Ram Updates: What we know so far

[tjfdesmo]

Generator at the fuel station.

Pretty sure 0.00% of stations near me have backup generators.

 

[7milesup]

That person from upper California, that stated they are 100 % renewable power, tha

That person from upper California, that stated they are 100 % renewable power, that is hard to do

Not really that hard. Takes some money, but not hard.

Of course, convincing the petroleum guys here is a lesson in futility.

 

[KKBB]

Bahahaha. Yeah, every gas station I have seen has a backup generator out back, NOT. LOL.

I didn't say everyone does, but in my small town of 1500 people...1 of the 2 gas stations in town does, and we have utilized it several times.

 

[KKBB]

Pretty sure 0.00% of stations near me have backup generators.

I'm not saying they all do...just saying it is a possibility and 1 of the 2 gas stations in my town of 1500 people has one and we have utilized it more than once when power was out.

 

[demonram]

Has anyone else seen the "uh-oh, we didn't think of that" circumstances in California? More an more people are buying EV's and now guess what? There's pretty serious concerns on how much longer the electric grid can support it! As summer approaches (and a heat wave now), between increased demand from air conditioners and now more people plugging their electric sh*tboxes in at night, they're stating there will be an increase in rolling black-outs.
Great job.....Make it more difficult and costly to use oil and force people to switch energy sources before the infrastructure can support it!

California's electrical grid has an EV problem

California has set out to become a leader in the green transition, aiming to rid its electrical grid of all carbon sources by 2045. The state is already the nation’s top producer of solar, geothermal, and biomass energy, according to the U.S. Energy Information Administration, with renewables...

finance.yahoo.com

I had several discussions about this very thing with another poster on here. He is an engineer and has years of experience with this type of energy production and distribution. My argument is that we do not have the infrastructure that will allow a total EV nation. It will be years before that is possible. I will concede that at some point, we, as a country and world, will have to have alternative means of propulsion, as we eventually will deplete the oil supplies in the ground. They can't just say, "this is what we are going to do" without the resources to do it.

 

[mikeru]

Pretty sure 0.00% of stations near me have backup generators.

Because there's been no need. You don't think a gas station owner wouldn't buy a generator if they found out they would be without power for an extended period of time? They'd have a choice between buying a generator and staying in business, or losing their business because they can't sell any fuel. People adapt. They're not going to just sit around on their thumbs once they see issues with extended power outages.

My neighborhood lost power a couple years ago after a storm knocked a tree down and took out several power poles. Estimated power outage was for 3 days. Nearly everyone in the neighborhood now has generators.

 

[njjeff201]

Solar & wind will become more in use… and no, wind doesn’t cause cancer.

 

[tjfdesmo]

Lots a folks drinking free bubble up and eatin' rainbow stew, I guess.

 

[mtwofeathers]

if the greenies want all electric, and you don’t use oil, coal, or nukes, what the hell are they planning to use to generate this magic fuel. One other thing, where will they choose to dispose of these lithium wonders.

Since my house runs totally on solar, why can't I charge a EV vehicle? No power lines out where I live. My well is 300ft down, solar pump brings it up to tank. I van go weeks on my tesla batteries with the AC on too.

Kinda sounds like the guy who told me I can't push 1200 hp with my diesel. Never say never. Someone will prove ya wrong

 

[GTyankee]

Gas stations really don't make money from gas being pumped
Their real profit comes from what they sell inside the store

But, without electricity, they can not open the cash register.

 

[mtwofeathers]

Solar & wind will become more in use… and no, wind doesn’t cause cancer.

I had a piece of cancer on my arm. Sun caused doctor said. It had been the 50 years. Told the doctor he is full of it.
I don't have power lines up near me. But solar and wind do a fair job of keeping my house going. When it's a 115 degrees outside. It's 74 or colder inside.

 

[Dusty]

The environmental professionals have unfortunately been hijacked by a subset of reactionary and obsessed sycophants who claim with great moral superiority and elitism that their ideas, intertwined with their collectivist political beliefs, should require the unwashed world to uncritically accept their methods and be taken as the only ‘true word’ in solving environmental issues. In part the EV effort is about acquiring power, and it’s a lot to do with converting the culture. There’s a belief that in order to impress, sensitize, and indoctrinate the general population into the new church of ‘environmentalism,’ there should be negative consequences to disobeying their every plan or word. Cultural and economic pain must impact each individual every day to remind them that strict adherence to every suggestion is the only true path to moral salvation. There is no better way to do this than to affect how people move about within a society, like driving a car.

The reduction of Green House Gas (GHG) is most certainly an enviable goal, but the adherence to the prophet’s rules are much more important than the stated goal itself. Most certainly when looking at the facts, there would be far more logical and productive areas to address in the reduction of CO2 than personal automobiles. But that is not where the efforts are because it does not punish consumerism directly, and it does not convert everyone into uncritical, self-loathing followers. Car owners have the least political power. As a category, and on a list of global CO2 producers, personal automobiles finish almost dead last, far behind agriculture and forestry, power generation (goal & gas burning power stations), major transportation (aircraft, ships), and industry.

Enclosed is a link exposing some critical facts regarding the EV push: THE BIG EV LIE. Why They Won't Save the Planet & All About Dirty Electricity | TheCarGuys.tv - YouTube

Regards,
Dusty
2019 Ram 1500 Billet Silver Quad Cab 2WD, 5.7 Hemi, 8HP75, 3.21 axle, 33-gallon fuel tank, factory dual exhaust, 18” wheels. Build date: 3 June 2018. Now at 70251miles

 

[Kickboxer]

I would call it another religion, another obsession, it’s just competing with the current ones.
My electrical power comes from 100% renewable, we have that choice in Northern California. No you don’t instantly buy an EV and instantly stop using oil and gas to generate power, but you sure as heck can’t start to switch without EV.
And this is coming from someone who’s driving a 2021 V6 Etorque Ram Rebel, which is lucky to get 18 miles per gallon driving as carefully as possible.

How is it going to work in California ? You do not have enough electicity now, hence rolling blackouts coming again this summer.
And now your Gov. wants all EV's coming by 2030 ? That is not possible.
In large cities, many people rent an apartment, they do not have access to a
charger of any kind.
It is folly to think any of this will happen, anytime soon.......

 

[MikeinSonoma]

I’m not sure where you live that you’re getting rolling blackouts but in Northern California, I’m not seeing them I haven’t for years. Now Texas…
I’m willing to bet they said the exact same thing when they first came out with internal combustion engines, “You can let your horse feed anywhere there’s not gonna be a gas station everywhere or even enough gas!”
Our infrastructure will change as fast as vehicles do, that’s the beauty of the free market. Now you have something other than your bank of batteries to charge during the day. I think the way we look at solar panels will completely change it’ll be a partnership between batteries in the house and batteries in your car.

 

[MikeinSonoma]

I am NOT on the train of everything needs to be EV now, but lets be realistic here rather than tout non-fact based talking points.

They aren't telling the truth about how dangerous the batteries are, how many vehicles have caught fire. -EVs are not a conspiracy theory, but it is certainly more fun to look at it that way
Not to mention, there won't be enough charging stations to actually service all the proposed vehicles. -Most EV owners are using home charging, so this is not a real issue, just one touted by those against EVs. Plus most households who own an EV also have an ICE vehicle that they use on longer trips. One day there will be enough infrastructure to easily road trip in an EV without planning out stops, but it can be done today relatively easily with some prior planning.
Next , has anyone seen how environmentally destructive lithium mines are? -As opposed to drilling for oil? Pretty sure every few years there is a major spill in an ocean somewhere.
Next, where are they supposed to dispose of all the old batteries? -They recycle them, already. The companies that do this are sure to be the next big thing on Wall St.
Also, how are average people supposed to afford to buy new vehicles? -How do avg. people afford to buy any new vehicle, whether it be EV or ICE? When a 1/2 pickup truck now starts around $50k when you actually add a few options? Not sure, but somehow they do because EVERY manufacturer has a wait list if you order a new vehicle, and they all sell for over MSRP. Even a Kia with a sticker price of $40k is selling for closer to $50k right now, so somehow people are affording it.
Where is the power coming from to create enough electricity to charge all these vehicles? -Whether or not all of these EVs were coming on line now or later, we have seen plenty of issues in Cali and Texas with their power grids (and the issue is NOT EV charging at the moment), so the grid needs work. EVs becoming more popular just might make people realize sooner how much needs to be done.

You hit on most of the items I thought about as I read that comment. Something else we should realize, when they first came out with ICEs everybody said the same thing, is there going to be enough gas and gas stations. Can you imagine driving across country in the beginning? Charging stations are a whole lot easier than putting in a gas station. There’s going to be growing pains, that should be expected and perfectly normal.
In the long run an electric engine is much cheaper to make than an ICE, that should help people buy cars and maintain them.

 

[Dodge 1500 4X4]

You hit on most of the items I thought about as I read that comment. Something else we should realize, when they first came out with ICEs everybody said the same thing, is there going to be enough gas and gas stations. Can you imagine driving across country in the beginning? Charging stations are a whole lot easier than putting in a gas station. There’s going to be growing pains, that should be expected and perfectly normal.
In the long run an electric engine is much cheaper to make than an ICE, that should help people buy cars and maintain them.

Always have ONE in the crowd!!!!

 

[GTyankee]

I live in a town of 100,000
there must be at least 4 High Schools
There are several 75 to 100 unit apartment complexes

The thing about EV Charging Stations, the parking area has no place for a Charging Station
Maybe they could remove one trash dumpster, but that would cause issues, just like when someone washing clothes, does not immediately remove their clothes from a machine when it is finished.
I have seen clothes taken out of a machine & just tossed in a corner, when someone had to wait to put their clothes in a machine. I will lay a plastic bag on the machine with the owner clothes on top of it & then put their clothes on the bag & those clothes will often still be there hours later

 

[GTyankee]

 

[bankshot]

you can not use that horse in that manor. The animal rights warriors will be all over you.

 

[2012RAM1500RT]

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At least the horse is in front of the cart (car) instead of the cart before the horse like we're trying to do! While I'm thinking about it, the one's comparing going from ICE cars to EV's to back when they were going from horseback to a car with an engine doesn't make sense. First off, we have no one to ask how they looked at that change. Not even an apples to apples comparison so come up with something else! Pretty sure the majority would rather have a car! We'll never know!