Ford gets new 7.3 Gasser...will Ram respond?

[PatinAZ]

My motto when trailering is "never pass gas".

 

[swapwap]

I’m not fan of 10 or anything more than 6 speed tranny, it’s just government policy run amuck and costing us a fortune to fix the damn thing with it breaks which far in excess of any potential gas mileage saving, as for 7.4 gasser? Why not 9”4, 11.4. Where does it end? Honestly it’s much more than a gasser truck needs, btw, diesels were may favorite until the gubmint added all the stupid sulfur replacement things and turbos aren’t as good as they use to be and don’t last nearly as long as a motor. This stupid so called environmental saving crap put on diesel have all but destroyed them. Don’t get me started on the ridiculous prices we are now having to pay for a gubmint spcertified diesel in America.....

I just wish quality was more important than having a so called bigger motor, we all know with properly engineered, a 5. Anything can be a beast.

 

[CMV157]

I'm excited about the new attention to the gas HD segment. Ram has 2 issues. First, their 1500 5.7 is way behind the times. It gets beat up by the ford 3.5, 2.7 and even the 5.0. The 6.2 GM motor eats it's lunch too. So they have to do something there, and fast. And to top things off, they will soon be a bit behind the others in the gas HD arena. Personally, I wish one of these companies would have gone with a small boosted V8 instead of just more and more displacement. I get the longevity and reliability needs of the HD segment, maybe that is the issue but I would think it could be overcome these days. I've driven some 8 speed trucks and really like the versatility over the 6 speeds so I'm good with that, although I do think a 10 speed may be taking it a bit too far.

 

[Moparfanatic21]

FCA said they are working on a 575 HP (no they're numbers) 7.0L Hemi

 

[Moparfanatic21]

I’m not fan of 10 or anything more than 6 speed tranny, it’s just government policy run amuck and costing us a fortune to fix the damn thing with it breaks which far in excess of any potential gas mileage saving, as for 7.4 gasser? Why not 9”4, 11.4. Where does it end? Honestly it’s much more than a gasser truck needs, btw, diesels were may favorite until the gubmint added all the stupid sulfur replacement things and turbos aren’t as good as they use to be and don’t last nearly as long as a motor. This stupid so called environmental saving crap put on diesel have all but destroyed them. Don’t get me started on the ridiculous prices we are now having to pay for a gubmint spcertified diesel in America.....

I just wish quality was more important than having a so called bigger motor, we all know with properly engineered, a 5. Anything can be a beast.

I owned 5 diesels ranging from 96-18 (all Cummins) and was never impressed but that is me

 

[Fitz-0518]

Many wise members on this post have made the point. We don't need a 7.0 Hemi any more than Ford needs a 7.3 bored out 351. What we the customers need and want is attention to quality. Get the fat ass Division managers out in the field talking to dealers, customers and line assembly techs. Fix the exhaust leaks and valve train issues. Hold the managers bonus hostage if they do not perform.

 

[PatinAZ]

We don't need MDS either.

 

[Fearfact]

Many wise members on this post have made the point. We don't need a 7.0 Hemi any more than Ford needs a 7.3 bored out 351. What we the customers need and want is attention to quality. Get the fat ass Division managers out in the field talking to dealers, customers and line assembly techs. Fix the exhaust leaks and valve train issues. Hold the managers bonus hostage if they do not perform.

And to keep the manual transmission option...


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[theviking]

FCA said they are working on a 575 HP (no they're numbers) 7.0L Hemi

Everything I've read in the past few days says the 7.0 has been shelved for now. At least in Ram trucks.

 

[wyo2track]

I don't know how many 6.4L Hemi equipped trucks RAM is able to sell in the 3500, 4500, & 5500 cab & chassis platforms with their different upfitter solutions, but the only way I see them developing a larger V8 gas motor is if they feel they can significantly increase their take in these platforms with a larger V8 gasser offering.

 

[Moparfanatic21]

Everything I've read in the past few days says the 7.0 has been shelved for now. At least in Ram trucks.

Wouldn't surprise me lol

 

[mohemipar]

Everything I've read in the past few days says the 7.0 has been shelved for now. At least in Ram trucks.

I heard this too. Bummer. Well here's hoping they still put them in the Dodges. N/A version would be so much fun. Can't freakin show us the Hellephant crate engine and then give us no production versions !!

 

[theviking]

Sometimes I think FCA has quietly decided to abandon the Hemi architecture. Very little new development or improvements outside of the high dollar SRT stuff. Ford's 7.3 may force them to reconsider but based upon the Allpar conversations this won't happen anytime soon.

 

[mohemipar]

Sometimes I think FCA has quietly decided to abandon the Hemi architecture. Very little new development or improvements outside of the high dollar SRT stuff. Ford's 7.3 may force them to reconsider but based upon the Allpar conversations this won't happen anytime soon.

It could be possible that they are (were?) planning to basically just keep the bat **** supercharged stuff at the top and drop the NA Hemis... In other words Hellcat/RedEye or Hellephant will be the only Hemis left. Drop the price of the original Hellcat a little bit to please the 392 crowd and then have a turbo 6 making around 400HP. They did just slash the starting MSRP on the Challenger Hellcat for 19 MY. But there is a pretty good sized niche of people who prefer simple N/A power. And they’ll be out in the cold with no 392 or 426. Who knows what they’ve got planned.

 

[Mr.AK902]

In all reality, is a larger gas engine really needed though? Sure, refine the 6.4 for modern improvements like any other piece of technology. As far as a whole new engine and the segment they are there to serve, most folks with a 6.4 purchase one because they're towing needs are just slightly above of 1/2 ton capacity. With my life experience towing, when you start hitting 15k, 20K and up in #'s, you wouldn't want to be doing it with a gasser, although it will. Diesel does it much more efficiently and is now rated into the 35K range.

That being said, I think all of the big 3 have drivetrains out currently that are more than capable of handling that 10K-20K range.... again, refinements will also be needed but I really don't see a reason for completely new engines with ground breaking changes for that segment as you quickly run into diesel territory and at the higher end of the spectrum, you start to sacrifice reliability and efficiencies. Kind of a tough range to be honest IMO.

 

[Scottly]

If they think it won't sell, they won't build it. Sorry, but this applies to that configuration you and your ten buddies at the bar swear they would buy...Which means they would sell eleven of them. If they didn't know what people would buy, they wouldn't be selling as many as they do.... Hard facts. Stick shifts didn't go away because they deemed it so. They went away because the buyers deemed it so.

 

[Mr.AK902]

If they think it won't sell, they won't build it. Sorry, but this applies to that configuration you and your ten buddies at the bar swear they would buy...Which means they would sell eleven of them. If they didn't know what people would buy, they wouldn't be selling as many as they do.... Hard facts. Stick shifts didn't go away because they deemed it so. They went away because the buyers deemed it so.

Couldn't agree more.

 

[theviking]

Just like big numbers help sell diesels, the same will inevitably be true for gassers. 500 ft/lbs and 10 speeds is going to pull both diesel and gas sales away from the competition. IMO, as diesels get more costly and complex people who don't need to tow 15k+ frequently will continue to consider gas models. The investment in a 426 Hemi should be minimal (since it's basically a crank swap) and would at least bump the torque rating considerably. You wold also get all the positive marketing behind releasing a new "426 Hemi".

I personally would be happy to see continued investment in any of the Hemi motors. The current 5.7 has remained basically unchanged since Moses was alive. The SRT 392 was released in 2011 and even our beloved BGE HD motor is now going into its 6th year without an update. Thankfully they finally put the 8 speed in an HD and I look forward to seeing the test results. But can't help but think FCA has moved on from the Hemi or at least pulled development funds while they focus on other projects.

 

[Scottly]

The current 5.7 has remained basically unchanged since Moses was alive. .

I bought one in 2003, the first year. Short bed, regular cab...9mpg on a good day. Long time ago.

 

[theviking]

As did I, except it was a CCSB. And no, mileage wasn't its strong suit In retrospect I should have bought the Cummins as it would have been worth close to double when I sold it.