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Posted in another thread but I think it got buried... '16 oem battery is aprox 3-4 years old, not having any problems but have added a few audio amps so am being proactive and looking to replace the oem battery. I run two JL Audio Amps - RD400/4 and RD500/1. So nothing crazy/excessive really, but definitely more draw than stock of course.

Two choices I've read about on the board are the Bosch Platinum AGM 94R and the X2PowerPremium. The Bosch is on sale at PepBoys for 149... 960 Cranking/800 CCA - anything better in that price range?

Or pony up for the X2PowerPremium version... 1030/840 for $300 :eek:

https://www.batteriesplus.com/produ...0/2016/v8-5.7l-730cca-4=headlight/sli94ragmdp
 

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The Odyssey would probably be better compared to the X2 than the Bosch based on pricing, although I did find it for $224 at autozone but it won't allow orders so may not be in stock I guess.

The Everstart AGM has lesser specs than the Bosch and is more expensive. Unless Bosch is just a brand to be avoided?

Aren't all batteries made by 3 core manf's with just different branding - or is that not the case anymore.
 

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over 90 percent of batteries are made by Johnson Controls. I would go with the Everstart because of the 5 year warranty, and there are Walmarts everywhere. If it goes out while on vacation, easy to find a replacement locally.
 

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Only a few battery manufacturers.
Most USA retail batteries are Exide, Johnson Controls, East Penn.

There are others, no doubt.
Again, talking most batteries people can find.


I just bought a new battery for my 2014 truck and could not find an Odyessy, by Enersys, anywhere within 200 miles of my states capital city.

Who makes which "Name Brand" changes almost yearly too.

Diehard, Interstate, Everstart, Superstart, Autostart, DUralast, whateverthehell fanboy?
Well, could have been Exide, one year. Johnson Controls another.

look at the hazmat spec sheet. Read between the lines. Look for the made in country of origin.
Like Poker, there are "tells"

I would recommend East Penn/Decca, Odyessy, North Star.
Right now, Today, ( for those who may read this post next month) North Star makes the X2 platinum Battery
but, at $9,098.098 (actually about $300) I would rather a buy an East Penn Re-branded to O'Reilly's Store brand for $125-$150.
yes, the $300 battery has 2 more years fo warranty but the 3 year warranty battery is half the price, and in my mind, every bit as good a battery.

Then again, that;s me.

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I would not buy Bosch. Last I knew, they were built by Exide.
Granted, they are a very well built Exide because Exide cannot get sell anything with their own name on it, since everyone knows all about their pollute the Earth so we make a an extra $ and let local govt, in the Deliverance Movie Set Backdrop, HillBilly Havens we set up Factories, pay for the clean up Woes.

Serioiusly, spend an hour or 4 and rEed up on all this battery stuff. Kind of Interesting.
Like how Exiide took old, used up dead batteries, returned for Core fee's and then cleaned them up, slapped new labels on them and sold them thru Sears, with Sears knowledge and blessing, as brand spanking new Die HArd Ultra SUper Duper Batteries, for insane profit margins.....until their Customer base started wondering why their Last Die Hard lasted 10 yrs and the new DieHArd lasted 10 months.

Huge Lawsuit, Govt steeped in. Sears went down the road to of the Do-DO and Exide is trying to keep things going by hooking up with yet another powerful, well thought of Brand, Like Bosch..

Yep. Run right done and buy. who knows, maybe they \learnt their lesson.
You're only betting a few hundred. Though it;s the having to change it out, at 03:30, in a Blizzard, on a lonely highway, in Wind Chills of "Minus you are ******** me" that really causes one to pause.

Ask me how I know?

Yeah, Do a little research.
I did.

Wife goes, Honey, my car took a Micro-second to start up. Not instantaneous, like Normal.
Hmm, Looks nice outside. that damn thing is history.
Crap, that truck is 4 years old?
That damn Battery is history too.

Which one is hot Pocket, right now? Today?
Which one can I get my hands on, Right Now, Today, while the Sun is shining, the birds are Chirping and all the young Hotties are walking around in Short, tight Shorts?

Yep, that's the Battery , for me.

So, Young Ward. Odyessy, North star, East Penn. not in any particular Order.
Read the MSDS sheet. Most MSDS Sheets can be downloaded from places that sell "THEIR" own brand of batteries. Like Autozone, Oh Realy's?, etc.
 
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I usually go with Walmart. Decent price and never a problem but when my CTD needed batteries I went with X2Power form Batteries Plus. It was an expensive proposition.
 

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WOW! I didn't know Excide was such a criminal. Nor did I know that Bosch was made by those miscreants.

I recently bought two Bosch AGMs for my Ford F350 6.0 diesel. I'm very satisfied with them, their specs, their warranty and especially their price. They were the cheapest of all the above mentioned brands. Shoot, I can buy two Pep Boys Boschs for the price of one X2PowerPremium.

It was a no brainer decision for me.

Edited - I bought the Bosch, not the PepBoys Champion.
 
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Best deal, advanced auto parts always has online coupon codes, use code, pay online, then pick up in store. I bought a AGM battery from them for my 13 Ram for around 150. Also this agm is made by Johnson controls, same manufacturer as Duralast, Everstart, Optima, DieHard, and Interstate Batteries. I have the stock Alpine system with all speakers pretty much upgraded to jbl or infinity 2ohm, a Soundqubed 1250 Amp powering 2 kappa 1200 w 12inch subs at 600 watts rms each @ 1 ohm and at full volume get little to no flicker on heavy bass rap songs. I haven't even done big 3 yet, but past battery I had a lot of light flickering at night. I put the old battery in my 2010 Camaro ss since the Ram and Camaro take same battery.
 
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WOW! I didn't know Excide was such a criminal. Nor did I know that Bosch was made by those miscreants.

Pep Boys sells the Bosch AGM. They also sell a Pep Boys AGM that specs the same as Bosch. I believe their brand is really Bosch.

I recently bought two Pep Boys AGMs for my Ford F350 6.0 diesel. I'm very satisfied with them, their specs, their warranty and especially their price. They were the cheapest of all the above mentioned brands. Shoot, I can buy two Pep Boys for the price of one X2PowerPremium.

It was a no brainer decision for me.


https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-2001-12-28-0112280360-story.html


https://www.michigansthumb.com/news/article/Ex-Exide-CEO-Sentenced-to-10-Years-7351677.php

https://www.nytimes.com/2001/03/24/business/exide-will-pay-27-million-in-fraud-case.html

Got to say, it is nice to see a Company Officer get 10 years. though I doubt he actually he did 10 days in anything other than Club Fed for Rich ***** who get their hands slapped.

Far as price, reason I went with East Penn, great battery, family run operation forever , same plant, forever, and half the price.

I should probably trust Exide, now, they cannot be as bad as they once were.
Though with their rep and losses, they got to be looking at profit margins pretty darn close.

Look at what Johnson Controls did with Optima.

Optima 1st came out, lasted forever, gaining market share, great work of mouth Rep. Johnson Controls buys them out, sends everything to Mexico because that always makes the final product better and raises prices. Few years later, after what I assume is all the mone possbile being made. they sell off the entire Johnson Controls Power (Read Battery ) Line to Brookfield asset Management (READ Investment Firm).

Brookfield is keeping the known name, while Johnson Controls Inc has actually moved on, from lead acid batteries.

I was darn close to buying them, for the boat, few years back and researched them because the are pricey. Glad I did.

Littel bit of research goes along ways.
Or, ask the guys who have already done a ton of it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnson_Controls

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...-business-to-brookfield-sources-idUSKCN1N32IW

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=johnson+controls+ruins+optima
 
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Best deal, advanced auto parts always has online coupon codes, use code, pay online, then pick up in store. I bought a AGM battery from them for my 13 Ram for around 150. Also this agm is made by Johnson controls, same manufacturer as Duralast, Everstart, Optima, DieHard, and Interstate Batteries.

The Advanced Auto Parts AGM was my first choice until I found the Bosch on sale at Pep Boys. What swung me was the Bosch was cheaper and is better rated with more CCA Amps.
 
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The original in my ‘14 Ram died @ 37 months (Nov ‘14 - Dec ‘17). No warning or indication, just stopped one cold morning. I have always changed out my batteries at 4 years so I was expecting several more months from the OEM. I thought about Odyssey but the local shops did not have them in stock. Sears (Diehard) was closing stores.

I purchased the Autocraft Platinum AGM H7 850 CCA. So far it has been solid and I paid about $180 after coupon. 3 year warranty. Autocraft cost me $80 less with 3 Y warranty vs 4 Y Ody. With all the electronics go with an AGM no matter what brand you choose.
 
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I knew about Johnson/Optima but wasn't aware of the Exide - well actually I was aware of the Sears debacle but I guess I had forgotten it was Exide. Optima used to be the sh$# until the whole Mexico deal.

O'Reilly's has 25% off over $100 right now so I will check them out - AAP is right down the road as well I'll stop in and take a look. Actually I've put several of those AAP Gold batteries in past vehicles without much fuss, now that I think about it.

Thanks all good thread good info here...
 
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MSDS for O'Reilly's is indeed East Penn.

AAP doesn't list the MSDS online, but Bob the Oil guy says they are Johnson Controls/Exide - so probably going to rule them out. Everstart is the same.

Looking like the O'Reilly's or maybe make the jump to the X2.
 
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Last Q... I think :). So no issues with AGM in a truck? Have read a few posts on the Jeep forums about AGM's being designed to be charged lower (float charge) and need to be cooler than standard batteries, so 14v charging, hot engine bays can overheat them which leads to premature failing...

Valid concerns or urban legend?
 

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Valid concerns or urban legend?
urban legend, they recommend a slightly higher charge voltage after use and the standard voltage for a maintenance charge.
They will tolerate a wider range of temperature compared to a standard lead acid battery. They also don't self discharge as fast and will more durable to shaking and vibration.
I had an Optima Red that I know was completely discharged 3 times from someone leaving the door open it was 9 years old when I sold the vehicle. It had no problems starting the vehicle after sitting for a week or two in the dead of winter.
People have reported that Optima has gone downhill since then but I definitely recommend the AGM technology. As an FYI the factory battery in the EcoDiesel is an AGM. I'll probably replace it when the time comes with an Odyssey 49-950
 

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What He Said.

AGM is what I run, in Everything.
 
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Gotch - that O'Reily's (East Penn) coupon was ship to home only it turns out, and I'd rather put my hands on it before buying to make sure I'm not getting old stock. I did find a 15% coupon for BP on the X2, plus a mail in rebate as well, so may just go that route, or with and Odyssey.
 

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I also use AGM batteries in everything. The NAPA AGM battery is also made by East Penn.
 
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