How to add remote start to 2017 Ram

skuppy069 · Dec 3, 2017

Just a quick question on the csm1 config.
I was able to set remote start to present.
Hood ajar to present
I went into the csm1 config and there are three different options .
Not sure which one To use ?

I have a 2016 ram 1500

I recently got a new RF Hub for the push to start upgrade from auto tech
With the remote start antenna and the new proximity keys that had the remote start buton on it .
I tried to remote start and the cluster gave me a
Fail to remote start.
Hood open .
I installed a new hood latch with the sensor on it .
My truck had the wire harness taped back near the latch .
Plugged the harness into the new switch but still get the same error
My guess is this harness Doesn’t make it back to the bcm .
So i will have to buy the harness .

Thanks in advance for any responses .

Moab_Rockstar · Dec 4, 2017

That particular selection depends on what options you have, like heated seats and steering wheel. It will make the options visible in the radio to come on with remote start.

Some things in the wiring architecture changed from 16MY to 17MY. Add in a RF upgrade, I'm not sure how big a monkey wrench that throws in. The RF hub should learn the remote start settings from BCM when it is in learn/PIN mode.

Check your BCM harness. 2016 should have the same pinout as 2017. If the pins are missing on the BCM connector, you can populate those sockets if you can find them. I've been unable to find those terminals so far at any of the reputable suppliers.

skuppy069 · Dec 4, 2017

Thanks for the response .
You wouldn’t happen to know the part number for the harness that goes from the new hood switch to the bcm ?
Item B is what I need ?
Thanks

duunoit · Dec 4, 2017

skuppy069-I was going to ask if you had done this part:

Moab_Rockstar said:
The RF hub should learn the remote start settings from BCM when it is in learn/PIN mode.

skuppy069 · Dec 4, 2017

I only changed the settings in the bcm .
I thought the RF Hub would learn the values from the bcm ?
Thanks

Moab_Rockstar · Dec 5, 2017

I only changed the settings in the bcm .
I thought the RF Hub would learn the values from the bcm ?
Thanks

You need the PIN number for the vehicle. The dealer or a locksmith should be able to look it up fairly easily. When you have the PIN, there's a routine that can be run on RF Hub "PIN unlock" that will put it in a learn mode that will basically copy over whatever is in BCM to the corresponding bits in RF Hub.

Thanks for the response .
You wouldn’t happen to know the part number for the harness that goes from the new hood switch to the bcm ?
Item B is what I need ?
ThanksView attachment 94911

That kit is a one-off. There's no part number for just the harness that I've ever been able to find.

The BCM pins might come in the repair kit for the front harness connector. The repair kit for the hood switch has the pins for both sides. It's hard to say for sure without looking at it. The descriptions they give are always garbage.

It's possible to take the 1.5mm female pin used in other harnesses around the vehicle and "coerce" it into the BCM harness. The outer size is about the same, but the locking tabs are a little different. So it's not going to be positively retained, it will be a friction fit.

If you need a couple pins, the best thing would probably be to just go to a salvage yard and pull either the A or D connector off a BCM. The BCM is pretty much the same back to 2009. It doesn't have to be a truck either. Anything from 2010-11 to now should have basically the same thing. Before that,most are still similar enough that they use the same pins. It gets fuzzy going back to mid-2000's as everything transitioned from Serial Bus to CAN Bus, and as the architecture changed, a lot of the connectors did too. Not everything changed at the same time either.

Thorvald · Dec 6, 2017

Ok I’m lost here.... when I checked the Mopar site for the Remote Start kit it involved tearing out the entire rear cab of the truck to install modules on the back wall and running wires through the pillars etc. It was over $1000 for a dealer to install due to the crazy labour required.

Does this thread provide a different method of obtaining remote start?

Or does the truck require certain options (such as push to start) for this threads method to work?

—

My 2017 does have the remote to unlock doors etc (you could call it remote keyless entry as I don’t need to use a key) but it does not have the push button on the door handle. Very confusing on Mopar’s part...all trucks have remote keyless entry now, it’s a fob where you simply press the unlock button lol.

My Build sheet shows:

-Remote Keyless Entry with All-Secure
-Sentry Key Theft Deterrent System

Cheers
Tim

EDIT: I just checked under my hood and didn’t see a connector taped back unless it’s hidden under the plastic cover above the rad.

Moab_Rockstar · Dec 6, 2017

I don't think you were looking at the right remote start kit. The 2017 kit should just be keys, hood latch, and harness. Mopar charges just under 300 bucks for it.
This one looks like it might be 2500 specific https://mopar.chromedata.com/NextGen/C1111#/productDetails/11247038/279453133
This one says compatible with all engines: https://mopar.chromedata.com/NextGen/C1111#/productDetails/10474162/258755787
The keys shown for the 2500 are Keyless Enter N Go, but I think that such-equipped trucks are already going to have remote start enabled. It's theoretically possible to have KEG and no remote start, but you have to buy a pretty big technology/convenience group upgrade to get it, and it most likely comes with remote start. The kits are most likely sent out with the regular RKE keys. I think someone here posted in the thread that they bought the kit. A dealer might be able to tell you more.

The kits for 2016 and previous models require RF Hubs to be changed, and antennas added. So that kit is a lot more expensive.

Thorvald · Dec 6, 2017

Thanks! I think you are totally correct. I just ordered the kit and we’ll see how it goes.

Cheers
Tim

skuppy069 · Dec 7, 2017

Hi there just wondering if you knew what the pins are for the bcm side ?
1.5mm ???
Thanks .

Moab_Rockstar · Dec 8, 2017

It's a 1.5mm pin for the hood switch on the BCM connector, similar to the 1.5mm pin used in other interior harnesses. It's about an 80% fit, you can jam it in there, and it will probably stay put, but it won't be locked in. If you're skillful with small rotary blades, you might be able to the trim one down enough to fit.

If I come across a reliable source for the BCM pins, I'll put up a part number.

skuppy069 · Dec 8, 2017

Thanks for the response .
So it looks like Delphi makes the connector.
This is the part number of the connector

.
Part # 13850159
Called dealership they have no repair kit for this connector .
So will keep digging for more info .
Cheers

duunoit · Dec 11, 2017

I was wondering if the "Remote Start Antenna" (D) is just an antenna or is there something in the box? I can't imagine that there is anything else in since it just has a fakra connector (no power).

bacon13 · Dec 11, 2017

I'm lost here guys. I have a 2017 Xpress that had the wire/plug near the factory hood latch. I replaced the hood latch with the remote start type and plugged in the connector. I got the ebay fob cover for remote start and installed that in the fob. I went to the dealer today and they did the programming. They said it doesn't work due to not having a harness going from the hood latch to the BCM. Not sure what to do next. Why would there be a wire for the hood latch taped up there and it not be connected to the BCM on the other end?

Moab_Rockstar · Dec 12, 2017

On the 2017 trucks, there's no external antenna, it's built into the hub. I haven't verified, but it's probably the same on 2018. The 2017 remote start kits seem to now indicate 2017 and 2018 compatible.

Bacon,
Check your wiring from the hood switch and see that it actually goes to the front connector under the PDC. From there, it goes right to BCM. You may be missing the wires that go from front connector to BCM. It seems that at some point for 17 MY they added more harness variations, and some are not fully populated. The pins you need to look for a posted in the thread.

bacon13 · Dec 15, 2017

Thanks Moab. I do have the wires from the hood switch into the PCM. When I separated the connector, there were no pins on the body side of pins 5/6. I assume in need a harness to go from 5/6 to the BCM?

In reading the install instructions from the mopar kit, it says if you have the factory hood latch wire, skip steps 6-12. Those steps are for running the kit wire harness through the firewall into the BCM. I had the factory wire so I would skip those steps. The instructions then say to access the BCM and remove any factory wire in Pin 11 and replace with the kit harness wire. This makes no sense as it explained to skip the kit wire harness route through the firewall.

Not sure what to do next. I also don't know if I have the RF module and /or antenna. Maybe I misunderstood this post that I have those things already installed and just needed the new hood latch.

Ramitiner · Dec 17, 2017

Can I just come by so you can do this for me? Too techy for me

STecoD · Dec 17, 2017

I installed this in my 2015 1500 tradesman. I had the plug behind the hood latch but it was not run to the bcm. I bought the kit with the wire that runs from the hood latch around the PDC and through the firewall to the BCM. The harness had two wires which one was ground and was grounded next to the fuse box(PDC). There was an empty slot in pin 11 of the top right plug that I was able to push in after unlocking the tab. The whole install is available here. https://moparonlineparts.com/docs/82214424.pdf I had to pull the headliner and the B and C pillars plus the rear drivers side seat. It is a bit of work but not too bad.

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duunoit · Dec 17, 2017

STecoD - did your truck already have the remote keyless entry (RKE)?

STecoD · Dec 17, 2017

I did so that helped out.

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