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Indaram's - DIY - OEM 5.0 Radio to 8.4 Radio Upgrade Cached Pg 6 http://www.ramforum.com/f75/diy_-_oe...96/index6.html Originally Posted by Cptwing Not ...


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Indaram's - DIY - OEM 5.0 Radio to 8.4 Radio Upgrade
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http://www.ramforum.com/f75/diy_-_oe...96/index6.html

Originally Posted by Cptwing
Not just by size but by type as well. The 52 position radio connector on the 2013 and up actually uses 2 different pin types. To find the correct pins you need the manufacture's part data drawing. In addition the connector drawings will list multiple size pins for the connector by wire size, so to match those up you need the pinout diagram from the techauthority website. The two types of pins used are 2.8mm and .64mm, while these pins are available for different wire size gauges, I have listed only the ones used by Fiat on the 2013+ trucks

Here is the Radio connector
Mouser Electronics - Electronic Components Distributor

For some reason the drawing no longer lists the pin part numbers for the 52 position connector, so here they are.

Here is the data sheet for the radio connector
http://www.mouser.com/ds/2/418/NG_CD..._C1-672647.pdf

Here are the 2.8mm pins
Mouser Electronics - Electronic Components Distributor

Here are the 0.64mm pins
Mouser Electronics - Electronic Components Distributor

Indaram's - DIY - OEM 5.0 Radio to 8.4 Radio Upgrade
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http://www.ramforum.com/f75/diy_-_oe...96/index7.html
Originally Posted by Mpgrimm2
FYI for the other 4 speed fan conversion folks...

Mondo posted this (here or the z) a while back and is a good reference for those of us that have to use the extra Blower Power Harness with the conversion harness.

@cptwing, can you add this to your post 85 link?
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A couple notes on possible crimp tools for those wanting to make their own harness. If anyone else has links/details to affordable ones they used that worked well please let me know and I will update this post...


The link to the crimper cptwing used is/was broken.
It may have been this one by iWiss <--- RECOMMENDED! (the one ebay/DuPont one below sucks)

From the original backup Cam thread..
Originally Posted by Mpgrimm2
I believe that is the same mass produced, made in China, crimp tool as the one I use for my Arduino's "Dupont style" 2.54mm pins. It can be found on eBay using a search for "SN-28B crimping tool" for +/- $15. Not sure how well it will work with the harness adapter pins.

The official Amp/TE Connectivity "Pro Crimper III" tool is likely upwards of around $210 at Newark or Mouser.
Manufacturer: TE CONNECTIVITY / AMP
Newark Part No.: 44F8409 (LINK)
Manufacturer Part No 58495-1
Note: A bread bag's Twist Tie with about 3/8" of the coating stripped off, makes a fairly decent pin lock/release tool if you need to pop out pins from the connectors after they have been installed....


Originally Posted by Ramtech2319 View Post
I need to build a harness where did everyone get the connector ends and pins or I did not see them in the post thx in advance
Mouser Electronics, DigiKey Electronics, Newark Electronics, Allied Electronics, Nexus Electronics (NexElec.com) depending on who you can locate in-stock qty and reasonable minimums.

On a related note, just got these cool terminal/extraction tools in and look forward to trying them out making some harnesses soon. Looks like it will cover just about everything. (But too short to be useful for the conversion harness)

Lisle 57750 Wire Terminal Tool Kit https://www.amazon.com/dp/B007WQQHA2..._YGtqybGM633J2

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MPgrimm2 Harness Notes:

For those of you making your own extended harness, here is a bit of details from mine that may help you...

- Use twisted & soldered connections for splices (blobs can be unreliable)
- Use 1/8” heatshrink over splices vs electrical tape
- (optional) Lightly ‘flow’ solder at all pin crimps for durability and to prevent “pullouts”.

- Some other useful accessories if you do a lot of this stuff:
I use a Weller WES51 soldering iron with ET0 tip, helping hands, Solder Tip Cleaner, Kester 60/40 Solder (or similar),

- Here's a kit of wire with (6) 25ft rolls of 22awg wire with 6 different colors
or (10) 25ft rolls of 22awg wire with 10 different colors (10 Colors to match the schematic)

- Here's Braided sleeving: 25 FT 3/8" Black Expandable Wire Cable Sleeving Sheathing Braided Loom Tubing (main harness)
and 5 FT 1/4" Black Expandable Wire Cable Sleeving Sheathing Braided Loom Tubing (bezel segment)

00R/T's Crimping Notes:
Originally Posted by 00R/T View Post
It's hard to explain how I crimp it, but I'll try.

Strip the wire so the exposed wire is just slightly longer than the wire crimp portion of the terminal.

Set the wire in the terminal so the insulation butts up against the wire crimp portion of the terminal.

Use pliers to press the insulation portion of the terminal (the ears) into the insulation just enough so the terminal will stay in position.

Hold the crimper so the open "mouth" end is facing you.

Place the terminal in the crimper with the open part of the terminal (the fins that fold over) facing the bottom of the crimper.

Align the terminal left-to-right so the insulation side is on the wider part of the crimping die and the wire side is on the narrower side.

Slowly close the crimper and make sure the terminal doesn't rotate.

Close the crimper all the way.

Fix the insulation part of the crimp with pliers if it isn't as round as it should be.

EDIT: On your crimper, the open side of the terminal may go up. You want it facing the part of the die that has the line down the center (like the top of a heart).



Some soldering basics to start:

Soldering pt 1


Soldering pt 2


Soldering pt 3


Soldering pt 4


Questionable Solder Splice


Crimped & Soldered Pins



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More Mpgrimm2 Extended Harness "Braided Sleeving" notes:

NOTE: I used braided nylon sleeving and heatshrink which can be a bit more difficult to work with vs split wire loom.

(i.e. I covered harness with 1/2' nylon sleeve/braiding. Finished with 3/4" & 1/2" heatshrink.)


Bezel Breakout 1:


Bezel Breakout 2:


Bezel Breakout 3:


Bezel Breakout 4:


Bezel Breakout 5:


Bezel Breakout 6:


Bezel Breakout 7:


Other End 1:


Other End 2:


Other End 3:


Other End 4:


Other End 5:


Finished Harness w/Sleeving:
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DIY 5.0 to 8.4 Navigation upgrade

DIY 5.0 to 8.4 Navigation upgrade

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Just a quick note on the bezel ...

There are 2 bezels that will work with the 8.4AN conversion...

- Preferred option 1:
SINGLE ZONE OEM 8.4" (MTC) BEZEL
P/N: 5VD75JXPAA or 1UJ96DX9AC (or AE, AF, etc)



- Workable option 2:
DUAL ZONE OEM 8.4" (ATC) BEZEL
P/N: _____________ or 1UJ97DX9AC (or AE, AF, etc)



The ATC bezel has all the same controls/buttons but also has 3 extra buttons that will be non-functional with the conversion.
The 2 right side buttons (up/dwn) for the passenger side Temp control (dual zone), and 1 (1/2) button on the center knob for the Auto temperature feature.

The ATC bezel was verified to work minus the items noted above by Cptwing, Jared4.7, See Here, (and later by Mpgrimm2).



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What post are you looking for exactly

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[quote name="Indaram" post=1007604]Here are the details for converting a 2014 RA2 MTC bezel "with 7 speed blower" to a RA3/4 MTC bezel for an 8.4 Uconnect Radio.

Parts Required For MOD:
8.4 Uconnect Radio (VP3/RA3 - Non-Nav) or (VP4/RA4 - Nav) **Check car-part.com or ebay.
Heater Control Module: - 68183973AB
Dash Controls: - 1UJ96DX9AF

Connectors & Pins to Make Adapter Harness (Required) (Use attached wire diagram and pinout below)
24 Pin Connector 1: 1318917-1 TE Connectivity | Mouser
24 Pin Connector 1 - Pins: 1123343-1 TE Connectivity / AMP | Mouser
24 Pin Connector 2: 1376103-1 TE Connectivity | Mouser
24 Pin Connector 2 - Pins: 1376109-1 TE Connectivity / AMP | Mouser
08 Pin Female - Connector: 30700-1081 Molex | Mouser
08 Pin Female - Pins: 1393366-1 TE Connectivity / AMP | Mouser

22 or 24 AWG stranded wire
Crimp tool to crimp the pins on the wire. (Check Amazon & Ebay for wire and crimp tool)

Harness Pinout
24 Pin Connecter (2014)
Pin 01 to Pin 01 (Also needs to splice over to Pin 4 on 8 Pin Connector)
Pin 02 to Pin 02
Pin 03 to Pin 06
Pin 04 to Pin 05
Pin 05 to Pin 04
Pin 06 Blank
Pin 07 to Pin 13
Pin 08 on Moves to Pin 2 on 8 Pin Connector
Pin 09 to Pin 07
Pin 10 to Pin 08
Pin 11 Blank
Pin 12 to Pin 10
Pin 13 to Pin 9
Pin 14 to Pin 14 (Also needs to splice over to Pin 3 on 8 Pin Connector)
Pin 15 to Pin 15
Pin 16 to Pin 16
Pin 17 to Pin 17
Pin 18 to Pin 18
Pin 19 to Pin 19
Pin 20 to Pin 20
Pin 21 to Pin 21
Pin 22 to Pin 22
Pin 23 to Pin 23 (Also needs to splice over to Pin 5 on 8 Pin Connector)
Pin 24 to Pin 24 (Also needs to splice over to Pin 1 on 8 Pin Connector)

Optional parts, See Note 1 below.
911/Assist Mirror: - 68096091AF
Antenna Cable Body Cell & SDARS "QUAD/CREW": - 68148279AD
Antenna Jumper Cable: - 68148258AD
Shark Fin Antenna: - 5091278AC
SD Card Media Hub: - 68096428AD

NOTE 1:
You can omit the Mirror, Antenna body cable, Antenna jumper cable, and shark fin antenna if you buy the OEM auto parts plug shown here:
911 Vehicle Phone Override Cable

Or you can make your own using the following parts (search ebay and amazon for these)
Farka D connector with 2 to 6 inch lead
10k Ohm Resistor with 5% tolerance, 1/2 watt.

Just solder one end of the resistor to the center wire and the other end to the wire shielding. Tape it up with electrical tape or heat shrink it.

NOTE 2:
There is a confirmed working mod for those that have a 2013/14 with 5 speed blower, but being I do not have that and cant confirm how its setup, I will not include those instructions in this post.

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I take NO credit for any of this, just wanted to sum this info up for everyone here. All credit goes to getupkid and others for getting this project started and all their research. Please do not PM me asking me to make and sell you a harness.. I only made 2 and used them both.
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Alright. 3.5hrs digging through cached webpages and I'm burnt out.

- Managed to get most of the Cptwing's Info on the conversion for 4 speed fan folks
(But no pictures)

- Absolutely could not locate a cached page of Indaram's Original post for the 7 Speed fan folks.

Originally Posted by 1500ram12 View Post
DIY 5.0 to 8.4 Navigation upgrade

DIY 5.0 to 8.4 Navigation upgrade
That original thread is locked and the relevant posts are missing.


- The 4 speed fan instructions by Cptwing at posts 81, 85, 88, 89, & 90 are lost along with the detailed pictures he posted.
I managed to dig them out from Google's cached web pages archive, but without the pictures.

-Indaram's original post 1 from his consolidated info thread detailing the 7 speed conversion was lost (part numbers, links, etc) and the entirety of his thread are gone.
I was able to go through the cached Google pages for relevant posts, but couldn't locate a cached page for Indaram's post 1.

EDIT: Thanks 1500ram12 for the above post!
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Found this. I don't have time to go through it but might have what you're looking for

http://boardreader.com/thread/DIY_5_...pthuX1dtg.html

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