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So I believe I am going to trade my savage 10fpsr in 308 with mcree precision stock for a spikes ...


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Old 05-31-2013, 03:14 AM   #1 (permalink)
 
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So I believe I am going to trade my savage 10fpsr in 308 with mcree precision stock for a spikes ar15 pretty much run of the mill F front sight post and plastic handguards.

The guy who wants to trade is close to my shop where I work which is 5 hrs away from my home. Can someone educate me on the laws of trading long rifles FTF with the rifle changing states. Also the legality and best way to get my gun up here to me aside from driving 10 hours to get it. I heard you can mail long guns? or should I get my ffl back home to ship it to my shop up here.

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I believe to ship it you have to have a FFL. If it were a muzzle loader you could, unless its Illinois as they consider it a firearm.


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First, what state are you in? You can ship a long gun (UPS) to yourself without an FFL per federal law, not mail it. Most states allow long gun purchases to be made in neighboring states as well; so without knowing where you are I can't say much more about that.

Assuming you're not in a heavily regulated state like CA, NY, IL, HI, then you shouldn't have much issue with a face to face transfer. Some states require a bill of sale, most do not. You would not be wrong to make one up to cover you if something should come up.
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Careful. You can ship your gun to yourself. Any transfers of non C&R guns must be done by an FFL. No FTF.


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Careful. You can ship your gun to yourself. Any transfers of non C&R guns must be done by an FFL. No FTF.
Is that a CA law? FTF is perfectly legal in AZ.
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AZ is one of the least restricted states for firearm sales and purchases. Must of the stuff we can do here you can't do elsewhere without the proper channels.

as for travel, as long as it is locked up away from ammo, you should be fine traveling into another state for most states.... HOWEVER, there are states where that does not fly so check, double check, triple check AND quadruple check your states laws and where you would be traveling to to make sure they follow the federal laws and don't have an extra amendment to make it illegal.


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I'm from KY but and working in WV. I have my ccdw and it's recognized in WV as well. So no worries with actually driving because I always have 2 guns within reach. lol

Mostly concerned with shipping it up here to avoid me the 10 hr round trip drive. I would be having my uncle ship it from my address to the address of the company I work for.
The person I am dealing with has their ccdw as well and is active military. But to cover myself I believe I will make us take a trip to an ffl here anyways.
An ffl told me I could actually take the bolt out and etc and ship my gun through the mail or ups without anything special.


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Originally Posted by mattman_13 View Post
I'm from KY but and working in WV. I have my ccdw and it's recognized in WV as well. So no worries with actually driving because I always have 2 guns within reach. lol

Mostly concerned with shipping it up here to avoid me the 10 hr round trip drive. I would be having my uncle ship it from my address to the address of the company I work for.
The person I am dealing with has their ccdw as well and is active military. But to cover myself I believe I will make us take a trip to an ffl here anyways.
An ffl told me I could actually take the bolt out and etc and ship my gun through the mail or ups without anything special.

To do it the way you're talking about, you have to ship it from an FFL to an FFL and it'll probably cost about $50 on each side. If you were to ship it next time you're home (which wouldn't make sense since you could just bring it) then you could send it to yourself. Once the gun's in your possession, you can do the face to face transfer with the other guy without any FFL requirement.

Why not just grab it the next time you're home? If your uncle ships it to your work place, you will be in violation of a few federal firearms laws and risk big fines and possible jail time.

And whoever told you removing the bolt and shipping the gun is incorrect. The receiver is the serialized part that makes it a gun, regardless of whether or not it's in firing condition. If anyone but yourself ships that gun, it's supposed to go between 2 FFL's. Check out the ATF website for proper info.


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Here is the law in WV and it has reciprocity with KY

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There is no transfer law, but I would want to know who I was dealing with so that there is nothing coming back on you.

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Here is the law in WV and it has reciprocity with KY

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There is no transfer law, but I would want to know who I was dealing with so that there is nothing coming back on you.
Reciprocity has nothing to do with him wanting to sell a long gun to someone else in WV. That's only carrying a handgun with a valid CCW permit.

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