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corneileous

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My eD is in the shop now with crank or bearing fail. Looking like 4 months too replace engine. 60k miles. Loved the truck but will sell it. Talked with parts mgr. sounds like early engines had some problems. Don't call ram customer service. I'm sorry is all you get.

Dammit man. Sorry to hear about the ****** news. That gonna be on your dime or theirs?


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The ecodiesel is definitely without any doubt, quieter than the Hemi. My neighbor and I compared his stock off the shelf 2016 hemi my Eco, and it wasn't even a contest. They are almost dead equal in decibels (measured with the iPhone app) on the outside while standing 5' in front of the truck They sound very different, but same decibels. Inside the truck, the Eco blew the Hemi away, much to the shock of both of us. I don't recall the exact numbers but it was something like 10% quieter at idle, and closer to 20% quieter when running 30mph.

First off, they purposely make the Hemi louder so it sounds "cool". This is especially evident when running 30mph +. Secondly, I think they might have added more sound deadening on the eco, but that is just a guess ?

I'm just seeing this...but then again, I didn't have my ED until Jan of this year.

Engine noise between the ED and 5.7? Wow...that's a hard one to describe. First off, I lived daily with a 5.7 2014 for a few weeks shy of 4 years...so I know that truck well. As far as noise? I'll have to break it down:

Cold idle:
-The 5.7 exhaust is loud when cold. Morning start ups, the exhaust is pretty stout, almost as if it had an aftermarket muffler on it.
-The ED cackles like a cement mixer full of gravel when cold, exhaust noise is nonexistent but the engine is typical diesel loud.

Warm idle:
-The 5.7 is really muted when warm at idle...really low rumble
-The ED has that faint diesel cackle when sitting idling.

Cold/in town driving:
-The 5.7 made quite a bit of cab noise with my '14. It was never intrusive, but it was notable at all times.
-The cackle gravel of the ED will continue until it is warm.

Warm-in town driving:
-The 5.7 is the same warm as it is cold.
-The ED cackle goes away 80%, the slight woosh/hiss of the turbo can then be heard. The blow off is slightly notable

Warm highway driving:
-The 5.7 is pretty notable on the highway. Nothing annoying in the slightest, but it can be heard.
-The ED is nearly silent...almost zero engine noise (which is crazy).
 

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I purchased a used 2016 1500 with the Ecodiesel 14 months ago and love it. The vehicle had 31000 miles when I purchased it and have only had one issue, shortly after purchasing I started loosing coolant, no external leaks and no milky oil. I suspected the EGR cooler and the dealer verified it. Fortunately I bought a service contract and the repair only cost me $100 deductlble as the emissions warranty is only 24K Miles. My guess is that failure occured with the prior owner and was not disclosed to the dealer. My Ram has the 3.92 rear end which was not my first choice but have become very pleased as I put over 2500 miles per year towing my boat back and forth to MN for the summer months. Fuel mileage fully loaded with the boat, bikes and misc other stuff filling the back of the truck I average between 17 and 19 MPG depending on how fast I drive. When I'm not towing this truck will get up to 28MPG if I run between 65 and 70 mph. I now have almost 60K miles and am very happy I made this choice. I will definitely purchase another one in a couple of years.
 

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I purchased a used 2016 1500 with the Ecodiesel 14 months ago and love it. The vehicle had 31000 miles when I purchased it and have only had one issue, shortly after purchasing I started loosing coolant, no external leaks and no milky oil. I suspected the EGR cooler and the dealer verified it. Fortunately I bought a service contract and the repair only cost me $100 deductlble as the emissions warranty is only 24K Miles. My guess is that failure occured with the prior owner and was not disclosed to the dealer. My Ram has the 3.92 rear end which was not my first choice but have become very pleased as I put over 2500 miles per year towing my boat back and forth to MN for the summer months. Fuel mileage fully loaded with the boat, bikes and misc other stuff filling the back of the truck I average between 17 and 19 MPG depending on how fast I drive. When I'm not towing this truck will get up to 28MPG if I run between 65 and 70 mph. I now have almost 60K miles and am very happy I made this choice. I will definitely purchase another one in a couple of years.

So how is it with the DEF, the EGR crap and the particulate filter? How about the maintenance of oil changes and the regen cleaning? I think in a lot of ways I would have liked to try an Ecodiesel but I just was wasn’t thrilled at all about all that emissions BS because of other vehicles horror stories ranging from big rigs to light duty pickups That, and the typically higher maintenance cost that usually comes with a diesel so I just simply settled with a Hemi. Although I don’t pull with mine near as much as you do with yours, that 28 mpg is what caught my interest.


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My eD is in the shop now with crank or bearing fail. Looking like 4 months too replace engine. 60k miles. Loved the truck but will sell it. Talked with parts mgr. sounds like early engines had some problems. Don't call ram customer service. I'm sorry is all you get.




Here is what my oil pan looked like at 48,000 miles. Dealer tried to tell me it was the water pump going bad. Took me 6 months to the day to get it back. Rod and main bearings were gone


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So how is it with the DEF, the EGR crap and the particulate filter? How about the maintenance of oil changes and the regen cleaning? I think in a lot of ways I would have liked to try an Ecodiesel but I just was wasn’t thrilled at all about all that emissions BS because of other vehicles horror stories ranging from big rigs to light duty pickups That, and the typically higher maintenance cost that usually comes with a diesel so I just simply settled with a Hemi. Although I don’t pull with mine near as much as you do with yours, that 28 mpg is what caught my interest.


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45k on mine now. In 2 years, the "Regen" message came up on my display once, it was there for 3 minutes while I was driving. Oil changes are the EXACT same price as any gas vehicles I own, except they are 10,000 miles apart instead of 3 or 4k apart. Not sure what "emissions BS" your referring to, but mine is quieter, cleaner (no exhaust visible), than any other truck I've ever owned. I've filled my DEF tank twice so far, it took 5 minutes to poor $20 worth (5 gallons) of DEF fluid in. And best of all?? My old F-150screw averaged 12 miles per gallon, my Ecodiesel is averaging 24 MPG, and that money I am taking to the bank!!! ;)
 

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I know 2 people that have purchased high-option eco diesels. One was just bought back by DCX and the other burned down to the chassis on the drive home after having the engine replaced. Both trucks had less than 10,000 miles on them.
 

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45k on mine now. In 2 years, the "Regen" message came up on my display once, it was there for 3 minutes while I was driving. Oil changes are the EXACT same price as any gas vehicles I own, except they are 10,000 miles apart instead of 3 or 4k apart. Not sure what "emissions BS" your referring to, but mine is quieter, cleaner (no exhaust visible), than any other truck I've ever owned. I've filled my DEF tank twice so far, it took 5 minutes to poor $20 worth (5 gallons) of DEF fluid in. And best of all?? My old F-150screw averaged 12 miles per gallon, my Ecodiesel is averaging 24 MPG, and that money I am taking to the bank!!! ;)

What I mean by emissions BS is pretty much anything put on a diesel-powered vehicle that’s related to the particulate filter on the exhaust, all the sensors, igniters, burners, the DEF system, EGR valve- that was mandated by that clean diesel act of 2007.


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Just finished reading the thread...are the 2018's the same or have they fixed some of the issues brought up in this thread?
 

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Warm highway driving:
-The 5.7 is pretty notable on the highway. Nothing annoying in the slightest, but it can be heard.
-The ED is nearly silent...almost zero engine noise (which is crazy).

You didn't mention how much quieter the EcoDiesel is when pulling a trailer.
You hear a little bit of engine rpms but compared to a gasser... still practically zero
 

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Just finished reading the thread...are the 2018's the same or have they fixed some of the issues brought up in this thread?




Only thing that has been changed is what weight oil is recommended and some computer parameters that supposedly do not effect performance or longevity.
 

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Bought mine new. They do have a higher early failure rate seems about 3 percent before 100k. Fortunately they have a 100k warranty instead of the standard 60k. Ram doesn't seem to be giving people a hard time with it normally paying tow providing a loaner and a whole brand new engine. Mine averages 22-23 around town, 28-30 at 65 mph, 22-23 at 80 to 85 mph, 15 towing a double axle Airstream or 14 with a double axle box TT at 65. Mine is a 4WD with the GDE tune & 3.92. I couldn't believe it used less fuel than the 4 cylinder work car that it replaced. Checking fuelly you can see hands down these things get better mileage than any other pick up.

Shortly after buying this truck I ended up contracting to deliver Airstream TTs from the Mfg local to my home here in Ohio to dealerships through out the country but mostly over the mountains and all over the the west coast. Out west we contract with Forrest River and Fineline boats. So I try to stay loaded going both directions sometimes also taking Harleys snowmobles and other motorcycles etc back to Chicago before dropping down to our staging lot in northern Indiana. Truck tows all day every day just like a semi. So I guess I have a unique usage experience.

Truck has 414,000 on it so far. At 371 it pushed out a head gasket and what made the most sense to me was to replace the engine as I could get it for $5500 and it came complete with new fuel pump injectors turbo everything plus a 24 month unlimited mileage warranty good at any Ram dealership nationwide. R&R was $1,500 and it was only down two days. Downtime is money. Transmission is original and a hugh improvement over the old 6 speed. Overall I have had very good luck with this truck and its a joy to drive.
 

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Good for you on the longevity of yours.

I also bought mine new. My problems started at 1300 miles with not wanting to regen correctly and giving warnings that engine would not restart after 500 miles. 28 months and 48k miles later after, thermostat replaced, water pump, BCU twice, ECU once, complete exhaust system from turbo back twice , and a leaking oil cooler that they never did get right, we got a new engine after it came apart at the dealership while it was in for yet another regen warning.

The 100k warranty is nice, and they always gave us something to drive. But after my engine was replaced the problems continued with the regen system.

The dealer had it for six months replacing the engine. I'm not joking. It was financed through Chrysler and after 3 months I refused to make anymore payments on it. Oddly enough when I put them in contact with the dealership manager, they didn't have a problem with me not making payments anymore. Makes you wonder.


Anyways I liked it I have no complaints on the performance or fuel mileage. But when my lawyer added up all the days it was at the shop getting repaired from the dealer documents, it was there over 9 months out of the 28 that we had it. Not a very good investment.
 

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Wow you did get a lemon. Curious some dealerships have no idea how to repair these things. Did your dealership have a VM certified diesel tech? Seems the bigger dealerships that sells lots of diesels know how to actually repair these things and the city car oriented dealerships just throw parts at them. Sort of like you can get a family doctor or a cancer specialist.
 

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Wow you did get a lemon. Curious some dealerships have no idea how to repair these things. Did your dealership have a VM certified diesel tech? Seems the bigger dealerships that sells lots of diesels know how to actually repair these things and the city car oriented dealerships just throw parts at them. Sort of like you can get a family doctor or a cancer specialist.



Couldn't get lemon law to go through. The dealership word the paper work just right. Like saying it was this spot was fixed , now it is leaking from a different spot. Not the same problem.

Dont know about the mechanic .
 

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What I mean by emissions BS is pretty much anything put on a diesel-powered vehicle that’s related to the particulate filter on the exhaust, all the sensors, igniters, burners, the DEF system, EGR valve- that was mandated by that clean diesel act of 2007.


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Oh, I know what you meant. You ARE aware, there is actually more of this "stuff" on the gasser models, right? LOL! The entire "todays high tech diesels" are more complicated than gas motors is really a joke. While these new lightweight diesel motors are a bit more complicated than the old cast iron oil leakers of the past, they are still less complicated than the new gassers.
 

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Oh, I know what you meant. You ARE aware, there is actually more of this "stuff" on the gasser models, right? LOL! The entire "todays high tech diesels" are more complicated than gas motors is really a joke. While these new lightweight diesel motors are a bit more complicated than the old cast iron oil leakers of the past, they are still less complicated than the new gassers.

Um, I heavily disagree. Gas motors don’t have a highly technical, on board gas fired oven commonly known as a particulate filter/burner on the exhaust like diesels do. Nor do they have a DEF tank/ejector. High pressure injector pumps. Extra filters.

Gas motors have always been a clean burning engine for many many years. Diesel engines, for only about the last 11.

Ever since about 2007, diesel motors have become far more complicated and have a lot more going on.


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Oh, I know what you meant. You ARE aware, there is actually more of this "stuff" on the gasser models, right? LOL! The entire "todays high tech diesels" are more complicated than gas motors is really a joke. While these new lightweight diesel motors are a bit more complicated than the old cast iron oil leakers of the past, they are still less complicated than the new gassers.


i think you have it backwards, gas motors only share 2 of the 4 smog equipment stuff that diesels are forced to run right now

EGR and Catalytic Converter

Diesels have

EGR
Catalytic Converter
SCR - DEF
DPF

The new cars dont have any newer or more smog equipment, instead they are just shutting cylinders off and eliminating idling by having a start/stop function when you are idling.
 
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