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mtofell

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What is your all thoughts of the 2019 5.7 Hemi coming with 6 lug 3.92 gear and rated to pull 12700?

It all depends on payload. Ram (and other manufacturers) LOVE to brag about astronomical "max towing" numbers that are virtually impossible to achieve due to a lack of payload. Bare minimum of 10% of that 12700 has to go on the tongue so if the truck has anything under about 1800# of payload it's useless IMO.
 
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It all depends on payload. Ram (and other manufacturers) LOVE to brag about astronomical "max towing" numbers that are virtually impossible to achieve due to a lack of payload. Bare minimum of 10% of that 12700 has to go on the tongue so if the truck has anything under about 1800# of payload it's useless IMO.

Yes this is the problem a lot of us go to larger trucks for.. WHat they Say they can pull and what they can realistically pull by the numbers is two different things typically. My f150 ecoboost had much more towing capacity than the payload would allow.
 

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Yes exactly! The payload they are claiming will be 2300 Lbs. makes one wonder if the 6.4 will be option for the 2019. 1500.
 

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Out of all the trucks, Ram is the only brand who openly acknowledges that they aren’t building a 1/2 ton truck to tow what the vast majority of people would use an HD truck for. Anything north of 10k on a regular basis is HD territory IMO. Unless you are going 10 miles down the road. Sorry but I don't trust a F150 to keep 13,000 pounds comfortably stable because it lost a ton of weight due to aluminum. If anything that makes me more nervous.
 

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Bought my 3/4 ton for the express reason of load weight capability. I tow rarely throughout the year but dropping 2000+ pounds in the bed happens often enough. Also, as a paranoid prepper goes I'd like to be able to at least take part of my ammo stash if I ever needed to "bug out". :)
 

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Out of all the trucks, Ram is the only brand who openly acknowledges that they aren’t building a 1/2 ton truck to tow what the vast majority of people would use an HD truck for. Anything north of 10k on a regular basis is HD territory IMO. Unless you are going 10 miles down the road. Sorry but I don't trust a F150 to keep 13,000 pounds comfortably stable because it lost a ton of weight due to aluminum. If anything that makes me more nervous.

Good point. But when the axle is changed (9 inch in 1500 last 20 years) to larger for increased Pay load /Pull capacity in the 1/2 ton truck the larger axle size difference from 1/2 ton to 3/4 ton has changed the game for the 1/2 ton series trucks on the Rams. (I cannot comment intelligently on the F 150 since I only owned one F150 back in the mid 90's which will not compare to the trucks now days.) The 1/2 ton Ram going to 2300/12700 with a bigger axle is a 20 year Game changer just like it would be if axle changes on the 3/4 ton 2500 could or most likely will be in 2020.
The rear Gear has not been mentioned or published yet for the increased pay load/Pull loads of the 2019 1/2 ton model year,but as of 2018 on the 1500 the gears were 3.21 and 3.92 with the 3.55 no longer offered. Perhaps the 2019 change may bring with it an offering of 3.55 3.92 and perhaps the 4.10.

If the option of the 6.4 motor still exist with an increase payload to 2300 lbs with Pull capacity of 17500 with the 3.92 one could could pull 13000 lbs in the HD Territory quite comfortable and safely with a 1/2 ton with room to spare.

Of course the next benefit to Ram would be to increase the same with the HD line of trucks the following year or two as Ram has done for last many years to be more competitive by breaking the current paradimes . What a great benefit that will be for Ram and the Consumer. Thus eliminate the force to consumers to buy only HD trucks at the HD prices over the lessor 1/2 tons.
 

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I have a 2016 2500 with the 6.4 and 3.73's. My 30 foot toyhauler is just shy of 10k fully loaded. I tow through the mountains of Arizona about once per month (about 300-400 miles per trip), all the way up to 7,000 feet. I think the truck does fine. Ive learned to find the sweet spots. Like others said, just take it easy and dont try to push it 75 mph everywhere. I stay around 65 mph and it does great. Ive towed in the Arizona summer 100+ degrees all day every day and ive never had an over heating issue with any component. Im very happy with the 6.4. Oh and i have 35" tires, which really hit the MPGs hard and didnt do me any favors in the towing power department but it still holds its own.

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I pull a 36' 10K+ travel trailer and I'm thinking of getting 35's this spring. I might even lift it 2 to 3" too. I don't drive in the mountains, I live in Minnesota and Usually stay in the upper midwest for camping trips. What kind of MPG drop did you have when you went to 35's?
 

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My 2012 HD F150 Ecoboost had a door sticker payload of over 2400 lbs and it towed over 10k with ease and was very stable. I don't think I would tow that kind of weight with a non HD F150 though.
 

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My 2012 HD F150 Ecoboost had a door sticker payload of over 2400 lbs and it towed over 10k with ease and was very stable. I don't think I would tow that kind of weight with a non HD F150 though.

Fair enough. I suppose that is the way to go then on 1/2 ton. Do those trucks have any differences in the frame/axles compared to the reg ones?
 

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Fair enough. I suppose that is the way to go then on 1/2 ton. Do those trucks have any differences in the frame/axles compared to the reg ones?


I am not too sure what the differences are now, but there were a few with my 2012. The axles were 7 lug instead of 6 lug. The rear axle was a 9.75 inch with 34 splines versus the standard 8.80 inch with 31 splines. It had four rear leafs instead of three which gave it a 4,800 lbs rear GAWR. It also had a larger radiator and trans cooler that came with the tow package. It had some frame differences, but I forgot what they were.
 

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Not to be smart but I was not referring to a Ford F150 which nothing to do with what I posted. The Ram 1500 1/2 Ton During 2013 refresh had the Coils added, 4 Corner Suspension ,with larger Radiator, larger Transmission Cooler, (automatic louvers as on larger trucks) an a new 8 speed transmission. The 2019 has for sure Changed to larger axle with increased Pay load/Tow capacity from 1800 /10200 to 2300/17500.

We do not have any other information on the 1500 1/2 Ram at this point yet. But it may be the optional 6.4 may still be available for the 1/2 ton with possibly of a 4.10 rather than the 3.92 being the Shortest gear offer.

The offering on Rams is different than Fords with frame of Ram truck 1/2 tons being the same as the 3/4 tons with different lengths for bed sizes. Ram offers more bed sizes than any other Truck built for last 10 Years or so unlike Ford Or GM. With the axle change in the 1500 1/2 ton for 2019 will most likely be many new possibilities opening up for Ram trucks. Ram rear axles have not Changed in 20 years or better!

Just Like the diesel in 2013 in the 1/2 ton at that time no other truck offered such in a 1/2 ton. Its a huge change coming in 19 for the Rams not sure about all options on what models yet.The Change will be huge for the 2500 3/4 tons as well when it occurs for the 3/4 ton.
 

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We are looking at a larger camper.. This turck pulls my current one great with the 3:73 and has gotten better as I have gotten more miles on it now. My camper is in the 6500 pound range I would "guess" based on the dry weight and what we carry. The one we are looking at is about 8700 dry so Im assuming probably 10K +/- in camping form heading to the campground.
While It may tow it home if we get it with the 3:73 I would quickly probably upgrade gears.. I feel that the 4:56 option would handle the weight pretty well. I'm guessing with 4:56 I could hold 5th on flat ground and probably be in 4th and third on longer pulls, which is about where I am now with the 3:73 and lighter weight.. What is the general consensus? Is this a somewhat correct line of thinking? I have a rear diff issue anyway that I am still trying to get resolved under warranty and If I get this camper, ill probably say screw it cause im tired of dealing with it.

OF note, the truck rarely sees interstate usage when not towing and probably driven 75% on back roads and in town, so I dont think the gearing will hurt me too much on MPG.
Have read reports on empty mileage stating difference between the two is 1/4 mile per gal. Basicly not significant and the 4.56 is better up in Applalachins. Have no info re: higher mountains. Congrats if you get the new Camper.

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Not to be smart but I was not referring to a Ford F150 which nothing to do with what I posted. The Ram 1500 1/2 Ton During 2013 refresh had the Coils added, 4 Corner Suspension ,with larger Radiator, larger Transmission Cooler, (automatic louvers as on larger trucks) an a new 8 speed transmission. The 2019 has for sure Changed to larger axle with increased Pay load/Tow capacity from 1800 /10200 to 2300/17500.

I'm assuming you either meant 12,500 tow capacity or 17,000 GCWR. Don't think I'd personally want to tow 17k with a SRW HD truck let alone a half ton. Which I think was ST's point on the F150. It's starting to get to the point where the tail is wagging the dog when you put such a heavy trailer behind such a light truck

http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2018/01/by-the-numbers-2019-ram-towing-and-hauling.html
 

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The offering on Rams is different than Fords with frame of Ram truck 1/2 tons being the same as the 3/4 tons with different lengths for bed sizes. Ram offers more bed sizes than any other Truck built for last 10 Years or so unlike Ford Or GM. .

I am not sure about this. The Ram BodyBuilder shows different frames for the 1500s tons and HD trucks. I also believe that 2013 was the first year the 6.4 ft box was available in a crew cab configuration of the 1500's which was already available in the Ford's along with all of the other bed configurations the 1500s had. I know this because my brother had a 2004 F150 crew cab 4wd with a 6.5" bed.
 

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I am not sure about this. The Ram BodyBuilder shows different frames for the 1500s tons and HD trucks. I also believe that 2013 was the first year the 6.4 ft box was available in a crew cab configuration of the 1500's which was already available in the Ford's along with all of the other bed configurations the 1500s had. I know this because my brother had a 2004 F150 crew cab 4wd with a 6.5" bed.
I believe it's the 3/4 & 1 tons have the same frame, the half ton is different.
 

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I pull a 36' 10K+ travel trailer and I'm thinking of getting 35's this spring. I might even lift it 2 to 3" too. I don't drive in the mountains, I live in Minnesota and Usually stay in the upper midwest for camping trips. What kind of MPG drop did you have when you went to 35's?

Stock i was getting about 13 city / 16 hwy (unloaded). Now i get about 11 city / 14 hwy.

With my toyhauler loaded up (about 10k) i was getting about 9 pretty much every where. Now with the 35s i get about 7 or 8 loaded up. However i have seen it as low as 5 mpg on my last trip which was a brutal 5 hour trip almost all up hill with long steady grades. That really sucked.
 

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I am not sure about this. The Ram BodyBuilder shows different frames for the 1500s tons and HD trucks. I also believe that 2013 was the first year the 6.4 ft box was available in a crew cab configuration of the 1500's which was already available in the Ford's along with all of the other bed configurations the 1500s had. I know this because my brother had a 2004 F150 crew cab 4wd with a 6.5" bed.
It's the HDs that share a frame. You're right. The 1500 frame of this gen and I would bet the next gen would be nowhere near the HD. It would ride like a plank if it was.

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Ram won't beef up the 1500 to the point it would compete with it's own HD line. That would be a disastrous business decision.

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Ram won't beef up the 1500 to the point it would compete with it's own HD line. That would be a disastrous business decision.

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Exactly. And as I said last page, Ram engineers say they are not building a 1500 to tow what most buyers would want a 2500 for.

I forget what media outlet it was, but I saw a question asked to one of Ram's engineers about the max tow rating. "why not go over 13k and beat Ford". Basically said they aren't in it to play the numbers game on what an HD truck should be towing. I have also heard them say this before.

Maybe Ram should offer an HD 1500 package like Ford does. But I don't think it's necessary. A lot of people now are buying 1/2 tons and just using them like they are SUV's. And there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. Ram gets that. And the trucks are more than capable of towing a lot of weight. Just nothing crazy.
 

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I'm assuming you either meant 12,500 tow capacity or 17,000 GCWR. Don't think I'd personally want to tow 17k with a SRW HD truck let alone a half ton. Which I think was ST's point on the F150. It's starting to get to the point where the tail is wagging the dog when you put such a heavy trailer behind such a light truck

http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2018/01/by-the-numbers-2019-ram-towing-and-hauling.html

Yes Sir. Thank you for the correction 12500 was what i was referring to. I agree totally on wagging the tail, its not good when that happens!
 
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