Synthetic Oil

Rampant said:

I agree, but it would take a very skilled painter/designer with a keen eye for detail to pull it off. Everything is so curvy and round on the Ram in comparison to the D series, including the wheel wells. I didn't realize until now that their wheel wells used to be squared off like the GMs.

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The 2nd gen had fairy square wheel wells too.

2nd gen HD’s are my 2nd favorite truck styling.

Ramnewbie said:

What would they have been if you hadn't mixed?

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If you are referring to the wear numbers than that means you are either trying to make the point that you think the wear numbers would be better if i didnt mix without facts or evidance (like my UOA) or you are genuinely asking.

If you are genuinely asking, i dont know. That was the first UOA on that explorer in its life. I was getting some oil consumption so i wanted to see if mixing some 0w40 in would slightly “thicken” it up over the straight 0W30 i WAS using. It did and it worked. I was adding about 1/2 quart in 6months. Now im adding none. Problem solve and wear numbers are great too.

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Hemi395 said:

Redline 5w30 at 350 miles:

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Sounds better but you still aint where you were. My truck was worse then Corey's, and now butter smooth, smoother then Corey's ever was. I took a little hit going to 10w30 redline, seams like 5w30 redline is going to be as good as it gets to fight that tick. I have a feeling every tick is different, lesser ticks will benefit from viscosity, greater ticks will benefit from all parts of the formula that help high pressure, IE moly, and the base oil.

Oddly enough the oil that Corey elected to use doesn't answer the question, as it is now a low visc oil. So Amsoil SS 5w30 set you back to zero, if you get it back to where it was, I think we will have a better understanding if it was the moly or base oil, yeah? If you get it back over the next 500 miles, kinda leads me to believe it was the moly. If it was the base oil, perhaps it would have already came back. Moly needs time and pressure to plate, I don't know that the base oil needs time to repopulate that film. Either I guess is still possible, trying to nail it down will benefit future hemi owners. If we can isolate that it is moly, better outlook and more options. If it is the base oil, then only one brand and it's clones will continue to be the answer for hemi tick.

Now the forum sees what about 20 plus members who are off in the weeds already know.

Just wanted to share two pictures. I was not sure if anybody with the 6.4 hemi have tried a royal purple 20–820 yet. Filter fits fine just note the close clearance between the coolant hose and the filter this will be a non-issue in my opinion but just something to check. There is an anti-abrasion cover on the hose right at that elbow.

Second picture shows that even though the the O-ring on the royal purple 20- 820 is slightly lagrer O.D. (Somthing like 1/16”) there still plenty of room. Also wanted to remind anybody going to the larger filter to make sure you clean the O-ring mating surface extremely well so if the O-ring is slightly larger it’s not trying to seal up against dirt and debris that was previously an uncovered mating surface from the smaller OEM sized o-ring/filter.

Edit:redline 10W40 in. UOA in the future

And the best funnel in the world the redline funnel. One free funnel with every purchase of 1 quart of redline.

The very bottom of the quart has a larger diameter then the middle of the container. Cut the bottom off in the middle of the larger diameter portion at the bottom of the container. Then cut off the transition point from the larger bottom to the smaller diameter in the middle of the container.

Now you have a screw cap for the bottom of your funnel and a cap for the large opening on the top. No more worrying about dust getting in your funnel.

U&A said:

If you are referring to the wear numbers than that means you are either trying to make the point that you think the wear numbers would be better if i didnt mix without facts or evidance (like my UOA) or you are genuinely asking.

If you are genuinely asking, i dont know. That was the first UOA on that explorer in its life. I was getting some oil consumption so i wanted to see if mixing some 0w40 in would slightly “thicken” it up over the straight 0W30 i WAS using. It did and it worked. I was adding about 1/2 quart in 6months. Now im adding none. Problem solve and wear numbers are great too.

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No, I was genuinely asking , compared to what. No point trying to be made, just a question. But you accomplished what you were trying to so all is good. [emoji3]

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Bad question, there is no way to know what his numbers would have been in his new truck. He made a decision to mix, the rest of the point is mute. Too late to know that one. One thing that is happening is with thinner oils we are actually still seeing low wear numbers, and all that really tells us is that wear numbers is only a small part of the story. If we are going off wear numbers alone, Redline would be the last oil Corey would be using, but in fact it is the only oil that keeps his tick away. So the minutia of uoa's have over taken more important issues imo.

Burla said:

Bad question, there is no way to know what his numbers would have been in his new truck. He made a decision to mix, the rest of the point is mute. Too late to know that one. One thing that is happening is with thinner oils we are actually still seeing low wear numbers, and all that really tells us is that wear numbers is only a small part of the story. If we are going off wear numbers alone, Redline would be the last oil Corey would be using, but in fact it is the only oil that keeps his tick away. So the minutia of uoa's have over taken more important issues imo.

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He was referring to the UOA on my wifes 100,000 mile explorer. But tour point it also true in both situations. I also dont plan on mixing anymore (in my ram) I think i am just going to use 5W30 next winter. Easy peasy and the CST vis. Is great on that oil

And the wifes explorer is on Castrol titanium 0W40 from here on out

I think it is best practice to not mix, except in cases of low viscosity Amsoil SS 5w30 and High Moly 0w40 PUP, in those cases mixes might enhance the lubrication. I guess that is what ronnie means we often don't see eye to eye about He likes his mixes. I think Amsoil guys should consider one or two qrts amsoil's 40 weights added to their 5w30 to get the viscosity to what the old formula was for applications like ours.

Some may remember I put Amsoil SS 0w40 in at the last OCI and my 6.4 got noisy in short order. I then added MOS2 and that did help. The cheapskate in me wouldn't do a short OCI, so at @7K miles I just dumped the Amsoil and went back to PUP. Still using the SRT filter. So far, so good. Will report back if it starts getting noisy.

Burla said:

I think it is best practice to not mix, except in cases of low viscosity Amsoil SS 5w30 and High Moly 0w40 PUP, in those cases mixes might enhance the lubrication. I guess that is what ronnie means we often don't see eye to eye about He likes his mixes. I think Amsoil guys should consider one or two qrts amsoil's 40 weights added to their 5w30 to get the viscosity to what the old formula was for applications like ours.

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I also think PUP guys should consider mixing in AT LEAST 2 quarts of 0W40

tjfdesmo said:

Some may remember I put Amsoil SS 0w40 in at the last OCI and my 6.4 got noisy in short order. I then added MOS2 and that did help. The cheapskate in me wouldn't do a short OCI, so at @7K miles I just dumped the Amsoil and went back to PUP. Still using the SRT filter. So far, so good. Will report back if it starts getting noisy.

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Wow. Another noisy 6.4 on amsoil 0W40.. Is that 3 times we have heard that now?

Thought you guys would enjoy my oil change today



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Uh oh..... Nick has the bug... hope he knows there is no vaccination. Might as well buy it for your mower to. You know its going to happen Nick.

U&A said:

Uh oh..... Nick has the bug... hope he knows there is no vaccination. Might as well buy it for your mower to. You know its going to happen Nick.

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Now that you mention it I forgot to take a pic of it but I put it in my RZR today too!

Instead of chasing an elixir that protects that hemi, you could go the simple route and get a case of 5w30 redline from Nick and call it a day. Warning, you will likely loose a couple HP, that butter smoothness cushioning effect comes at a price. 5w20 redline you would loose no HP and still quiets mine. Crazy my truck was smoother on 5w20 redline then 10w30 redline, so whatever. Seams like there are also some oils that seam to tick more then others, just try a couple other brands in the 5w30 group 3's and see what you get if you don't want to use red voodoo. Different oils do have different results.

Im waiting for someone with a 5.7 to do 7quarts of Castrol Edge Titanium 0w40

Or even commit to 5w30 PYB and 3-4,000 mile/3-4 month OCI. I would use that over PP in a hear beat

U&A said:

Wow. Another noisy 6.4 on amsoil 0W40.. Is that 3 times we have heard that now?

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Not really "another", as I reported my results long ago. I already had this PUP in reserve, so I am using it up, but I will be going to Redline next change.

tjfdesmo said:

Not really "another", as I reported my results long ago. I already had this PUP in reserve, so I am using it up, but I will be going to Redline next change.

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What i meant was, i think you are the 3rd person that complained about amsoil 0w40 making their 6.4 noisy. And i am the o ly one so far that had consistant startup tic on it after 2,000 miles on it.