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I have had horrible luck with DD products. I will not support them anymore after failed warranty claim on my shall light bar. So I can't comment on your fogs. But the stick ram vertical driving lights with a good set of properly indexed LEDs work great in for and especially snow. I drive the pitch black highways of Northern Ontario year round. Ditches light up great, easily pick up moose before the dart out on the road. We get some of the worst snow storms in the country up here with almost no visibility yet mine lights up the lower portion of the road extremely well cutoff line is just a couple inches below the more focused lower headlight beam area at 25ft. Once my projector headlights are finished and installed, this should be phenomenal lighting


Hi ck700

Do you use the stock LED 'so-called' fog lights or have you changed the bulbs to an aftermarket product? If so, what are you using?

My '21 Classic Warlock claims to have LED fog lights although, as we know, they're more realistically white driving lights. They work very well at lighting up the ditches, it's just they're marginal at punching the thick fog I see very often here.

I also live in a rural area with many deer & other creatures darting onto the road. And quite often the fog reduces the range of visibility such that I slow down to 40-60km/hr on some of the backroads. These are roads that I'd usually drive at 80km/hr in the day & 60km/hr at night due to creatures. :cool:

I would appreciate your input. TIA
 

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Being the "better" choice isn't always enough. Betamax had a much better picture quality than VHS did, but VHS was the format that was pushed. (Some won't get this reference and I don't care if this dates me)
Were U one of the 5 PPL who bought a Beta Machine and the giant disc's? I remember those machines. FWIW, I still got a VHS in a closet and also a DVD/VHS player somewhere, LOL.
 

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I've always thought that to properly use fog lights, you have to turn off the headlights. Something about the light being as close to the ground as possible. I've never seen a car that can turn on fogs independently of headlights which makes them just for looks.

Interesting note on color. Using red light at night isn't for retaining you eye's "night vision."... It's actually one of the worse colors to use. It's used cause it's dificult for other people to see you using it from a distance (tactical type thing). Green is technically the best color for "night vision," but dim white is best in practice.
 

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I've always thought that to properly use fog lights, you have to turn off the headlights. Something about the light being as close to the ground as possible. I've never seen a car that can turn on fogs independently of headlights which makes them just for looks.

Interesting note on color. Using red light at night isn't for retaining you eye's "night vision."... It's actually one of the worse colors to use. It's used cause it's dificult for other people to see you using it from a distance (tactical type thing). Green is technically the best color for "night vision," but dim white is best in practice.
WELL, on MY 19, I can run with Parking lights and Fogs on, just cannot do fogs and high beam, TX transportation code prohibits more than 4 lights facing forward to be on anytime vehicle operated on a roadway.
 

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Were U one of the 5 PPL who bought a Beta Machine and the giant disc's? I remember those machines. FWIW, I still got a VHS in a closet and also a DVD/VHS player somewhere, LOL.

I didn't buy into the Sony Beta scam. :cool:

I bought one of the high-end Sony VHS player/recorder instead.
I was working in a cable television lab at the time and saw the benefit of the VHS format.
Just my personal leaning, that debate is ancient. YMMV :cool:
 

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I didn't buy into the Sony Beta scam. :cool:

I bought one of the high-end Sony VHS player/recorder instead.
I was working in a cable television lab at the time and saw the benefit of the VHS format.
Just my personal leaning, that debate is ancient. YMMV :cool:
I still got a bunch of VHS tapes that recorded kid stuff while in Germany using my M7 Panasonic Recorder. Man, dat thing weighed a Kazillion pounds, LOL. Guess, one of these days, gonna have to connect cables to my old RCA DVD recorder and transfer the tapes. As U well know, VHS tapes sit a long time, sometimes U have an issue.
 

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WELL, on MY 19, I can run with Parking lights and Fogs on, just cannot do fogs and high beam, TX transportation code prohibits more than 4 lights facing forward to be on anytime vehicle operated on a roadway.

I totally agree with Mittens, it makes zero sense to have the low beams on with fogs. I wish I could use parking and running lights together without low beams.
 

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WELL, on MY 19, I can run with Parking lights and Fogs on, just cannot do fogs and high beam, TX transportation code prohibits more than 4 lights facing forward to be on anytime vehicle operated on a roadway.
I've only tried on a couple vehicles, but I've never been able to do that. I'll have to see what my 2nd gen does.

Pretty sure FL has that law too, along with height restrictions. Doesn't seem like that's the reason (most?) cars turn off the fog when high beam is turned on. My 2nd gen does it and it has a low/high combo bulb.

Wonder what constitutes one light. back in the day, you could just count bulbs... but leds seem to complicate things a bit. I've seen some new cars that must have close to 4 square feet of lighting on the front.
 

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I've only tried on a couple vehicles, but I've never been able to do that. I'll have to see what my 2nd gen does.

Pretty sure FL has that law too, along with height restrictions. Doesn't seem like that's the reason (most?) cars turn off the fog when high beam is turned on. My 2nd gen does it and it has a low/high combo bulb.

Wonder what constitutes one light. back in the day, you could just count bulbs... but leds seem to complicate things a bit. I've seen some new cars that must have close to 4 square feet of lighting on the front.
There is a whole NHTSA thing out there ref required heights and spacing, etc on lighting on a vehicle. Way too varied to get into. Also, TX transportation law has mimicked a lot of the Federal regs into TX laws. (Laws talk height, width, width beam, spacing, etc etc).

ADDED: To make sure, not talking out my "tailfeathers", ran outside and fired up the RAM. I can run with Fog Lights on either with Low beams on and/or just parking lights. PPL with a newer RAM should be able to do this, doubt it was just something programmed on a 2019 DT. But if I turn on High beams, fog lights go off as required by TX law. NOW I know I can get alphaobd and bypass, but why, LOL.
 

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I still got a bunch of VHS tapes that recorded kid stuff while in Germany using my M7 Panasonic Recorder. Man, dat thing weighed a Kazillion pounds, LOL. Guess, one of these days, gonna have to connect cables to my old RCA DVD recorder and transfer the tapes. As U well know, VHS tapes sit a long time, sometimes U have an issue.

My X had boxes of old VHS tapes when she moved in with me 15 years ago.
Thankfully, she also took them when she left. :cool:

I'm confident I have several boxes of them to go with the players I haven't pitched or donated yet.

I was thinking about the old beta/VHS debate and did recall one benefit to the beta unit but it only really applied to commercial products, not consumer grade.

Sony made a commercial quality beta-cam unit. This would have been something used at a TV news station, not something you'd buy to record Xmas with. Unless your name is Gates, maybe. :cool:

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I totally agree with Mittens, it makes zero sense to have the low beams on with fogs. I wish I could use parking and running lights together without low beams.
WELL< see my post #29, I am able. You cannot do that , ie., run with parking lights and fogs (not talking legal, but can your truck do that ie., parking lights and fogs on?) Well, maybe different Canada Transportation code requirements. But a few PPL that I know in CANADA got monster running light bars installed on the front they run when in a rural area. I just do not know enuf ref Canadian laws, as only been to Canada in Fort Frances, but did run around a lil in Quebec province south of Montreal in the late 70's (straight up Interstate 87 into Canada).
 

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My X had boxes of old VHS tapes when she moved in with me 15 years ago.
Thankfully, she also took them when she left. :cool:

I'm confident I have several boxes of them to go with the players I haven't pitched or donated yet.

I was thinking about the old beta/VHS debate and did recall one benefit to the beta unit but it only really applied to commercial products, not consumer grade.

Sony made a commercial quality beta-cam unit. This would have been something used at a TV news station, not something you'd buy to record Xmas with. Unless your name is Gates, maybe. :cool:

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When I decide to get rid of all my old VHS players, they would go to electronic disposal.,. not see a reason to donate. I got like 1 VHS movie on a shelf, plus the tapes of Kids. I do need to get a better recorder, a HD or Blueray disc recorder. My old RCA is ancient, only do 480P at it's best to record. Heck, not even sure if they R out there. MY Older son gives me HECK when I told him I had to buy a new Blueray for the LR, he said why, just download. Well, I got great 3mb DSL, not gonna dl any movie lol.
 

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ADDED: To make sure, not talking out my "tailfeathers", ran outside and fired up the RAM. I can run with Fog Lights on either with Low beams on and/or just parking lights. PPL with a newer RAM should be able to do this, doubt it was just something programmed on a 2019 DT. But if I turn on High beams, fog lights go off as required by TX law. NOW I know I can get alphaobd and bypass, but why, LOL.

Eureka! That seems to work just fine on my '21. Thanks for the wake-up. :cool:

I fired up the truck in the barn and used the light selector for parking lights, then tapped for fog.
The only lights on were parking & fog lights.

I didn't try covering the daylight sensor to see if the nanny feature will force low beams on but that doesn't sound too likely given the info you've provided.

I'm very pleased and looking forward to my next foggy drive. :cool:



Update: I confirmed the above test as successful while the daylight sensor was taped, simulating an after-dark condition. :)

Now, to wait for the fog test.

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Eureka! That seems to work just fine on my '21. Thanks for the wake-up. :cool:

I fired up the truck in the barn and used the light selector for parking lights, then tapped for fog.
The only lights on were parking & fog lights.

I didn't try covering the daylight sensor to see if the nanny feature will force low beams on but that doesn't sound too likely given the info you've provided.

I'm very pleased and looking forward to my next foggy drive. :cool:

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Just turn the Light switch off of Auto and put manual on parking lights, and hit fog light button on. I do just use the "auto" lights selector (ie., sensor off of dash), so if wanted something different, just manually select lights. Wala !!!

(The NANNY Auto sensor turn on lights the way they were left when truck was turned off, ie., low beams with fogs if on, or high beams, but of course you have to have the light beam selector left forward for high beams when u exit vehicle).
 

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WELL< see my post #29, I am able. You cannot do that , ie., run with parking lights and fogs (not talking legal, but can your truck do that ie., parking lights and fogs on?) Well, maybe different Canada Transportation code requirements. But a few PPL that I know in CANADA got monster running light bars installed on the front they run when in a rural area. I just do not know enuf ref Canadian laws, as only been to Canada in Fort Frances, but did run around a lil in Quebec province south of Montreal in the late 70's (straight up Interstate 87 into Canada).

Canadian vehicles have to have daytime running lights so you cannot totally turn of headlights and have just foglights on that I know of unless it is modified.
 

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Canadian vehicles have to have daytime running lights so you cannot totally turn of headlights and have just foglights on that I know of unless it is modified.

I can't speak to the nitty gritty legal details, however; somehow this issue has been addressed by having the parking lights on as daytime running lights without low beams.

I was a bit surprised when I saw this on my new '21 last January but after that, have seen that it's a Ram thing.

The daytime running lights are parking lights only on my stock Ram.

Yes, I can have the parking and fog lights on without the low beams, I tested this earlier today.

I'm stepping out for an errand soon and will test this again while covering the daylight sensor to prove I can also use this light configuration after dark. :cool:

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I can't speak to the nitty gritty legal details, however; somehow this issue has been addressed by having the parking lights on as daytime running lights without low beams.

I was a bit surprised when I saw this on my new '21 last January but after that, have seen that it's a Ram thing.

The daytime running lights are parking lights only on my stock Ram.

Yes, I can have the parking and fog lights on without the low beams, I tested this earlier today.

I'm stepping out for an errand soon and will test this again while covering the daylight sensor to prove I can also use this light configuration after dark. :cool:

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They can be configured for practically any one of the front lights to be the designated DRL. I have mine as the yellow turn signal LED lights as a DRL.
 

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They can be configured for practically any one of the front lights to be the designated DRL. I have mine as the yellow turn signal LED lights as a DRL.

Oops, I've been calling them parking lights when in reality, they are as you say, the front turn signals. Still, they are my daytime running lights without low beams.

Stay tuned for test results with the daytime light sensor covered.

In the old days, IIRC, parking lights were the same as running lights and included all but the headlights.

The front signal lights and a portion of the brake lights were illuminated by pulling the switch out by one click stop.
 

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OK, I completed the test with the daylight sensor on the dash taped to simulate an after-dark condition.

As turkeybird56 had suggested, on my '21 Ram, it is possible to configure the lights so that you have both fog lights (stock driving lights) & the DTRLs (turn signals) illuminated without the low beams on.

I had successfully tested this earlier today and later tested it again with the daytime sensor covered.


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Hi ck700

Do you use the stock LED 'so-called' fog lights or have you changed the bulbs to an aftermarket product? If so, what are you using?

My '21 Classic Warlock claims to have LED fog lights although, as we know, they're more realistically white driving lights. They work very well at lighting up the ditches, it's just they're marginal at punching the thick fog I see very often here.

I also live in a rural area with many deer & other creatures darting onto the road. And quite often the fog reduces the range of visibility such that I slow down to 40-60km/hr on some of the backroads. These are roads that I'd usually drive at 80km/hr in the day & 60km/hr at night due to creatures. :cool:

I would appreciate your input. TIA
The bulb doesn't change it from driving to fog. I have aftermarket led bulbs in my OEM vertical driving by light housing. They work great in all weather.
 
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