DIY: 2013+ RA3/RA4 8.4" Radio Conversion Upgrade

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    This thread has been created to show how to perform the 8.4 head unit upgrade project.

    Originally Posted by Mpgrimm2
    Managed to re-create the deleted thread posts from googles cached pages with help from 1500ram12!

    I take NO credit for any of this, just wanted to sum this info up for everyone here. All credit goes to Getupkid, Duneflyer, Mondo161, Cptwing, PJW67, and others for getting this project started and all their research.

    Be sure to thank Cptwing and Indaram for these original posts wherever you see them as well as the original folks who did all the work to figure this out...

    (again, I had nothing to do with it, I'm merely the tech secretary here that still had some files!)
    Originally Posted by Indaram
    Original post recreated/edited below
     
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    Converting a 2013+ (thru 2016) RA1/RA2 MTC bezel
    with 7 speed blower
    to a RA3/RA4 MTC bezel and Radio.


    NOTE:
    There is a confirmed working mod for those that have a 4 speed blower, see Cptwing's posts 3-8 for extra steps/parts for a 4 speed fan conversion.

    Parts Required For MOD:

    01. 8.4 Uconnect Radio (VP3/RA3 - Non-Nav) or (VP4/RA4 - Nav)
    ** For Compatible RA4 Radios see here. **Check car-part.com, Schram, ebay, etc.

    02. SINGLE ZONE OEM 8.4" (MTC) BEZEL: 1UJ96DX9AF (AC, AD, AE, etc)
    ** Optional: DUAL ZONE 8.4" (ATC) BEZEL, while not preferred, will work. See post 16

    03. Base to 8.4 Radio Conversion Harness (7 speed Fan specific models):
    . . See below to make your own in standard or extended length
    . . (or get one from: M² Mods )

    NOTE: See Posts 6 & 7 (from 4spd conversion) for pictures of factory HVAC Module location using extended harness.

    04. HVAC Control Module: 68268186Ax (AB, AC, etc) (7 speed Fan specific models)
    ** (also replaces 68183973Ax, 68236772Ax, etc. See here)

    05. 911 Error Fix/Cell Bypass Plug: (or SharkFin Antenna mod)
    . . See note 1 (below) to make your own or get one from M² Mods (or online elsewhere for more).

    [​IMG] on Flickr

    Quick Instruction Sheet References:
    - 2013-2017 8.4 Conv for 7 Speed Fan Trucks 7-6-17.pdf <----- RECOMMENDED READING
    - 2013-2016 Ram Radio Removal 6-27-16.pdf
    - 2013-2016 Ram RearView Mirror (w/mics) Upgrade & Harness install 7-8-16.pdf

    Optional parts (Verified for 2013-2016 trucks)
    - RA2 style Manual Dim Mirror w/mics: - 68102484AA (Recommended) (2013-2016 Trucks)
    . . . (Man. Mirror Mount Covers: Upper - 1ZA38DX9AA & Lower - 1YW11DX9AA )
    . . or 911/Assist AutoDimming Mirror: - 68096091AF (Req's Sales Code) (2013-2016 Trucks)
    . . . (AutoDim Mirror Mount Covers: Upper - 1ZA39DX9AA & Lower - 1YW13DX9AB )
    . . or 911/AutoDim w/AutoHighBeam Mirror: - 68096094AA (Req's Sales Code)
    . . . (AutoDim w/AutoHighBeam Covers: Upper - 1ZA39DX9AA & Lower - 1YW14DX9AC )
    - Mirror Header harness (Standard): - 68207372AB
    - Mirror Header harness (w/Clearance Lts): - 68186009AC
    - Antenna Cable Body Cell & SDARS "QUAD/CREW" (Rear cab Ant): - 68148279AD
    - Antenna Cable Body Cell & SDARS (Front Cab Ant): - 68148260AC
    - Antenna Jumper Cable: - 68148258AD
    - Shark Fin Antenna: - 5091278AC
    - SD Card Media Hub: - 68096428AD
    - VR/Phone Button (for steering wheel) - 56054449AA

    NOTE 1:
    You can omit the Antenna body cable, Antenna jumper cable, and shark fin antenna if you get a Bypass Plug from: M² Mods)

    Or you can make your own using the following parts (search ebay and amazon for these)
    Farka D connector/Pigtail with 2 to 6 inch lead
    10k Ohm Resistor with 5% tolerance, 1/2 watt.

    Just solder one end of the resistor to the center wire and the other end to the wire shielding. Tape it up with electrical tape or heat shrink it.

    A. RA4 Mod Before & After.jpg
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    B. Standard vs Extended Conversion Harness.jpg
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    Connectors & Pins to Make Conversion Harness
    (Use attached wire diagram and pin-out below)
    06. 24 Pin Connector 1: 1318917-1 TE Connectivity | Mouser
    07. 24 Pin Connector 1 - (F) Sockets: 1123343-1 TE Connectivity / AMP | Mouser
    08. 24 Pin Connector 2: 1376103-1 TE Connectivity | Mouser
    09. 24 Pin Connector 2 - (M) Pins: 1376109-1 TE Connectivity / AMP | Mouser
    10. 08 Pin Female - Connector: 30700-1081 Molex | Mouser
    11. 08 Pin Female - (F) Sockets: 1393366-1 TE Connectivity / AMP | Mouser

    Connector/harness Reference:
    - 8 Pin Center Stack HVAC Conn 0307001081 AS-30700-000 Series Instruction Sheet.pdf
    - 24 Pin HVAC TEconn 025series Instruction Sheet 411-5928_G4.pdf
    - Cptwing's harness making notes at Post 9
    - Mpgrimm2 Harness Soldering Notes at Post 13

    12. 22 AWG stranded wire
    .... (Short harness w/HVAC module behind radio bezel = approx. 18" lengths)
    .... (Ext'd harness w/module at factory location behind pass. air vent/glove box = approx. 50" main & 18" 8pin lengths)


    13. Crimp tool to crimp the pins on the wire. (Check Amazon & Ebay for wire and crimp tool)
    .... See post 12 for some notes on possible crimpers.

    Harness Pinout
    24 Pin Connecter (2014)
    Pin 01 to Pin 01 (Also needs to splice over to Pin 4 on 8 Pin Connector)
    Pin 02 to Pin 02
    Pin 03 to Pin 06
    Pin 04 to Pin 05
    Pin 05 to Pin 04
    Pin 06 Blank
    Pin 07 to Pin 13
    Pin 08 on Moves to Pin 2 on 8 Pin Connector
    Pin 09 to Pin 07
    Pin 10 to Pin 08
    Pin 11 Blank
    Pin 12 to Pin 10
    Pin 13 to Pin 9
    Pin 14 to Pin 14 (Also needs to splice over to Pin 3 on 8 Pin Connector)
    Pin 15 to Pin 15
    Pin 16 to Pin 16
    Pin 17 to Pin 17
    Pin 18 to Pin 18
    Pin 19 to Pin 19
    Pin 20 to Pin 20
    Pin 21 to Pin 21
    Pin 22 to Pin 22
    Pin 23 to Pin 23 (Also needs to splice over to Pin 5 on 8 Pin Connector)
    Pin 24 to Pin 24 (Also needs to splice over to Pin 1 on 8 Pin Connector)

    CptWing RA4 Conversion Harness layout - 7spd w/Mpg2 Edits 4-16-17.jpg

    [​IMG] on Flickr

    D. Reference for the different HVAC module pinouts per 2014 truck 1500 model:
    2014 24 Pin HVAC C1 Conn Compare.jpg

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    Converting a 2013+ (thru 2016) RA1/RA2 MTC bezel
    with 4 speed blower
    to a RA3/RA4 MTC bezel and Radio.

    NOTE:
    The conversion for the 7 speed factory fan set up while similar is different and involves not only a different HVAC module but the pinouts for the conversion harness are also slightly different.

    Parts Required For MOD:

    01. 8.4 Uconnect Radio (VP3/RA3 - Non-Nav) or (VP4/RA4 - Nav)
    ** For Compatible RA4 Radios see here. **Check car-part.com, Schram, ebay, etc.

    02. SINGLE ZONE OEM 8.4" (MTC) BEZEL: 1UJ96DX9AF (AC, AD, AE, etc)
    ** Optional: DUAL ZONE 8.4" (ATC) BEZEL, while not preferred, will work. See post 16

    03. Base to 8.4 Radio Conversion Harness (4 speed Fan specific):
    . . See below to make your own in standard or extended length
    . . (or get one from: M² Mods )

    04. HVAC CONTROL MODULE: 68105017Ax (AA, AB, etc) (4 to 7 speed Fan specific)
    . . ** If you use the wrong module (ie xxxx8186Ax = no A/C, or xxxx8187Ax = No A/C & 6 vs 7 fan speeds)

    05. Fan Motor Power/Resistor Harness: 68048906AA (Req's Modification)
    . . (or see DeereGuy's write-up of 00R/T's notes to make your own at roll-up posts 1765-1766 or get one ready to go at M² Mods)

    06. 7spd Blower Resistor: 68048901AA (same as Denso PN 499300-2121) See ebay ad and Post 51 )

    07. 911 Error Fix/Cell Bypass Plug: (or SharkFin Antenna mod)
    . . See note 1 (below) to make your own or get one from M² Mods.

    [​IMG] on Flickr

    Quick Instruction Sheet References:
    - 2013-2017 8.4 Conv for 4 Speed Fan Trucks 7-6-17.pdf <----- RECOMMENDED READING
    - 2013-2016 Ram Radio Removal 6-27-16.pdf
    - 2013-2016 Ram RearView Mirror (w/mics) Upgrade & Harness install 7-8-16.pdf

    Optional parts
    - PLEASE SEE POST 2

    NOTE 1:
    You can omit the Antenna body cable, Antenna jumper cable, and shark fin antenna if you get the Bypass Plug from M² Mods

    Or you can make your own using the following parts (search ebay and amazon for these)
    Farka D connector/Pigtail with 2 to 6 inch lead
    10k Ohm Resistor with 5% tolerance, 1/2 watt.

    Just solder one end of the resistor to the center wire and the other end to the wire shielding. Tape it up with electrical tape or heat shrink it.

    Connectors & Pins to Make Conversion Harness
    08. 24 Pin Connector 1: 1318917-1 TE Connectivity | Mouser
    09. 24 Pin Connector 1 - (F) Sockets: 1123343-1 TE Connectivity / AMP | Mouser
    10. 24 Pin Connector 2: 1376103-1 TE Connectivity | Mouser
    11. 24 Pin Connector 2 - (M) Pins: 1376109-1 TE Connectivity / AMP | Mouser
    12. 08 Pin Female - Connector: 30700-1081 Molex | Mouser
    13. 08 Pin Female - (F) Sockets: 1393366-1 TE Connectivity / AMP | Mouser

    Connector/Harness Reference:
    - 8 Pin Center Stack HVAC Conn 0307001081 AS-30700-000 Series Instruction Sheet.pdf
    - 24 Pin HVAC TEconn 025series Instruction Sheet 411-5928_G4.pdf
    - Cptwing's harness making notes at Post 9
    - Mpgrimm2 Harness Soldering Notes at Post 13

    14. Wire 22 gauge 50.0 inches long QTY of 20
    15. Wire 22 gauge 18.0 inches long QTY of 5
    16. Electrical tape one roll should be enough
    17. Wire ties
    18. Heat Shrink
    19. Solder/Soldering Iron
    20. Split Wire loom or Nylon Braided Sleeving

    Along with this you will need the following:
    21. Wire strippers..
    22. Crimpers double roll type recommend ratchet type
    .... See post 12 for some notes on possible crimpers.
    23. Heat gun
    24. Small awl or similar tool to de pin connector

    Here is a shot of every thing needed except that some tools are not shown.
    dscn0418 - 4spd parts layout.jpg
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    The diagram shown below details the conversion harness and pinouts of the various connectors, what is not shown and will be addressed later is how part 1 above ties into it, at pin 17 on the module side.

    CptWing RA4 Conversion Harness layout - 4spd w/Mpg2 Edits 4-16-17.jpg

    [​IMG]

    And after a bit of work and eye strain your harness should look something like this

    dscn0425 - Complete Extended 4spd Conversion harness.jpg
    [​IMG] on Flickr
     
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    Next, the item 05. harness (purchased Fan Power/Resistor Harness) will need to be stripped down to retain only the needed parts. Here it is before mods...

    dscn0471 - 68048906AA - Before - Fan Motor Power Resistor Harness.jpg
    (updated picture, thanks JRG18) of the Fan Power Harness (as purchased) with added notes.
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    In order to prep the bought harness (item 05), we must de-pin connector i32A (mis-ID'd as 132A), to do this you need to remove (release position) the TPA (terminal position assurance) the red thing. Then using a small jewelers screw driver pry back the locking tab and pull out the wire and pin.

    Here is the connector and TPA (From later pictures).
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    Here is the stripped down unpinned harness item 05, this is what you will use the rest will be discarded.
    dscn0471 - 68048906AA - MODDED Fan Motor Power Resistor Harness.jpg
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    The stripped down Fan Power harness (item 05) connects to the fabbed Conversion Harness (item 03) on the HVAC module side using the DB/LB 16 gauge wire that goes to pin 2 in the resistor plug. I cut this wire to 25.0 inches long and crimped a female pin on it for the 24 pin connector and inserted it into cavity number 17. Note this is a 16 gauge wire and these pins are not designed for wire this thick so you will only be able to crimp the stranded wire into the pin and not the insulation. The other alternative would be to crimp a pin on a smaller 22awg or 24awg wire and solder them together (or butt splice=less reliable).

    MPG edit: I think a 12" (i.e. 22Awg) pinned extension for pin 17 would allow better routing of the wire.
    Also recommend not shortening the wires.

    Next I cut the black ground wire coming out of the resistor plug to 20.0 inches long and crimped a 10 gauge ring connector onto the end and shrunk wrapped the connection.

    The DB wire coming out of cavity 3 of the resistor plug is not to be cut. This wire is to be used to re-pin the existing i32A (prev. mis-ID'd as 132A) connector on your truck. I looped the excess wire back and taped it off.

    . . (or see DeereGuy's write-up of 00R/T's notes to make your own at roll-up posts 1765-1766 or get one ready to go at M² Mods)

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    Here is a diagram of how the harnesses are interconnected (thanks Mondo161):
    2013-2016 8.4 Blower Mtr & 4Spd ConvHarness Connections - Mpg Edit.jpg

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    Here is the complete, combined and finished harness ready to be installed
    MPG NOTE: You may find it easier to connect the fan harness' Pin 17 to the conversion harness after both are 99% installed
    (its up to you)

    dscn0494 - Cptwing - RA4 4spd Combined harnesses.jpg
    [​IMG]
     
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    Now for the install,

    First disconnect the battery, remove the following; center stack (and radio for access), cardboard bottom located under lower glove box, lower glove box and upper glove box cavity (door does not need to be removed), passengers side kick panel and passengers side dashboard end trim piece.

    Note: Removing/Installing the radio and bezel are not covered here as there are several places on YouTube/internet that cover it (Separate instruction sheet available in post 3).

    Mpgrimm2's panel/prep notes:

    Radio C1 Connector Latch
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    Once the center stack and RA1/RA2 are removed, you will need to swap out the old bezel/HVAC controls for the RA3/RA4 (8.4A/AN) bezel. Set this aside until later.
    8.4 Bezel Back2
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    Lower Glovebox release and HVAC Module Passenger Side dash cover
    Glovebox & Side Panel
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    Passenger Side Kick Panel/Door Sill (PAY ATTENTION)
    20160102_153909_HDR
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    Code:
    http://www.ramforum.com/f75/diy_5_0_8_4_navigation_upgrade-64564/index9.html
    Now for the parts install...

    To install module slide it in through the lower glovebox cavity and position the two hex head screw into the keyhole cut outs in the dashboard sub structure and slide forward and tighten see below.

    Make sure to orient with plug farthest forward to clear lower glove box when operating, see 3rd photo on this post.
    HVAC Module and Factory Location.jpg (Notice the two key hole slots)
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    Resistor & HVAC Modules factory locations.jpg
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    Now to install the harness we have to first replace the existing resistor with the new one (part 3), remove the 2 phillips head screws securing the existing one and replace it with the new one using the existing screws.

    Here is the existing resistor prior to removal
    20160102_122844.jpg
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    And here are the two resistors...

    Mondo161 Manual 4 Pin Fan Resistor 2015-03-07 2023_52_27.jpg
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    Mondo161 7spd AUTO FAN ModuleResistor 2015-03-07 2023_52_01.jpg
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    Mpgrimm2 7spd Blower Resistor 68048901AA w Denso PN 499300-2121.jpg
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    I took this picture while mocking up the harness.
    dscn0427 - Module & harness testing.jpg
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    CONTINUED ON POST 89
     
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    Code:
    http://www.ramforum.com/f75/diy_5_0_8_4_navigation_upgrade-64564/index9.html
    Now to install the harness; unplug the existing connector from the motor and tape it off along with the existing resistor plug they will not be used. Then uplug connector i32A (prev. mis-ID'd as 132A) and replace the wire located in cavity 7 with the one in the new harness, this is the 10 gauge wire you unpinned from part 1.

    Reference Locations:
    20160102_122948
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    Connector i32A Before:
    20160102_123220.jpg
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    Backside view of i32A-7:
    20160102_123345.jpg
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    Connector i32A - TPA lock and Pin7 Release point:
    132A Locks.jpg
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    Connector i32A with pin 7 wire removed
    20160102_123953_HDR.jpg
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    Heat shrink label
    20160102_125520.jpg
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    Old i32A-7 taped out of way:
    20160102_130345.jpg
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    Here is connector i32A after I switched the wire in cavity 7
    20160102_140440.jpg
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    Attach black 10 gauge ground wire ring terminal to body bolt location as indicated earlier.
    dscn01000.jpg


    Plug new harness into resistor and motor.
    dscn0497.jpg
    Here is the new fan harness and upgraded resistor to enable 7 speeds.
    (NOTE: The split wire loom will protect the wires from damage by nearby bolt/threads)
    20160102_140544.jpg
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    Plug harness into module and begin routing it to radio bezel along the same route as the existing body harness and SDAR / Cell antenna leads. The new harness is shown wrapped in corrugated split loom.
    dscn0502.jpg

    dscn0463 - - Factory HVAC Module Location Inside View.jpg
    20160102_144648.jpg
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    dscn0462 - Extended Harness Routing.jpg
    20160102_144733.jpg
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    Another view as routed, looking through the upper glove box.:
    20160102_144829_HDR.jpg
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    CONTINUED ON POST 90
     
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    Finish routing the harness into the center stack area and plug the 24 pin connector on the harness into the existing 24 pin connector on the truck. Plug in the connectors you previously unplugged and also plug in the 8 pin plug into you new bezel.

    Harness coming in behind bezel:
    20160102_144747.jpg
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    Reconnect battery and test everything and ensure it is working correctly. Reassemble your truck

    And here is the bezel installed while testing harness showing all 7 fan speeds, yes that's right the fan now has seven speeds it seems to push more air and is quieter.
    dscn0430.jpg
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    And here is the finished job! Every thing on the bezel works as it should. Works perfectly!
    20160102_164049.jpg
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    Oh and prior to bundling it up I tried two other bezels I had. Both are dual zone with auto climate control. They also worked except for the actual dual zone or auto climate control functions. The drivers side temp switches were active to control the temp, but the passengers side temp buttons did nothing. Otherwise they were fully functional. Just something to think about if you already have an auto climate control bezel and do not want to buy another one. SEE HERE.
    Enjoy


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    Here is a before shot with OEM bezel (Radio Testing)
    20151230_105421.jpg
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    http://www.ramforum.com/f75/diy_-_oem_5_0_radio_8_4_radio_upgrade-66196/index5.html

    Cptwing's notes for making the conversion harness

    Indaram's - DIY - OEM 5.0 Radio to 8.4 Radio Upgrade
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    Mpg2 Edit:
    Reference for the 8.4 Radio Connectors
    Ram 8.4AN RA4 Back Connectors.jpg
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    Indaram's - DIY - OEM 5.0 Radio to 8.4 Radio Upgrade
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