Catastrophic Engine Failure

[Pull Ya]

Speaking of the old hemi's. Anyone here ever see a dart with run a gate on the rear fenders. I grew up in romeoville il and lived across the street from that car. It was in mag's and stuff. Holy mother those hemis were f'n crazy. Twin dom's and a Magnito. Thats crazy power. I think it was a 512 or something.

Check out this facebook page--maybe you'll see a picture of that Dart
Blast from the Past Drag Racing
Jay

 

[Ribtipram]

I am not sure what a "run a gate" is, are you thing of those hi wings, super birds? Nacar did not like them, they where a poor seller, but that BB hemi, that was a beast
Mind you had a Duster with a 340 that was in the 500hp rating, car would not stand up to it.

I think that was just the name of the car they put on there.it was one of those darts with the roll cage and lexan windows. Im not well versed in the old dodges like that i just was friends with the kid across the street. Last name was web

 

[tbaker65]

I bought a new 2017 Ram 1500 with a 5.7 hemi at the end of 2017. At the time of purchase I did not buy an extended warranty - not from the selling dealership anyway - they always try to scam (overcharge) you for "extras". But, after some research and considering what I was planning with the truck long-term, I did purchase an FCA lifetime unlimited mileage warranty.

I get all of my service done at a Ram dealership and have computer access to all of my records. One reason I purchased the lifetime warranty is if something like this unfortunate, unexplained event ever happened, and it WAS due to the service negligence somehow, there is no CYA sh*t to me from the dealership and I do not have to prove some sort of negligence... I figure if some 'unexplained' problem developed that the dealership would not own up to yet sounded suspicious to FCA, it would between those two to sort it out...

I did not finish reading through the 15 pages here so I don't know the update of your situation, but good luck to you...

 

[tbaker65]

In general. Extended warranties are not a good buy. Most people will throw that into their loans because they cannot afford to pay for it up front. Thus, you will pay even more than the stick price of said warranty. The majority of extended warranty purchasers come out on the losing end, dollar wise. They have to, otherwise the warranty company would lose money, and thus end giving them. That's just a mathematical fact. Sometimes you win buying them, and sure, it feels good when that happens, but odds are against that happening. And, when you do need it, you may find yourself arguing with them when you have a failure, as to what's covered or not. Some of the wording is so vague, and it almost leaves it up to their discretion as to whether they will cover it or not. So, statistically, they are not a good purchase.

Well, "statistically", I'm betting the majority of homeowner insurance policies are "not a good buy" either, and we all come out on the "losing end", dollar-wise.

When you spend $30,000+ on a new truck and Murphy's Law strikes, you'll be glad you got suckered into buying an Extended warranty. I have one, and I expect I'll have to use it sometime in the lifetime of my truck. However, if I don't, and the truck runs fine for the 15 years or so I expect to own it, and therefore I never do have to use my Extended warranty, I'll be happy with that too (in fact happier) and NOT feel like I threw $2500 down the drain.

Doing the math, I hope to own the truck for 15 years. So $2500/(15x12) = $13.89 per month of ownership. That to me is well worth the piece-of-mind (for the cost of a few cups of coffee per month) to know that I will never have to worry about some catastrophic failure on my truck that could cost $1000s of dollars. I sleep well at night without these worries and knowing I can use my truck for whatever I need to do with it without worrying.

And if I DO ever need this Extended warranty to cover major repairs, I expect I'll get the repairs, will have gotten all of my money back I paid for the warranty, and STILL have a lifetime warranty and then feel EVEN MORE happy I purchased it. I have spent money on things in the past which I had buyer's remorse for - this is not one of them.

I guess it depends on your perspective.

 

[Ribtipram]

Well, "statistically", I'm betting the majority of homeowner insurance policies are "not a good buy" either, and we all come out on the "losing end", dollar-wise.

When you spend $30,000+ on a new truck and Murphy's Law strikes, you'll be glad you got suckered into buying an Extended warranty. I have one, and I expect I'll have to use it sometime in the lifetime of my truck. However, if I don't, and the truck runs fine for the 15 years or so I expect to own it, and therefore I never do have to use my Extended warranty, I'll be happy with that too (in fact happier) and NOT feel like I threw $2500 down the drain.

Doing the math, I hope to own the truck for 15 years. So $2500/(15x12) = $13.89 per month of ownership. That to me is well worth the piece-of-mind (for the cost of a few cups of coffee per month) to know that I will never have to worry about some catastrophic failure on my truck that could cost $1000s of dollars. I sleep well at night without these worries and knowing I can use my truck for whatever I need to do with it without worrying.

And if I DO ever need this Extended warranty to cover major repairs, I expect I'll get the repairs, will have gotten all of my money back I paid for the warranty, and STILL have a lifetime warranty and then feel EVEN MORE happy I purchased it. I have spent money on things in the past which I had buyer's remorse for - this is not one of them.

I guess it depends on your perspective.

I agree i also have a warranty.

 

[Haas]

I agree i also have a warranty.

I'd probably buy one too, but I'm just passing along what studies have shown, multiple times over. They're great when you need it, but the percentages say that most end up not using it, which makes it a cost with no return. Or, many also do use it, but never end up with repairs that exceed the cost of the extended plan. It's just a comfort knowing you have it, but strictly from a financial standpoint, odds are against the buyer of the warranty.

 

[OCDTech]

I'd probably buy one too, but I'm just passing along what studies have shown, multiple times over. They're great when you need it, but the percentages say that most end up not using it, which makes it a cost with no return. Or, many also do use it, but never end up with repairs that exceed the cost of the extended plan. It's just a comfort knowing you have it, but strictly from a financial standpoint, odds are against the buyer of the warranty.

I've heard this all my life and do believe it. Same as going to the casino.

 

[Ribtipram]

I'd probably buy one too, but I'm just passing along what studies have shown, multiple times over. They're great when you need it, but the percentages say that most end up not using it, which makes it a cost with no return. Or, many also do use it, but never end up with repairs that exceed the cost of the extended plan. It's just a comfort knowing you have it, but strictly from a financial standpoint, odds are against the buyer of the warranty.

I hope my life insurance stays that way too. Lol

 

[Haas]

I hope my life insurance stays that way too. Lol

Life insurance is different. We all know some day we will be cashing that in. Lol! Well, not us, but family memeber.

 

[JohnnyMac]

I've heard this all my life and do believe it. Same as going to the casino.

I do both.....

 

[OCDTech]

I do both.....

I bought the warranty have been to the local casino few times myself.


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[cheffrank_357]

Getting an extended warranty is still a crap shoot as to what it will cover and if you will ever need it. You may never need it and then you’re out that money for no reason. I can understand getting 1 with a used vehicle, but not so much with a new one u less you know that you have no idea how to fix anything on it or the desire to fix anything. I don’t believe you had a right to attack those of us that don’t have an extended warranty just because you bought one. Plus, this is now taking the whole point of his post way off track. I’ve said my peace and I’m done with this point.

OP, please let us know if you ever find out what caused your engine to lock up or if you did just walk away from Rams. I’d be curious to know the cause. I know you said that you would tell us if you found out.

Crap shoot...
Thats correct sir!

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[Justin33]

So we still don’t know what happened when they opened it up?

 

[madtrucker2016]

Sorry for the giant problem, But I would take the half them paying any day and the new one comes with a warranty for how long? also at this point maybe look into buying some after market insurance on the truck for mechanical break down and to cover engine drive tran.

 

[tbaker65]

I'd probably buy one too, but I'm just passing along what studies have shown, multiple times over. They're great when you need it, but the percentages say that most end up not using it, which makes it a cost with no return. Or, many also do use it, but never end up with repairs that exceed the cost of the extended plan. It's just a comfort knowing you have it, but strictly from a financial standpoint, odds are against the buyer of the warranty.

Hmmm. Do you feel the same about your auto insurance on your truck? Collision insurance? I'll quote you on the Extended Warranty and then apply that same thinking to collision insurance.

You say, "They're great when you need it, but the percentages say that most end up not using it, which makes it a cost with no return. Or, many also do use it, but never end up with repairs that exceed the cost of the extended plan. It's just a comfort knowing you have it, but strictly from a financial standpoint, odds are against the buyer of the warranty."

So, allow me to copy that verbatim, and insert, "collision insurance" in place of 'Extended Warranty' and see what that looks like:

"They're great when you need it, but the percentages say that most end up not using it, which makes it a cost with no return. Or, many also do use it, but never end up with repairs that exceed the cost of the collision insurance. It's just a comfort knowing you have it, but strictly from a financial standpoint, odds are against the buyer of the collision insurance."

Now, before I go on with this, I'll say ahead of time, yes, collision damage could result in totalling your vehicle and therefore cost many more times than even a major repair such as a blown engine, so it does make sense to carry it there... That being said though, I'm guessing that statistically, most people do not total their truck when involved in an accident and therefore repairs are probably more comparable, cost-wise, to mechanical repairs. Figure in your deductible, etc., and where are you in terms of a "financial standpoint"?

"They're great when you need it, but the percentages say that most end up not using it, which makes it a cost with no return." <---- Apply that statement to collision insurance.

So you get my idea here... Allowing that, do you carry collision insurance, and if so, do you consider that a "waste of money", considering that collision insurance probably costs significantly more money than an Extended Warranty?

Again, back to my thinking on the Extended Warranty coverage. As I said, I guess it depends on your perspective. From my situation, it really was a no brainer. First, I knew I was going to be driving my truck a lot. I've owned it for not quite 25 months and I have 45,000 miles on it. My factory 3/36 is already up and my 5/50 or whatever it is on the powertrain will be gone soon. Secondly, and just as important, my personal financial situation is such that the Extended Warranty was not a matter of affordability or stretching myself short to get it. I'll be 55 years old in a couple of months and this was my first new truck, and maybe my last, and I expect to drive it until it drops and it's not worth fixing, and I can't be bothered with worrying about major repair cost headaches down the road - I'm too old for that now. I prefer to spend what time I do have left above ground thinking about other things and lessening my stress levels worrying about potential problems in the future. Now, there were times in my life in the not so distant past where I couldn't have afforded a new truck and then a moderately expensive warranty to go with it - that alone would have been stressful on me trying to decide to get it or not - take my chances... so I know how it is to have to have to make such financial decisions when affordability is an issue.

I guess my real point here is, for those thinking about getting an Extended Warranty or automatically dismissing the idea as a "waste of money" or a rip-off, is that it's really no different than regular auto/collision insurance in that respect. Do you NEED it? You hope not - but if you do, you're glad you have it. In fact comparing the two again, there is a HIGH possibility you will NEVER use collision insurance, but is a guaranteed fact that if you own your truck long enough and drive it enough, at some time it will have mechanical failures that require expensive repair costs - IF you do not have an Extended Warranty... Just some things to consider.

Either way, good luck to you all and happy driving with your Rams!

 

[jawzs2]

There is really no correct answer to get extended warranty or not, everyone's individual situation is different, and there's good arguments for either decision. I see it in real simple terms, betting your new vehicle is going to break at some point, while the warranty company is betting against you that it's not

 

[tap4154]

So we still don’t know what happened when they opened it up?

I didn't read the entire thread, but it seems pretty obvious to me that they didn't fill it up with oil at the last oil change, and that's what killed the engine. and they're hiding it.

That said, if they're offering to pay for half of the new engine, the OP will be paying just a little bit more than what unlimited mile warranty would have cost, so you might as well jump at that unless you can prove they did something wrong

I've been doing my own oil changes after the first one, but whenever you have the dealer do the oil change, check the dipstick before you drive home.

 

[OCDTech]

I didn't read the entire thread, but it seems pretty obvious to me that they didn't fill it up with oil at the last oil change, and that's what killed the engine. and they're hiding it.

That said, if they're offering to pay for half of the new engine, the OP will be paying just a little bit more than what unlimited mile warranty would have cost, so you might as well jump at that unless you can prove they did something wrong

I've been doing my own oil changes after the first one, but whenever you have the dealer do the oil change, check the dipstick before you drive home.

So this is like taking a plea deal when you were innocent and have no alibi and a public defender.

My question is there was no oil pressure warning light/message?

 

[tap4154]

So this is like taking a plea deal when you were innocent and have no alibi and a public defender.

My question is there was no oil pressure warning light/message?

That's true, so many sensors on these now, you'd think it would stop and light up like a Christmas tree if the oil pressure was low. But happening so soon after a dealer oil change is suspicious. Maybe they put another fluid in it? Very odd, a modern factory engine that new freezing up.

 

[OCDTech]

That's true, so many sensors on these now, you'd think it would stop and light up like a Christmas tree if the oil pressure was low. But happening so soon after a dealer oil change is suspicious. Maybe they put another fluid in it? Very odd, a modern factory engine that new freezing up.

Oh i'm on the "suspicious" train all the way to the next station, I know this can happen for no fault of any one, this goes for any manufacturer, but usually damn rare.