difference in etorque and non etorque

[fast ed]

I am looking at a 21 Laramie with the 5.7. Can you tell me the difference in E-torque and non E-torque

 

[tidefan1967]

Cost's like $200 extra, comes with start/stop technology(enough for me to not bother with it and a more heavy duty charging and starting system.

 

[crash68]

The e-Torque system is supposed to assist with added torque in low rpm situations.

 

[TestPilot57]

There are several really cool features of the ET but there is one that makes it an absolute deal breaker to me: you can't put a Whipple on an E-Torque motor.

Probably not a deal-breaker, but certainly a negative, is the start/stop feature that engages every time you restart the truck. Maybe some tuner has found a way to disable it, don't know.

 

[TestPilot57]

The e-Torque system is supposed to assist with added torque in low rpm situations.

I have no doubt about that. BUT, how much extra torque do you need pulling your boat out of the water? I have NEVER felt like I didn't have enough torque in low RPM situations.

I personally think that the coolest part of the system is the rev-matching during shifting. Not that I've actually experienced it, but it's a cool piece of technology.

 

[crash68]

Probably not a deal-breaker, but certainly a negative, is the start/stop feature that engages every time you restart the truck. Maybe some tuner has found a way to disable it, don't know.

https://www.autostopeliminator.com/products/2019-ram-1500-autostop-eliminator

 

[crash68]

I have no doubt about that. BUT, how much extra torque do you need pulling your boat out of the water? I have NEVER felt like I didn't have enough torque in low RPM situations.

You would probably have to have both an e-Torque and regular Hemi to compare how much extra throttle is needed with the regular to determine that. If there's a way to see how much power is being output from e-Torque that might give a idea also
As me I don't need any extra torque cuz: diesel :-D

 

[TestPilot57]

The thing is, at low RPM all you're trying to do is get a job done. It's not about IF you can do it, but how fast. And at low RPM, how fast is mostly irrelevant. JMO.

Now, if they were able to harness that extra hundred something lb/ft through the range, THAT would be a deal changer. Maybe they're working on it. Until then, I will defer to forced induction.

 

[GTyankee]

As far as i am concerned, there is only one advantage to having the Etorque
It shuts the engine off when you come to a Stop for a couple seconds, like at a Signal Light.
Then if you are in real heavy Stop & Go traffic, like you would see if there was a multi vehicle accident, you would not be wasting gas, due to the engine being shut off.
The down side to that is how low will the battery get with all that Starting the engine & no driving to recharge it.

Out here we have a State Highway, the 91 is nothing but a moving parking lot during rush hours, you could be sitting still for 10 minute periods while traveling 50 something miles

 

[dlaurie]

I test drove an Etorque last week. I couldn't get the start stop to work. When I got back to the dealer they said, "oh, the AC or Heater must be off for it to work". One to the other is always on in my truck and I don't see the point in it if the environmental has to be off.

 

[mikeru]

I test drove an Etorque last week. I couldn't get the start stop to work. When I got back to the dealer they said, "oh, the AC or Heater must be off for it to work". One to the other is always on in my truck and I don't see the point in it if the environmental has to be off.

It's not as simple as that. If the interior temperature is at the temp set point the engine will shut off when you stop for long enough (several seconds). At that point the interior temperature will creep towards the outside temperature, and if you are stopped long enough, once the temp difference is great enough the engine will start back up to try to catch back up. If your truck has not yet reached the HVAC set point the engine will not shut off. The HVAC system seems to have priority over the stop/start system. But you don't have to turn the HVAC off for stop/start to work.

 

[Graygoose]

yea, they sound like idiots. that's incorrect.

 

[Gregory McKinley]

Have had mine for a few years now. Everything works like it is supposed to. Most of the time I do not realize it has shut motor down.

 

[Mike Murphy]

There are several really cool features of the ET but there is one that makes it an absolute deal breaker to me: you can't put a Whipple on an E-Torque motor.

Probably not a deal-breaker, but certainly a negative, is the start/stop feature that engages every time you restart the truck. Maybe some tuner has found a way to disable it, don't know.

How do you supercharge a Hybrid/EV... really big capacitors on a switch.

 

[TestPilot57]

I test drove an Etorque last week. I couldn't get the start stop to work. When I got back to the dealer they said, "oh, the AC or Heater must be off for it to work". One to the other is always on in my truck and I don't see the point in it if the environmental has to be off.

That's bizarre for the reason you state. But I've also driven many rentals and they all worked with heat/AC on. In fact, most if not all cars I've driven for the last 20 years you don't actively "turn on" the heat or AC - you just set a temp and the gerbils in the control room decide what to do about it.

My guess is that there was something wrong with it, and the salesman didn't know what he was talking about. Let me amend that - the salesman DID NOT know what he was talking about...

 

[TestPilot57]

Have had mine for a few years now. Everything works like it is supposed to. Most of the time I do not realize it has shut motor down.

Huh. Must be you have the quiet muffler.

Ain't no way I wouldn't be able to tell my truck shut off, even if I were wearing earplugs!

 

[Kellen]

It’s pretty easy to get used to driving with the start/stop, at least if you still have factory exhaust. I’ve put 30k miles on my truck so far and it’s really not a big deal when you feel it go off and on, just have to let it do it’s thing and know that all that on and off is helping save gas. Of course I haven’t been close to the advertised MPG but staying between 18-19mpg combined isn’t too bad compared to what I’ve seen people posting.

 

[CanRebel]

My Rebel didn't have that option, I would not have picked. While I have never had Ram version of it.
I have/had on other manufactures. I did some reading that it had some same functionally.

I dislike it. You press brake. It turns stuff off to 'save' gas.
e.g ac/heater fans, radio volume goes lower, dash lights get dimmer, etc...
also a delay, get back rpms. rare but once in while it wouldn't come on.
So you press brake/release few times, while people are beeping at you.

My work around it, since couldn't turn it off. Every time I would stop. I would take my foot off brake for second, press brake again
and it wouldn't stop.

So I lose $.001 every time I would stop.

 

[dlaurie]

It's not as simple as that. If the interior temperature is at the temp set point the engine will shut off when you stop for long enough (several seconds). At that point the interior temperature will creep towards the outside temperature, and if you are stopped long enough, once the temp difference is great enough the engine will start back up to try to catch back up. If your truck has not yet reached the HVAC set point the engine will not shut off. The HVAC system seems to have priority over the stop/start system. But you don't have to turn the HVAC off for stop/start to work.

That makes more sense. I did drive the truck for quite a while and the cabin was at the set temp. Not sure what the issue was with this particular truck.

 

[mikeru]

My Rebel didn't have that option, I would not have picked. While I have never had Ram version of it.
I have/had on other manufactures. I did some reading that it had some same functionally.

I dislike it. You press brake. It turns stuff off to 'save' gas.
e.g ac/heater fans, radio volume goes lower, dash lights get dimmer, etc...
also a delay, get back rpms. rare but once in while it wouldn't come on.
So you press brake/release few times, while people are beeping at you.

My work around it, since couldn't turn it off. Every time I would stop. I would take my foot off brake for second, press brake again
and it wouldn't stop.

So I lose $.001 every time I would stop.

It's unfair to compare our system to other systems. The stop/start system on the Ram 1500 is nothing like it is on other manufacturer's vehicles I've driven, including BMW and Mercedes Benz. First, it does not use the main starter for the restart. It uses a dedicated motor/generator. It is noticeable, but definitely not intrusive. The first couple times I didn't notice it shut off, but did notice it start back up. But it starts up instantly with no appreciable delay. Second, while the HVAC can affect the operation of the system, things like lights dimming, radio volume going lower, fans slowing do not happen on these trucks when the engine shuts down. And there is a way to turn it off from the factory with the simple press of a button. The downside of that is it resets every time you start the engine.

Now, having defended this system, I will say that I'm not a fan of it. Mostly because I don't trust it, not because of how it functions when working correctly. I had gotten into the habit of pressing the disable button every time I started my truck. Then I found out about something called Autostop Eliminator. For $99 you get a device that keeps the stop/start system from operating. But it still allows you to turn it back on using the factory switch. Highly recommended for anyone who is interested in turning this system off without having to press the button every engine start.