Considering a 2020 Power wagon

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AGAIN what does your door sticker say? my 2020 build says 6000 my door sticker says 4750 and I bet yours does too.
 

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AGAIN what does your door sticker say? my 2020 build says 6000 my door sticker says 4750 and I bet yours does too.
The door stickers takes into account the springs. The build sheet takes into account just the physical part. Power wagons have soft springs there for have a lesser rating. A diesel has stiff springs to have a higher rating.

As the truck rolls down the assembly line, what part to they pull off the shelf for the front axle? The build sheet say the power wagon, 3500 and 2500 all get the 6000# axle housing. I work in a factory but I can't be the only one that understands this.
 

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The door stickers takes into account the springs. The build sheet takes into account just the physical part. Power wagons have soft springs there for have a lesser rating. A diesel has stiff springs to have a higher rating.

As the truck rolls down the assembly line, what part to they pull off the shelf for the front axle? The build sheet say the power wagon, 3500 and 2500 all get the 6000# axle housing. I work in a factory but I can't be the only one that understands this.
I totally understand the 6000 housing is the same, if you look at a post I made at the beginning I said they have the same front axle.... post #4, the set up is different however and more than just the springs. I asked the owner of AEV if he would consider making a set of HD coils for a power wagon and he told me no and that the articulink is something that causes the vehicle to list when too much weight is added.
 

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bowerpower should be checking in any moment with photo and measurement of his pw 6000 axle compared to regular 2500 6000 axle :anitoof:
 

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bowerpower should be checking in any moment with photo and measurement of his pw 6000 axle compared to regular 2500 6000 axle :anitoof:
Well, wouldn't luck have it that the ram dealer across the trees from work doesn't have any new heavy duties. I'll gave to look for used ones.

The other problem is that spot you pointed at is not perfectly round. I need to measure the circumference to get a proper measurement of the diameter of the tube. If I tried to measure the across, line of sight changes the measure. When I measure the power wagon, it looks like a 4 inch diameter but you said it's around 3.5 inches. I find it funny you think ram makes 2 compley different #6000 axles. One for a truck that sells less than 2500 units a year.

I do admit that I didn't take into consideration the articulink. Would be something to look into if one was putting a snow plow on front. Would be interesting to see someone test that.
 

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Well, wouldn't luck have it that the ram dealer across the trees from work doesn't have any new heavy duties. I'll gave to look for used ones.

The other problem is that spot you pointed at is not perfectly round. I need to measure the circumference to get a proper measurement of the diameter of the tube. If I tried to measure the across, line of sight changes the measure. When I measure the power wagon, it looks like a 4 inch diameter but you said it's around 3.5 inches. I find it funny you think ram makes 2 compley different #6000 axles. One for a truck that sells less than 2500 units a year.

I do admit that I didn't take into consideration the articulink. Would be something to look into if one was putting a snow plow on front. Would be interesting to see someone test that.
I think a lot of pw run snow plows. I‘m thinking the issue would be from a heavier cab over camper or the like.
 

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I think a lot of pw run snow plows. I‘m thinking the issue would be from a heavier cab over camper or the like.
I didn't think of that. I was think of a over head car hauler but I'm not sure if that's a thing on light duty trucks.
Would those be the only reason to need a stronger front end? I don't know why you'd need to put 6000 pounds on the front axle.
 

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I didn't think of that. I was think of a over head car hauler but I'm not sure if that's a thing on light duty trucks.
Would those be the only reason to need a stronger front end? I don't know why you'd need to put 6000 pounds on the front axle.
I have a go fast camper (these are light under 500lbs) and with just me and my wife so 350lbs between us I am at 4620lbs on the front axle. put a heavier camper and more gear up front I would be heavier. I think until people actually weigh their trucks they have no idea how close they are to maxing out their front axles.

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I have a go fast camper (these are light under 500lbs) and with just me and my wife so 350lbs between us I am at 4620lbs on the front axle. put a heavier camper and more gear up front I would be heavier. I think until people actually weigh their trucks they have no idea how close they are to maxing out their front axles.
Interesting, that makes me think the front axle rating is just barely enough for the truck by it's with anyone in it. Most of the camper weight should be on the rear axle. The front added weight would be mainly the passengers.

On a side note, you're truck has nearly perfect 50/50 weight distribution just like a sports car.
 

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Well, wouldn't luck have it that the ram dealer across the trees from work doesn't have any new heavy duties. I'll gave to look for used ones.

The other problem is that spot you pointed at is not perfectly round. I need to measure the circumference to get a proper measurement of the diameter of the tube. If I tried to measure the across, line of sight changes the measure. When I measure the power wagon, it looks like a 4 inch diameter but you said it's around 3.5 inches. I find it funny you think ram makes 2 compley different #6000 axles. One for a truck that sells less than 2500 units a year.

you may be in over your head with this discussion if your suggesting these trucks have oval axle tube:banghead:.
theyre round just like they always have been since the stone age.
once you find a regular 2500 youll see the passenger side of the pumkin has 3.8" diam tube that maintains 3.8" diam into the cad portion of the housing.
pw is 3.5" out of the pumkin passenger side and steps up to 3.8" into the cad section.
 

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I had a 2018 PW and it pulled my 6400lb travel trailer just fine 8hrs through west TX. My 2020 with the 8 speed is even better.
 

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you may be in over your head with this discussion if your suggesting these trucks have oval axle tube:banghead:.
theyre round just like they always have been since the stone age.
once you find a regular 2500 youll see the passenger side of the pumkin has 3.8" diam tube that maintains 3.8" diam into the cad portion of the housing.
pw is 3.5" out of the pumkin passenger side and steps up to 3.8" into the cad section.
Oval? The axle has reinforcement ribs along the bottom so I can get a tape measure around the tube. I suppose I could measure rib to rib. Difference in diameter will still shoe.

Why would the passenger side tube be different but not the drivers. On top of that, why would it be any different if it's just gonna step up to the bigger size anyways.
 

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your trying the bend a steel tape measure around the tube ? good hell man.
i use digital calipers but just use a piece of string then measure the length and that gives you circumference and convert it to diam.
 

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your trying the bend a steel tape measure around the tube ? good hell man.
i use digital calipers but just use a piece of string then measure the length and that gives you circumference and convert it to diam.
You can't be serious. Those ribs stuck down about 3/4" off the tube/center section. I'm sure I can figure something out when I look at it more.

I was never going to bend a steel tape measure. I have a flexible sewing one around here somewhere. I like the string idea, I didn't think of that.
 

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you may be in over your head with this discussion if your suggesting these trucks have oval axle tube:banghead:.
theyre round just like they always have been since the stone age.
what’s the saying?
“The pot calling the kettle black?” HaHa maybe you could correct your arrows on your photo. The fellow is just trying to follow your directions.
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e rated bfgs and a Hensley hitch unless you have a 5th wheel. Stiff and solid@74mph Just maybe bring an extra gas card. 8.6 in mountains. 9.6 otherwise, prob better if you go slower . Change the tires to e rated and if it sways get a Hensley or pro pride. If it sags put in air bags. I didn’t need them. That is a 2018 30 classic ( which is really a 31 or 32 depending on who you ask) and in those photos it had 4 mos of crap in it. Tools, generator, 3 seasons of clothes books, bud lights, bikes, pots,pans it adds up - has to be 10,500 The 35s cost 1 mpg.
 

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drawing on a phone is not easy. you measure diam at the red arrow which is 3.8". diam at yellow is 3.5. you can see how the tube OD steps down. regular 2500 is a constant 3.8 into the pumkin. the step down from 3.8 to 3.5 is why the axle doesnt have a full 6000 like regular 2500 and 3500. put whatever springs you want in there but the housing is not 6000 rated. sorry for the bad news

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So what axle is this? is it shared with any others? Also what component is it accommodating?
 

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I bought a 2020 PW in April. Had the same concerns as you. I have a 27ft travel trailer that weighs 7500 lbs fully packed. 680 lbs on the tongue. Bought the PW anyway and had a set of airbags thrown into the deal. Took the truck and trailer on a 6000 km trip this summer from northern Canada to the 49th parallel, through mountains and prairies. The PW towed like a champ with only 15 lbs of air in the airbags. Very solid and noticeably more powerful than my previous RAM 1500. So for your trailer, you would be fine. If you are planning to get a bigger unit, then you might want to hold out for a diesel.
 

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Well, I'll be damned! In that one spot it is slightly smaller. I have measured other spots too if someone need to see them. Crazy Jerry is not completely crazy after all. Unfortunately for him, the build sheet clearly states 6000# axle. The 5th photo will be more proof of that. Might be a reinforcement for the torque of the Cummins engine. All I could find was a 2019 Cummins at the ford dealer of all places. New and used ram HDs are sold out.
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If you go to mopar.com, you can sign in and see all the equipment your truck is equipped with. We don't have to argue about the size of the gas tank because it is clearly stated that it is 31 gallons. Lets keep looking for other helpful information... oh wait... does that say "6000# front axle" as standard equipment. While Crazy Jerry is right about that smaller spot on the power wagon front axle, he is wrong that it is rated for less than 6000 pounds. If you take into account the springs and articulink then 6000 pounds is to much. If you're worried about the front axle, then limit what you put above the cab or hanging off the front bumper. Luckily, when you're towing by bumper or fifth wheel/gooseneck, most of the wait is put on your rear axle which is a 6200 pound axle.
 
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