Uncle Tony SPEAKS on cam and lifter failure in 5.7 hemi

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This was the best post ever, I had been saying that same exact thing for a decade but never had the proof, just a theory. This also makes total sense why redline is helping hemi tick. The tick is perpendicular force in the cavity, been my thoughts on this since I first got the tick. This is why extreme pressure additives can help this issue, and also why they take time to kill the tick, this is the exact science of it posted many times. I hope you dont mind, gonna poach this vid for syn thread.

Thanks man for posting, real helpful post.
 
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This was the best post ever, I had been saying that same exact thing for a decade but never had the proof, just a theory. This also makes total sense why redline is helping hemi tick. The tick is perpendicular force in the cavity, been my thoughts on this since I first got the tick. This is why extreme pressure additives can help this issue, and also why they take time to kill the tick, this is the exact science of it posted many times. I hope you dont mind, gonna poach this vid for syn thread.

Thanks man for posting, real helpful post.
No problem brother, happy to help out.
And thank you for educating us about the oil, ill be switching to a 5w30 for my next change
 

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No problem brother, happy to help out.
And thank you for educating us about the oil, ill be switching to a 5w30 for my next change

Has to be high molybdenum, read moly basics if you haven't. Thanks to you the final piece of the puzzle has been brought to ram forum. I feel like my work is DONE.

Perpendicular force also explains rollers that get damaged, I been saying that ad naseum but guys kept saying needle bearing this needle bearing that. Think about it, if that roller hits the lifters but the lifter has perpendicular force pushing down on the roller, I don't care what bearing you have you are going to cut the cam lob.

The best part of your find is that it suggests that if you kill the tick, you likely smooth the perpendicular force, and that this fixes the issue instead of just masking it. No more cut lob, no force on that roller. Best day I had at ram forum, all the thanks goes to you, and well your uncle as well:)
 

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I been waiting for this day for ten years.
 

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I keep hearing when I first got a Hemi was the Hemi tick. Hemi tick this Hemi tick that.
So idle and low rpm is no good for Hemi. Get 5w-30 weight oil rather then 5w-20. Anything else?
 

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Has to be high molybdenum, read moly basics if you haven't. Thanks to you the final piece of the puzzle has been brought to ram forum. I feel like my work is DONE.

Perpendicular force also explains rollers that get damaged, I been saying that ad naseum but guys kept saying needle bearing this needle bearing that. Think about it, if that roller hits the lifters but the lifter has perpendicular force pushing down on the roller, I don't care what bearing you have you are going to cut the cam lob.

The best part of your find is that it suggests that if you kill the tick, you likely smooth the perpendicular force, and that this fixes the issue instead of just masking it. No more cut lob, no force on that roller. Best day I had at ram forum, all the thanks goes to you, and well your uncle as well:)
And now I'm ordering more RL, the heck with the extra cost.

Granted my truck hasn't really moved in 3 months other than the occasional grocery or Costco run. Thanks a lot Chinuh.

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Wow. Wonder why no one else has shown this. Sounds pretty straight forward to me. Where are the other engine builders pointing this out? This is a huge deal. To us consumers, to fca.

I try to keep my engine tached up, as I feel it runs better. F gas mileage. Let her eat and hope for the best.

Does the 6.4 have the same flaw?
 
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Wow. Wonder why no one else has shown this. Sounds pretty straight forward to me. Where are the other engine builders pointing this out? This is a huge deal. To us consumers, to fca.

I try to keep my engine tached up, as I feel it runs better. F gas mileage. Let her eat and hope for the best.

Does the 6.4 have the same flaw?
Probably, im pretty sure its the same basic architecture
 

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Wow. Wonder why no one else has shown this. Sounds pretty straight forward to me. Where are the other engine builders pointing this out? This is a huge deal. To us consumers, to fca.

I try to keep my engine tached up, as I feel it runs better. F gas mileage. Let her eat and hope for the best.

Does the 6.4 have the same flaw?

I tow so my truck been running above 2000 rpm. So I guess that helps. Lol
 

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I keep hearing when I first got a Hemi was the Hemi tick. Hemi tick this Hemi tick that.
So idle and low rpm is no good for Hemi. Get 5w-30 weight oil rather then 5w-20. Anything else?

Use an oil that has EP additives and base oils. Moly, Titanium, whatever else comes down the pike that has good science behind it, micro lubrication of esters they are polar and stick to metal better then group 3 oil, etc. EP oil term for extreme pressure additives, they work in areas like this that metal to metal squeezes the oil out. AW might help a bit, that would be your zinc, plus have an oil with good detergency. A oil made like this would be redline, an additive built like this would be lubegard biotech, other moly additives might work as well, mos2 might work. Bottom line, as long as you aren't corroding your engine, any oil or additive that shuts down the tick is going to be helping. I would avoid chlorinated paraffins, they might kill the tick but leave the surface rough. Too much risk.
 

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Not being a fanboy...I've personally seen results with sound and back to back uoa's. Doesn't this make redline a no brainier now? It is proving to remove tick. I'm seeing oci via uoa go from 8500 to 10k mile recommendations on engine with over 80k miles. Not a ton I know, but to a point where uoa has validity. I change my oil for $100. So similar to $50 each per 4k to 5k miles? High quality filter in that too. What am I missing redline opposers?
 

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Just taking the brand name out of the conversation, the science of extreme pressure additives is something that will benefit every hemi bar none. There are other options out there, but of course redline would be one of them and it has seen extensive testing here.

EP/AW additives versus base oil. Base oil is the best at lubricating when you have adequate lubrication whether it be splash or flow. When you don't have adequate splash or flow, EP additives were literally built for this. Now that we know what the issue is, perpendicular force in the cavity, we can test new EP additives for anyone wanting options. You get that lifter lifting smoothly, less force on that roller, you will see longer cam life. Maybe srt oil pump would be the best option, but add an oil or additive built for extreme pressures as well no brainer. Thread should be a sticky, mystery behind hemi tick was solved.
 

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I have..and I ask cause I can't recall any redline opposers. Now..are there pple like myself who wish fca supported using 5w-30 redline under warranty? Absolutely! A ton of us!

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He said that was a 3rd gen hemi is our block the same? That was a great video.
 

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He said that was a 3rd gen hemi is our block the same? That was a great video.
Maybe he meant the third gen hemi as in 3rd gen of the engine. Doesn’t mean it is a 3rd gen bodystyle? Not sure if that makes a difference.


EDIT: oops too late
 

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