RP 20-820 are gone, what do I do now?

[Dodge 1500 4X4]

Summit Racing has the Fram XG2 available, I'm going to give them a chance.

 

[ramffml]

I sure can't - but it seems I have a unicorn Heavy Duty variant made on a Friday with unique coolant hose routing:

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Thats a Fram Ultra XG 10575 in there - just about touching the molded lower radiator hose. I've since switched to Royal Purple 20-500, same OEM diameter but longer than the Fram.

It may just be the picture but it almost looks like you could loosen the clamp on the coolant hose and angle it away from the filter? Maybe that's why your truck is "unique" and can't fit the larger filters?

 

[corneileous]

Summit Racing has the Fram XG2 available, I'm going to give them a chance.

You must have a Summit store close by because I don’t know why anyone would wanna go online and buy a filter when they can just go to their local Walmart and pick it up for nine bucks. Or I don’t know, maybe that Fram filter’s not available at every Walmart… LOL

 

[06 Dodge]

Curious, where did you see that the Mopar filters are rated at 35 microns?

Regards,
Dusty
2019 Ram 1500 Billet Silver Quad Cab 2WD, 5.7 Hemi, 8HP75, 3.21 axle, 33-gallon fuel tank, factory dual exhaust, 18” wheels. Build date: 3 June 2018. Now at 75848 miles

Googled it, I wanted to see if they had improved them since I last check on them backpack in 2010

 

[HEMIMANN]

It may just be the picture but it almost looks like you could loosen the clamp on the coolant hose and angle it away from the filter? Maybe that's why your truck is "unique" and can't fit the larger filters?

Yeah, I didn't want to loosen the whole system after I'd just changed it to try a bigger oil filter. It sure could be different assemblers moving things around differently.

On our assembly lines at work, we only specified on drawing notes and work instructions a specific orientation if it were necessary for fit and function.

In this case, note they installed an anti-chafing sleeve so's they didn't have to worry about Bert or Ernie reefing on the assembly.

 

[EdGs]

XG2 fitment on my 2015 1500 SLT

 

[runamuck]

Which mobile one product do you use being that there’s so many of them? Here in a couple weeks when I do my oil change I’m gonna use the mobile one extended performance because even though I don’t plan to run that many miles that they say that’s good for, I just figured that would be the one that would probably have the most additive in it because it’s “designed” to go extra long OCI’s.

I guess in a way I’m still kicking around the idea of that mobile one oil filter for our trucks but being that there’s just so much praise about that Fram XG filter, that’s probably the one I’m gonna go with. I would just really like to know how that filter compares to the XG2 and even though that is supposed to be a better filter, is it that much better that it makes the regular XG inferior to it or is the XG2 only just better to the point that the regular XG is still considered a good filter.

I use the full synthetic. the filter I use for my ram truck is M1-113. I have used that Fram xg filter before and it worked fine. I dont have the tick sound and my oil pressure when out on the road stays around 52-53#

 

[corneileous]

I use the full synthetic. the filter I use for my ram truck is M1-113. I have used that Fram xg filter before and it worked fine. I dont have the tick sound and my oil pressure when out on the road stays around 52-53#

OK but which mobil 1 product? There’s the plain synthetic, the extended performance, there’s the high mileage, there’s the high mileage extended performance and then there’s the truck and SUV.

I guess it probably would’ve been OK for my application being that I try not to go over 6500 miles on my oil change but once I read that filter wasn’t necessarily a full synthetic media filter, I decided against it.

 

[HEMIMANN]

Mobil / Exxon have been proliferating and changing formulas like mad, SOPUS (Pennzoil) too. It's difficult to keep up and assess.

Over on Synthetic Oil thread, members have been talking up Mobil 1 FS 0W-40, there may even be a Blackstone thread UOA to look at by this time. Now there's yet another new one, Mobil 1 Super Car. Have no idea what that's about.

High Mileage just adds more seal swell additive (maybe more ester oil) to reduce oil leakage past worn elastomer seals. They recommend for engines above 75,000 miles.

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[06 Dodge]

Mobil / Exxon have been proliferating and changing formulas like mad, SOPUS (Pennzoil) too. It's difficult to keep up and assess.

Over on Synthetic Oil thread, members have been talking up Mobil 1 FS 0W-40, there may even be a Blackstone thread UOA to look at by this time. Now there's yet another new one, Mobil 1 Super Car. Have no idea what that's about.

The following URL claims this oil is just rebranded ESP formula. https://www.corvetteblogger.com/2022/03/24/mobil-1-rebrands-esp-formula-0w-40-as-mobil-1-supercar/

Mobil 1™ Supercar 0W-40 is an advanced full synthetic motor oil specifically designed for high performance cars to provide exceptional cleaning power and wear protection, and deliver outstanding overall performance. Mobil 1™ Supercar 0W-40 is proven in high performance North American sports cars and suitable for use in everyday driving and high performance track events.

From street to track, Mobil 1™ Supercar 0W-40 has been expertly engineered to help prolong the life and maintain the efficiency of emission systems in gasoline powered automobiles. We're as passionate about your engine as you are about your car.

 

[HEMIMANN]

This is what I mean - Mobil / Exxon Marketers have gone insane. Just schlepping statements and re-brands all over the place, thinking confusing customers means more sales, somehow.

As for me, it just pi$$es me of off.

 

[ramffml]

I'm using mobil 1 fs 0w-40 with an unknown amount of LG as well, not impressed with it. My engine makes a noise when idling cold that is worse with this now than it ever was with the 3 weights of Redline I used. It sounds pretty good when engine is warmed up but RL definitely sounded better all around.

 

[corneileous]

I'm using mobil 1 fs 0w-40 with an unknown amount of LG as well, not impressed with it. My engine makes a noise when idling cold that is worse with this now than it ever was with the 3 weights of Redline I used. It sounds pretty good when engine is warmed up but RL definitely sounded better all around.

Being that I’m no oil expert I have no idea if that could be contributing to it but just outta curiosity, why are you running 0W40?

I guess there could be some differences between your fifth GEN 5.7 and the 5.7 that was in my 2008 1500 but I ran pretty much the same thing you are except it was the 5W20 weight and my motor was was relatively quiet except for the huge possibility that I might’ve had the cold startup exhaust manifold tick on that truck. After it warmed up, it ran great and I ran that oil for the whole five years, 40,000 miles I had that truck. Had 29,000 miles on it when I bought it. That’s why I was glad to hear mobile 1 was once again an approved oil for Chrysler.

 

[ramffml]

Being that I’m no oil expert I have no idea if that could be contributing to it but just outta curiosity, why are you running 0W40?

I guess there could be some differences between your fifth GEN 5.7 and the 5.7 that was in my 2008 1500 but I ran pretty much the same thing you are except it was the 5W20 weight and my motor was was relatively quiet except for the huge possibility that I might’ve had the cold startup exhaust manifold tick on that truck. After it warmed up, it ran great and I ran that oil for the whole five years, 40,000 miles I had that truck. Had 29,000 miles on it when I bought it. That’s why I was glad to hear mobile 1 was once again an approved oil for Chrysler.

It was more of a test; I got it on sale and I couldn't find RL in store locally (it comes and goes) when I needed it.

I don't know why it makes that noise, just that it does and it was more quiet in the past when running RL.

Gen 4/5 ram doesn't matter, both of us are running gen 3 hemis (with eagle heads and updated lifters) so they are identical engines.

 

[corneileous]

It was more of a test; I got it on sale and I couldn't find RL in store locally (it comes and goes) when I needed it.

I don't know why it makes that noise, just that it does and it was more quiet in the past when running RL.

What were you testing for? Reason why I’m asking is because I’m just curious and from what I’ve read on here, 5W30 should be more than plenty for these engines.

What weight redline were you using?

Gen 4/5 ram doesn't matter, both of us are running gen 3 hemis (with eagle heads and updated lifters) so they are identical engines.

That’s good to hear. Other than several lifter redesigns throughout the years, I always assumed there wasn’t much change between the 5.7 that was in my old 08 to the 5.7 in even the new body-style’s.

 

[HEMIMANN]

Being that I’m no oil expert I have no idea if that could be contributing to it but just outta curiosity, why are you running 0W40?

I guess there could be some differences between your fifth GEN 5.7 and the 5.7 that was in my 2008 1500 but I ran pretty much the same thing you are except it was the 5W20 weight and my motor was was relatively quiet except for the huge possibility that I might’ve had the cold startup exhaust manifold tick on that truck. After it warmed up, it ran great and I ran that oil for the whole five years, 40,000 miles I had that truck. Had 29,000 miles on it when I bought it. That’s why I was glad to hear mobile 1 was once again an approved oil for Chrysler.

Back when the 6.4 was introduced in the cars, FCA spec'd 0W-40, I suspect, as a CYA vis range, and also think it was spiked with a fair amount of moly additive. By that time, they knew their lifters/cam were marginally lubricated, because they also put in a higher-flowing oil pump.

That oil vis recommendation followed the 6.4 wherever it went, including into the heavy duty trucks. The research and field reports I've seen show the biggest improvement is from the oil pump capacity increase. After that, the 40 weight isn't really needed unless you're racing or towing fifth wheels up an arid mountain.

5W-30 is optimal performance in most apps, excepting cold, where we drop to 0W-30 to help flowability at cold temps. Since 0W-30 shears down more, we only use for winter - not year round.

 

[ramffml]

What were you testing for? Reason why I’m asking is because I’m just curious and from what I’ve read on here, 5W30 should be more than plenty for these engines.

What weight redline were you using?

I started my journey on oils because factory synthetic oil (whatever it is) was very noisy in my engine. So I used Redline in 5w-20, 5w-30, and 0w-30 weights at different points in time.

I'm running M1 this time because it was on sale and easier to get vs Redline. So I was testing if it would sound as good as Redline does, but it doesn't. I'm very curious what the UOA report will be as I have done multiple RL reports and want to see what the official results say instead of my ears.

 

[ramffml]

That’s good to hear. Other than several lifter redesigns throughout the years, I always assumed there wasn’t much change between the 5.7 that was in my old 08 to the 5.7 in even the new body-style’s.

The hemi was reworked in 2009 which added the eagle heads and VVT and possibly some other stuff (MDS was there since 2006). But after 2009 there was only one mechanical change to upgraded lifters somewhere around 2014 or 2016, can't remember.

But after that date, the same hemi is used in 4th gens (built after that date) and classics, as well as 5th gens.

So your 4th gen 2018 Ram has the same hemi as my 5th gen 2019. But your 2008 hemi will be quite different.

 

[corneileous]

I started my journey on oils because factory synthetic oil (whatever it is) was very noisy in my engine. So I used Redline in 5w-20, 5w-30, and 0w-30 weights at different points in time.

I’m not really sure what that factory semi synthetic crap that was in my engine brand new would’ve eventually made my motor sound like if I had left it in there long enough for a full interval because being that I couldn’t find any real information regarding whether or not the factory fill needs to stay in them brand new engines that long so I had the dealer drain that crap out before it hit 3000 miles on the odometer and had it refilled with whatever the step up to full synthetic was which is why I’m pretty certain factory fill is just semi synthetic because in order to get the full synthetic at the dealership, I had to pay about $25 for my “free” first oil change.

I'm running M1 this time because it was on sale and easier to get vs Redline. So I was testing if it would sound as good as Redline does, but it doesn't. I'm very curious what the UOA report will be as I have done multiple RL reports and want to see what the official results say instead of my ears.

I get that you’re using mobil 1, I’m just curious why the 0W40.

 

[ramffml]

I get that you’re using mobil 1, I’m just curious why the 0W40.

From what I understand m1 0w-40 is pretty much a 30 weight for either it's entire life or most of it.