Uncle Tony SPEAKS on cam and lifter failure in 5.7 hemi

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I watched my rpms and oil pressure today and idle with it in park it was 36 but even putting it in drive would bring it up to 50 to 52- so it looks like it does not take many rpms to get it to 50 psi or better
 

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I watched my rpms and oil pressure today and idle with it in park it was 36 but even putting it in drive would bring it up to 50 to 52- so it looks like it does not take many rpms to get it to 50 psi or better
If you sit in drive idling longer it'll drop down, when you initially get to idle it takes a couple minutes to drop.
 

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Lifter tick doesn't always mean lifters and cam are the issue. Especially with Chrysler's oiling design. Worn bearing or pushrod. 1 bent worn or improper pushrod length will limit or end oil flow to the rest of the valve train and then they'll all tick away even new engines with good pressure Reed at gauge

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Yes Tony has a flare about him, but this dude was wrong with a lot he was saying as well. Number one, he said when you just put a new cam lifter in they are fine, which is way not true, it is hit or miss with NEW lifters if the engine will tick. And he keeps talking about the wear on the bottom of the lifter without addressing the cause that I heard, the failure to lift smoothly is causing this issue downstream, he even points at his lifters what he says oil "stains". Well ******* why is there an oil "stain" in the spots there is staining if it is correctly lubricated? LOL.

Man that dude was hard to watch, he needs to take a personality pill or something. Even with his lifters you see there is an issue with the side of the lifter, he minimizes it and shows only one lifter, maybe the one in the best condition to back up his point who knows? Lets see all of his lifters like Tony did. You think Tony purposely scuffed multiple lifters for a show? LOL. Man I am all for questioning what is up, but this dude is really hard to watch. I keep an open mind, but there was nothing in that video that was adequate to get me off tony's findings.
 

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except for 1 special day, mine is silent. On this special day my 2016 laramie 1500 went to the dealer for its 1 and only servicing it will ever see from a dealer..

It has never made a sound and has had synthetic from the first or second oil change. I cant recall which one but i am a believer in that before you go to synthetic you should do some break in time and let things seat.

so long story short when i picked up the keys and fired up the engine i almost crapped my pants. It sounded like there was no oil in it for about 15 to 20 seconds. That is the only time anyone has worked on it where i wasnt in the room so to speak and from the way it sounded, it was like the threw a bucket under it pulled the plug and let it run dry all day. Then when they were closing and almost forgot to finish the job, they dropped a couple quarts in. or maybe they forgot it was drained and drove it across the lot. who knows but i would rather give my money to a 15 yr old pimple face keener that i can watch do the work than thos guys in the dealer shop.

Honestly, what is their incentive to actually care for our vehicles? It is counter productive as the longer ours last the fewer new ones they will sell.
 

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Laramielambo - I've had the same experience. Bought a brand-new 2019 Classic with the Hemi after repeated issues with my 2015 EcoDiesel. (I know - another entirely different topic there for sure!) Anyway, when showing it to some work colleagues a different times the first week or two I had it, starting it up would reveal a horrendous 'tick.' It DID indeed sound like it had no oil. I performed the first oil-change after break-in and put the recommended 5w20 oil in it, but went to full synthetic Mobil 1. I can't recall having heard ticking since I did that. Just turned over 12,000 miles, so it's probably still breaking in.
So is there a benefit to moving to 5w30 on the next oil change, or a good additive at all? Thanks gang.
 

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Laramielambo - I've had the same experience. Bought a brand-new 2019 Classic with the Hemi after repeated issues with my 2015 EcoDiesel. (I know - another entirely different topic there for sure!) Anyway, when showing it to some work colleagues a different times the first week or two I had it, starting it up would reveal a horrendous 'tick.' It DID indeed sound like it had no oil. I performed the first oil-change after break-in and put the recommended 5w20 oil in it, but went to full synthetic Mobil 1. I can't recall having heard ticking since I did that. Just turned over 12,000 miles, so it's probably still breaking in.
So is there a benefit to moving to 5w30 on the next oil change, or a good additive at all? Thanks gang.
I moved to 5w-30 because I tow a lot and my oil temp is high. Redline is the best oil for these hemi from lots of folks recommendation here.
 

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Thanks for the indepth review of the cam failure problems with this motor. I agree 100% with all your findings... I now see why Chrysler can't come up with a fix it would take a complete block redesign and Billions in warranty block replacements.. I will just make sure that I keep the idling to a BARE min and When I replace this truck if nothing is done on Chrysler 's part in redesigning the block I will not purchase another one.. I would hate that because I really love my Bighorn...
 

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This video pushed me over the edge. From no local parts stores carrying the approved oil, to the annoying MDS. I'm not sticking around to have this failure for the money I spent. Out she goes
 

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This video pushed me over the edge. From no local parts stores carrying the approved oil, to the annoying MDS. I'm not sticking around to have this failure for the money I spent. Out she goes

There is a "Lubeguard Biotech" thread you should follow, it's much cheaper than redline and may help with the tick.

As for MDS, just use the gear limiter, keep it limited to 8'th gear, and MDS will be disabled while leaving you full range of gears from 1 - 8.
 

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This video pushed me over the edge. From no local parts stores carrying the approved oil, to the annoying MDS. I'm not sticking around to have this failure for the money I spent. Out she goes

Uncle Tony doesn't know what he's talking about though. There is an oil galley right where he says there isn't oil.
 

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Uncle Tony doesn't know what he's talking about though. There is an oil galley right where he says there isn't oil.

We can talk down tony all we want. Doesn't change the fact that 4/5 chrysler owners I personally know had lifter failures before 100k miles.
 

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They also say the 3.6 lifters are failing. Yet the fleet we use has used 3.6 equipped vehicles for 10 years or so and haven't had any lifter failure that I am aware of. And believe me, they get a minimum of maintenance - but oil does get changed every 5000 miles.

If 4/5 of every mopar (3.6/5.7/6.4, etc) had lifter failure, you would hear about it.

I don't know of anyone personally that has had lifter failure.
 

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There are many owners of the Hemi's who have reached 200K - 300K miles on these engines. If this was a wide spread problem I don't think these engines could eve reach these milestones. It would be almost imposible for a Hemi engine to reach 100K miles. There is a company that makes lifters for the Hemi's that lubricate off the cam gallery sending oil up thru the pushrods to the rockers, this could be a fix. I run AMSOIL 5W30XL synthetic engine oil in my 07' Hemi, and it rarely ticks. I am not sure the tick on my engine is from the exhaust manifolds.
My Hemi has 224,000 miles on it.
I use Redline and Wix for the last couple of years and the tick is basically gone however i do notice it every now and then when the truck has been idling for a little while in park in the driveway.
the tick is nowhere near what it was 2 years ago however my OCD had me changing the oil some times every other month no matter how many miles i have driven.
I live in the northeast and it gets cold so it has seen its fair share or more as it sits idling in the drive way for 15 to 30 minutes on really cold days.
My friend Jeff has a 2014 ram 1500 with zero tick...... I hate him...LOL!!
 

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They also say the 3.6 lifters are failing. Yet the fleet we use has used 3.6 equipped vehicles for 10 years or so and haven't had any lifter failure that I am aware of. And believe me, they get a minimum of maintenance - but oil does get changed every 5000 miles.

If 4/5 of every mopar (3.6/5.7/6.4, etc) had lifter failure, you would hear about it.

I don't know of anyone personally that has had lifter failure.


My brother inlaw had lifter failure. 2013, ram 1500, 5.7 hemi. $6000 to fix by third party shop. New lifters and cam was needed. It's kind of like buying a new car, you don't see very many of that car or truck until you have one. I had no idea this was going on until I investigated my brother-in-law's check engine light. I researched it on Ram forums and YouTube videos. Now that I know what's going on, I hear a lot more about it from other Ram owners.
 

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There are definitely some years worse than others and 13 was one of the bad years - which points to a supplier issue more than a design issue.

The oil formulation changes in recent years has only made it worse.
Unless you run special oil or add additives to an older hydraulic tappet motor ( pre 1980), your chances of cam failure go way up vs. unheard of decades ago - well at least on the mopar line.
 

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There are definitely some years worse than others and 13 was one of the bad years - which points to a supplier issue more than a design issue.

The oil formulation changes in recent years has only made it worse.
Unless you run special oil or add additives to an older hydraulic tappet motor ( pre 1980), your chances of cam failure go way up vs. unheard of decades ago - well at least on the mopar line.


So, I have a 3rd gen 5.7 hemi. How prone are those to lifter failure? What years where really affected?
 

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So pretty much from what I've gathered, Redline will fix the Hemi tick but it doesn't fix the problem. The problem is still there, Redline oil just puts a silencer over the problem. So you don't hear it, but excessive idling and in time still makes you a candidate for lifter and cam failure?????????
 
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