drove one 13 ctd 2500 but i noticed no turbo lag especially compared to the 6.7 powerstrokes at work..but they could always use a slightly smaller turbo to offset it if yous still think its an issue..
Id like to see them put one of the most bad ass engines ever made in one of the most bad ass rigs ever made. I think it will be a popular option but i dont know if it will hurt the 6.4 too much because of how much more expensive the diesel would be..could you imagine the sticker price on a 2015 laramie power wagon with ctd? [emoji33]

Mopar Performancde built a concept with a 6.7 in 2008
It was even more bad ass then you would expect
They stuffed 40's under it with a more 3" lift and bashed it around Moab for the press
2007 Dodge Ram 2500 Power Wagon - Dodge Diesel Truck - Diesel Power Magazine

This 98 cat ram sounds interesting

I remember reading about that article several years ago. They had to do a lot modifications to get the job done, and work it's way around the Cummins engine. Mopar performance has teamed up with KORE many different occasions, and have built some bad ass trucks. Kore won the baja 1000 class 8 in a Ram 1500 in 2011, took 3rd place Baja 1000 stock full class quad cab 03 Ram 2500 5.9 Cummins in 2004. Kore also took the same design, and built an 05 Ram 2500 quad cab 5.9 Cummins, Banks all terrain. So when Mopar and Kore team up you will in doubt have 1 bad mother! For now the Power Wagon will have the 6.4 gas burner.

The suspension in the pw doesnt really mate up well with the cummins either because its already no better than a 1/2 ton as far as towing and payload, the diesel would only further reduce those figures..plus that extra front end weight would mean stiffer coils with less travel..besides how often are you really going to need a full 800ft*lbs or even just 660ft*lbs of torque offroad in a stock power wagon lol?

regularcab2500 said:

The suspension in the pw doesnt really mate up well with the cummins either because its already no better than a 1/2 ton as far as towing and payload, the diesel would only further reduce those figures..plus that extra front end weight would mean stiffer coils with less travel..besides how often are you really going to need a full 800ft*lbs or even just 660ft*lbs of torque offroad in a stock power wagon lol?

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The payload isn't that good but towing wise it is rated a hair higher but I trust that max number a lot more than the 10,500 they say a 150p can pull.

loveracing1988 said:

The payload isn't that good but towing wise it is rated a hair higher but I trust that max number a lot more than the 10,500 they say a 150p can pull.

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Yeah i totally agree with that but im inclined to believe that they would rate it higher for towing if they could have..i dont think the diesel would have a positive effect on its tow rating enough to offset the extra 700lbs of motor

No cummins option had zero to do with the winch.


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Hey everybody, love the PW. I did call AEV about a diesel engine in the PW ( i really don't need the winch), but I DO want a manual transmission, and only the diesel has that. Anyway they said as of now they have no idea if or when the diesel will be an option. Thats too bad. I am going to check back with them in 6 months and see if they have this option or not.
Or i can put some PW parts in a 2500 HD ( including wheels/rims) and call it a day

Nojoy said:

Hey everybody, love the PW. I did call AEV about a diesel engine in the PW ( i really don't need the winch), but I DO want a manual transmission, and only the diesel has that. Anyway they said as of now they have no idea if or when the diesel will be an option. Thats too bad. I am going to check back with them in 6 months and see if they have this option or not.
Or i can put some PW parts in a 2500 HD ( including wheels/rims) and call it a day

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Why would AEV have that information? Are you trying put put a Cummins in a power wagon? They aren't the ones who build it for ram...

Aev would know nothing of any plans for a diesel power wagon and if they did it would be another one off..

They certainly are capable of building a comparable truck though
They've had overland style Rams at SEMA this year and last but have not started producing parts yet