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I know what I said ? I said their is no way it has 6900# axles, and I was right. I suspected 6k axles , but no way 6900, a base model Pw has a base curb weight of about 7400 pounds with a tank of gas. That makes more sense for the gvwr and payload capacity, it weighs about 2k more than a half ton, and has about 2k heavier axles. Now the math makes sense, it makes no sense to have a ratio like that on a 3/4 ton, if it did, the payload capacity would be quite a bit higher. Also , as I said the half ton has a combined axle rating of 7800 pounds but a gvwr of only 6900 that's 900 pounds less than combined axle carrying power, and its NOT do to springs, I suspect the same from the power wagon, but even more to combat the same ratio. That means it has a combined axle rating of 12400, less (x) comes out to 8500# gvwr, with the truck Weighing 7k# dry that leave it with 1500 pounds of payload. Adding heavier springs won't increase the gvwr nor will it increase the payload capacity. At least, that's what dodge says. I figured though, it should in theory have a much much higher gvwr AND payload by adding springs and bags, it has combined 12400 pound axles, same goes for the half ton.



My truck is a 15 2500 with the 5.7/4.10 combo. And is as fallows:
GVWR: 9,000
Max Payload: 2,370
Max Towing: 13,200
GCVW 20,300

Pretty sure I have a higher payload and towing cause I don't have the soft rear coils of a PW.


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with my toolbox, a full tank and myself she weighs in at 7,300lbs.


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15 PW with 6.4/4.10 combo is as fallows:

GVWR: 8,510
Payload: 1,480
Towing: 10,000
GCVW: 17,500


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My truck is a 15 2500 with the 5.7/4.10 combo. And is as fallows:
GVWR: 9,000
Max Payload: 2,370
Max Towing: 13,200
GCVW 20,300

Pretty sure I have a higher payload and towing cause I don't have the soft rear coils of a PW.


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I digress, I think you're incorrect. Payload and gvwr can not be altered by changing your suspension. This is a dodge , ford, chevy, and a warning on any springs you purchase from just about anywhere. Anyone able to pull a build sheet for a 2500 and a 2500 Pw and check the axle sizes ? Do they have the same axle ? Moreover on a normal 2500 what's the rawr gvwr listed as ? Is it 6200?
 

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I digress, I think you're incorrect. Payload and gvwr can not be altered by changing your suspension. This is a dodge , ford, chevy, and a warning on any springs you purchase from just about anywhere. Anyone able to pull a build sheet for a 2500 and a 2500 Pw and check the axle sizes ? Do they have the same axle ? Moreover on a normal 2500 what's the rawr gvwr listed as ? Is it 6200?
its 6900 so only 700 lbs difference so with air bags the pw can tow a decent load.as long as you don't go over the 6200 rear axle.or the gcvwr
 

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its 6900 so only 700 lbs difference so with air bags the pw can tow a decent load.as long as you don't go over the 6200 rear axle.or the gcvwr

I personally agree with you actually. But you're supposed to stay within the gvwr , rawr , and gvcwr, I think it's annoying. I'm over my gvwr but I'm under my rawr , so if we're looking at just raw weights on the rear axle I think the Pw can haul a crap load more than advertised. I have airbags in my half ton and I'm over my gvwr and I'm dead even. No sag
 

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Don't new PW use the 11.5 AAM?? I know they used to use the 10.5, but went up to the 11.5 found in the other 2500s. 3500s get the 11.8 AAM and all 4x4s have the 9.25 AAM front.


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My build sheet says I have the 9.25 front and 11.5 rear.
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I personally agree with you actually. But you're supposed to stay within the gvwr , rawr , and gvcwr, I think it's annoying. I'm over my gvwr but I'm under my rawr , so if we're looking at just raw weights on the rear axle I think the Pw can haul a crap load more than advertised. I have airbags in my half ton and I'm over my gvwr and I'm dead even. No sag
yes I'm over my gvwr with my trailer but not over my axle weight or my gcvwr. on my truck eg 7800 not 6900 lol
 

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yes I'm over my gvwr with my trailer but not over my axle weight or my gcvwr. on my truck eg 7800 not 6900 lol

Haha, that's one way to look at it, I second this!
 

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So here is a comparison between a 5.7/4.10/4x4 CCSB combo
6.4/4.10/4x4 CCSB combo &
6.4/4.10/PW combo

These all have 11.5 Rear axles and 9.25 front axles. All with 4.10 gears, same frame, same cab configurations. Why is the GVWR different on each one? I'm a little confused


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Don't new PW use the 11.5 AAM?? I know they used to use the 10.5, but went up to the 11.5 found in the other 2500s. 3500s get the 11.8 AAM and all 4x4s have the 9.25 AAM front.


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2013 and older gas 2500's used the 10.5" rear. diesel 2500's had the 11.5". 2014+ all 2500's use the 11.5" rear. i could be mistaken on this but i thought that only the DRW 3500's got the 11.8" rear?
 

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2013 and older gas 2500's used the 10.5" rear. diesel 2500's had the 11.5". 2014+ all 2500's use the 11.5" rear. i could be mistaken on this but i thought that only the DRW 3500's got the 11.8" rear?



Wasn't sure if it was just the Duallys or just 1 tons. But those are the only 3 axles available right?


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Don't Power Wagons come with D-range Duratracs too? That would be another big reason, in conjunction with the softer springs, for lower payload and towing.
 

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Don't Power Wagons come with D-range Duratracs too? That would be another big reason, in conjunction with the softer springs, for lower payload and towing.

the max load rating of the duratracs combined is more then the GAWR for the rear axle, so i dont think its a limiting factor. i believe they went with a d-rated tire since theres not much reason to put an e-rated tire on a truck with such a low payload/towing capacity. i cant imagine they wouldnt go with e-rated tire if it would mean an increase in towing capacity with no effects on offroad capabilities.
 

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Don't Power Wagons come with D-range Duratracs too? That would be another big reason, in conjunction with the softer springs, for lower payload and towing.

They wouldn't alter an official payload gvwr limitation because of the tires it came from from the factory. Payload can not be increased with aftermarket or even OEM parts. It wouldn't matter if it came with E rated tires , better springs, etc, the payload is the payload, for whatever reason that's what it is. The reason is moot, it can't be changed.
 
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