Incessant problems with 2019 Ram 1500 Laramie - Terrible Ownership Experience

Disclaimer: Links on this page pointing to Amazon, eBay and other sites may include affiliate code. If you click them and make a purchase, we may earn a small commission.

likes2build

Senior Member
Joined
Jun 12, 2018
Posts
1,222
Reaction score
1,151
Location
Mohawk Valley, NY
Ram Year
2018 Express RCSB
Engine
3.6 Pentastar
Somehow I'm curious why it seems like you're getting some extra stress here about a decision you and your attorney have made on how to handle your own situation. Your choice seems reasonable to me, run with it and concentrate on your family. Your legal team will handle the rest and whatever happens is the way it's supposed to be.
 
OP
OP
F

fotomatt1

Senior Member
Joined
Mar 25, 2018
Posts
142
Reaction score
80
Location
Lehigh Valley, PA
Ram Year
2019 Laramie Crew Cab - Flame Red
Engine
5.7L HEMI
I don’t have extra stress over my decision. My extra stress is over the fact that nobody is even working on my truck so that I can drive it while this is going on, and that it’s getting more damaged by sitting outside in the rain for multiple days.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
 

likes2build

Senior Member
Joined
Jun 12, 2018
Posts
1,222
Reaction score
1,151
Location
Mohawk Valley, NY
Ram Year
2018 Express RCSB
Engine
3.6 Pentastar
I didn't mean you were stressing over your decision, just maybe over being questioned here on it. I think your decision is the absolute way to go.
 
Last edited:

JD Martin

Senior Member
Military
Joined
Jan 13, 2019
Posts
342
Reaction score
342
Location
Southeast
Ram Year
2019
Engine
5.7
I don’t have extra stress over my decision. My extra stress is over the fact that nobody is even working on my truck so that I can drive it while this is going on, and that it’s getting more damaged by sitting outside in the rain for multiple days.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
No, he means extra stress from dudes like me ;) . Actually, I don't think you plan on ever driving it again, as you are trying to lemon it, so who cares if it's getting soaked inside? It's not like you're ever taking it home again. You only have 9 days until you hit 30 days, and I'm pretty certain you'll get your 30 days in. It's probably to your benefit if the entire truck molds over inside, that would give you a better legal case.
 

1stRam1500

Junior Member
Joined
Oct 3, 2017
Posts
17
Reaction score
28
Location
Hiawassee, Ga
Ram Year
2020 Power Wagon
Engine
6.4
Why are you people giving fotomatt1 grief? This guy has a legit grievance with his truck. We should be giving him support, not questioning whether he stated a problem or not. I for one think this whole thing stinks. The dealer isn't interested, FCA doesn't appear interested and some of you guys are trying to make him feel bad for his decision. I think he is following his best coarse. We as fellow Ram owners need to support, not attack. We are supposed to be here to help. Sure, there is actually nothing we can do to help. We can try to encourage and suggest who to contact. I am very sorry for what fotomatt1 is dealing with, and hope FCA makes him whole with another truck and other considerations. He can then take that truck and get any other vehicle he cars to purchase. Just my 2 cents worth.
 
OP
OP
F

fotomatt1

Senior Member
Joined
Mar 25, 2018
Posts
142
Reaction score
80
Location
Lehigh Valley, PA
Ram Year
2019 Laramie Crew Cab - Flame Red
Engine
5.7L HEMI
Why are you people giving fotomatt1 grief? This guy has a legit grievance with his truck. We should be giving him support, not questioning whether he stated a problem or not. I for one think this whole thing stinks. The dealer isn't interested, FCA doesn't appear interested and some of you guys are trying to make him feel bad for his decision. I think he is following his best coarse. We as fellow Ram owners need to support, not attack. We are supposed to be here to help. Sure, there is actually nothing we can do to help. We can try to encourage and suggest who to contact. I am very sorry for what fotomatt1 is dealing with, and hope FCA makes him whole with another truck and other considerations. He can then take that truck and get any other vehicle he cars to purchase. Just my 2 cents worth.

Thanks. Day 14 since I dropped off...still no contact from the dealer.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
 

HitchHiker

Senior Member
Joined
Jul 24, 2016
Posts
444
Reaction score
383
Location
Delaware
Ram Year
2018
Engine
Hemi 5.7
That's why I don't understand why you don't just pawn it off and get what you want.

Maybe because like many of us who actually understand the value of money and where to place responsibility for product problems, we don’t enjoy using our own money to resolve someone else’s fundamental product problem. I’m glad you choose to use your own money to do so, but it’s not the choice that many of us who choose to place the responsibility where it belongs will make. This is the reason lemon laws exist - to prevent auto manufacturers from abusing consumers by practicing ignorance in the hopes that consumers like you will simply take a massive loss on trading in a defective vehicle just to avoid some pain in the short run by enduring a few months of legal lemon law process.

When you look at it from a different viewpoint, you fell into the exact trap that auto manufacturers hope consumers fall into - using your own money to solve their problem for them. And the reality is you lost more than just “a little money” considering every vehicle depreciates about 20% the second you drive it off the lot. So if you paid 50k for a new truck, and traded it in a few months later, you will have likely taken a 10k loss on the new transaction, plus whatever other transaction costs you took on to get into another new vehicle.

Me, I would rather put up with the relative short term inconvenience of the lemon law process to keep 10k+ of my own hard earned money. But that’s me. [emoji3]




Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
 
OP
OP
F

fotomatt1

Senior Member
Joined
Mar 25, 2018
Posts
142
Reaction score
80
Location
Lehigh Valley, PA
Ram Year
2019 Laramie Crew Cab - Flame Red
Engine
5.7L HEMI
Maybe because like many of us who actually understand the value of money and where to place responsibility for product problems, we don’t enjoy using our own money to resolve someone else’s fundamental product problem. I’m glad you choose to use your own money to do so, but it’s not the choice that many of us who choose to place the responsibility where it belongs will make. This is the reason lemon laws exist - to prevent auto manufacturers from abusing consumers by practicing ignorance in the hopes that consumers like you will simply take a massive loss on trading in a defective vehicle just to avoid some pain in the short run by enduring a few months of legal lemon law process.

When you look at it from a different viewpoint, you fell into the exact trap that auto manufacturers hope consumers fall into - using your own money to solve their problem for them. And the reality is you lost more than just “a little money” considering every vehicle depreciates about 20% the second you drive it off the lot. So if you paid 50k for a new truck, and traded it in a few months later, you will have likely taken a 10k loss on the new transaction, plus whatever other transaction costs you took on to get into another new vehicle.

Me, I would rather put up with the relative short term inconvenience of the lemon law process to keep 10k+ of my own hard earned money. But that’s me. [emoji3]




Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Well said. Being a product manager for an expensive consumer electronics product myself, I know my company is held accountable if something isn’t as it should have been out of the box, or if a customer feels that we misrepresented a product. Even if not intentional, if a customer feels misled, then we didn’t do our job right and the customer needs to be made whole. If a factory worker isn’t on top of their game on an assembly line and QA misses it, it’s not the customers responsibility to bear. Why is it any different with a vehicle?

Of course a vehicle manufacturer is going to give you pushback and pretend they never make a mistake because it’s costly to replace a whole car, but in the end, it will work out in my favor.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
 

JD Martin

Senior Member
Military
Joined
Jan 13, 2019
Posts
342
Reaction score
342
Location
Southeast
Ram Year
2019
Engine
5.7
Maybe because like many of us who actually understand the value of money and where to place responsibility for product problems, we don’t enjoy using our own money to resolve someone else’s fundamental product problem. I’m glad you choose to use your own money to do so, but it’s not the choice that many of us who choose to place the responsibility where it belongs will make. This is the reason lemon laws exist - to prevent auto manufacturers from abusing consumers by practicing ignorance in the hopes that consumers like you will simply take a massive loss on trading in a defective vehicle just to avoid some pain in the short run by enduring a few months of legal lemon law process.

When you look at it from a different viewpoint, you fell into the exact trap that auto manufacturers hope consumers fall into - using your own money to solve their problem for them. And the reality is you lost more than just “a little money” considering every vehicle depreciates about 20% the second you drive it off the lot. So if you paid 50k for a new truck, and traded it in a few months later, you will have likely taken a 10k loss on the new transaction, plus whatever other transaction costs you took on to get into another new vehicle.

Me, I would rather put up with the relative short term inconvenience of the lemon law process to keep 10k+ of my own hard earned money. But that’s me. [emoji3]




Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Well,

1. I'm actually rooting for the guy even if I think his strategy is wanked;
2. The important part of this is not the money, but the relationship between time and money. I've been a pretty successful businessman for a long time (you don't get to buy trucks for cash by accident) and there's times in life where the time investment exceeds the financial return. Now if he was going to spend all of his time trying to recoup his expense watching "Bachelorette Island", then yes, he's probably better off spending that time trying to recover some of his truck expense. But there's probably lots of other things more enjoyable, more productive, and more profitable he could be doing than trying to recover a little bit more money by going the lemon route, especially when there are alternatives. He drove the truck 12k miles. He's not going to get every cent back because he's going to get at least a partial offset because he drove the truck that many miles already.
3. It doesn't sound like this process is "relatively short-term inconvenient" to me. As far as I can see, since 30 minutes after driving the vehicle off the lot he's been trying to get things fixed, having people cart him around because he can't fit all his kids in another vehicle, driving over an hour to other dealerships, etc.

As I said earlier, I am just trying to provide an alternative course of action that might be worth considering rather than going all in - but, again, if that's his prerogative, then "Long live Sparta" :)
 

buddy guy

Senior Member
Joined
May 22, 2019
Posts
2,559
Reaction score
2,116
Location
alberta
Ram Year
2018
Engine
5.7 hemi
Well,

1. I'm actually rooting for the guy even if I think his strategy is wanked;
2. The important part of this is not the money, but the relationship between time and money. I've been a pretty successful businessman for a long time (you don't get to buy trucks for cash by accident) and there's times in life where the time investment exceeds the financial return. Now if he was going to spend all of his time trying to recoup his expense watching "Bachelorette Island", then yes, he's probably better off spending that time trying to recover some of his truck expense. But there's probably lots of other things more enjoyable, more productive, and more profitable he could be doing than trying to recover a little bit more money by going the lemon route, especially when there are alternatives. He drove the truck 12k miles. He's not going to get every cent back because he's going to get at least a partial offset because he drove the truck that many miles already.
3. It doesn't sound like this process is "relatively short-term inconvenient" to me. As far as I can see, since 30 minutes after driving the vehicle off the lot he's been trying to get things fixed, having people cart him around because he can't fit all his kids in another vehicle, driving over an hour to other dealerships, etc.

As I said earlier, I am just trying to provide an alternative course of action that might be worth considering rather than going all in - but, again, if that's his prerogative, then "Long live Sparta" :)


its The Bachorette and Love Island, btw. geez. Rookie:banana-mario::):dogpile:
 

JD Martin

Senior Member
Military
Joined
Jan 13, 2019
Posts
342
Reaction score
342
Location
Southeast
Ram Year
2019
Engine
5.7
its The Bachorette and Love Island, btw. geez. Rookie:banana-mario::):dogpile:
LOL. Hey, I spend my free time making my money make more money so I get these things conflated :bleh: On a side note, that's a pretty impressive group of emoticons the site has given us! :ryu-cvs-hadoken-a:
 

likes2build

Senior Member
Joined
Jun 12, 2018
Posts
1,222
Reaction score
1,151
Location
Mohawk Valley, NY
Ram Year
2018 Express RCSB
Engine
3.6 Pentastar
WOW, You sound pretty wealthy and accomplished in the financial world.

Can you let me borrow $50 till my check comes?
 
OP
OP
F

fotomatt1

Senior Member
Joined
Mar 25, 2018
Posts
142
Reaction score
80
Location
Lehigh Valley, PA
Ram Year
2019 Laramie Crew Cab - Flame Red
Engine
5.7L HEMI
Update: Dealer finally called back. Parts are backordered for brakes and the leak with no ETA. They’re finally swapping my loaner for a Pacifica so I can fit my family. At least things will be minimally better but it getting my truck back anytime soon.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
 

likes2build

Senior Member
Joined
Jun 12, 2018
Posts
1,222
Reaction score
1,151
Location
Mohawk Valley, NY
Ram Year
2018 Express RCSB
Engine
3.6 Pentastar
Sure no problem with that, can I just roll that into the loan? Rate disclosure please, I only ask as you mentioned it first.
 

JD Martin

Senior Member
Military
Joined
Jan 13, 2019
Posts
342
Reaction score
342
Location
Southeast
Ram Year
2019
Engine
5.7
Sure no problem with that, can I just roll that into the loan? Rate disclosure please, I only ask as you mentioned it first.
Sorry, I require payment up front. 1% per day ;)
 
Last edited:
Top