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Was watching some videos of Scotty and came across this.

I guess we can't always take the advice of "experts" to heart.
 

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Good news, there are ways to test what wears more 20 versus 30 weight.
 
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OK guys, just for an update, took apart the engine and heads to find that there were one or two lifters having some bearing issues.
To add, one of the exhaust bolts had broken so that too was contributing to the ticking noise. It's no wonder why we couldn't really pinpoint the issue. It was both. :(

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Rather than going with the thicker oil remedy, I took this route because I felt it would be better.
Doing an oil change with a thicker oil, I feel would have been just trying mask the issue and hoping that it will go away.
When I bought the truck, the mechanic did tell me that there was slight tick. We hoped that using Redline 5w30 would have rectified it, but it didn't. It only masked the issue.
If I had bought this truck new from the showroom with 0 kms and knowing what I know now, it would have been easy to prevent ever having this issue - just use Redline 5W30 for every oil change. I could have substituted Redline with any good brand 5W30 oil for that matter. Maybe even Castrol Magnatec would be good choice. Who knows.

I was hoping that I would never have to do this ever again, but the fact is that the history of this truck, or any used Ram 1500 here in Dubai, put it in danger having this issue. People are not aware that the dealer is causing it by using 5w20 oil. I don't think that the dealers themselves know, or maybe they do, that is why they are using Mopar 5w30 for most of their oil changes.
In fact, the parts guy at the dealership quoted for Mopar 5w20 and was shocked and rather confused when we gave a stern "NO!". LOL.

Now considering that after this rebuild, the engine will be practically brand new, I am confused as to what oil I should use on it.
I am tempted to try Castrol Magnatec. It seems great on paper. Looking at the voa in this list here, Oil VOA Database, it seems that Magnatec has similar properties and additives to Pennzoil Ultra Platinum. Not sure if VOA is an accurate way to testing how good an oil will perform.
However I know that if you are using Pennzoil, most people on here choose to use Lubegard.
Is using Lubegard Biotech mandatory if you are using Pennzoil?

On the other hand, I know and trust Redline. It has proven itself time and again, but it is far more costlier than the Castrol Magnatec.

I would really like to hear from someone who uses Magnatec on their 5.7 Hemi engine.
Came across this link..
https://carfluidpro.com/best-oil-for-5-7-hemi/
Interestingly it lists Magnatec as the 1st option.
 
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Thank you @Dodge 1500 4X4 & @06 Dodge.
I instructed the mechanic to use Redline 5W40 right now after the rebuild. We know it is available here and it is a proven oil; although at quite a premium compared with brands like Castrol. Lubegard is not available here locally, neither is Pennzoil. So using that combo is out of the question; unless I order them.
The plan is to use whatever is locally available and cost effective to save a bit of coin in maintenance; hence why I was looking at Castrol Magnatec.
Most of my commute is in the city, in traffic and I do run the MDS, so I was thinking that the Magnatec Stop Start would have been a good option.
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If no one else has run this oil, I suppose I could use my truck as a test subject, but having spent so much on the fixing the tick, just using Redline seems like a no brainer.

I was reading the Synthetic oil thread and there are worries about Redline changing their formula. HPL is available in the market, but at a higher price than Redline. We also have Motul 300V, and it is the same.

My brother's 2004 Durango ran fine on just normal off the shelf oil and never had the tick. It had the MDS and it ran for about 290,000 kms before we sold it. Its manual called for 5w30 so that is what it ran from the beginning.
I know the Hemi in my 2014 Ram isn't really the same and had quite a few updates since then, but I figured that much of the design remained close to identical.
 
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@Travis8352 Thanks for the advise. I was talking to a mechanic friend of mine and he suggested that since my brother's Durango with the 5.7 V8 HEMI engine, ran off the shelf 5w30 engine oil without incident, then I should consider using Castrol Magnatec and make the change intervals more frequent.
This might make sense considering that I do want to venture more off road and overlanding, it is advised to make the oil changes more frequent.
 

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@Travis8352 Thanks for the advise. I was talking to a mechanic friend of mine and he suggested that since my brother's Durango with the 5.7 V8 HEMI engine, ran off the shelf 5w30 engine oil without incident, then I should consider using Castrol Magnatec and make the change intervals more frequent.
That older 5.7 is much different that the current 5.7 in your ram. That magnatec stop start looks interesting based off their marketing. We dont have that oil here in the usa so i know nothing about it
 
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That older 5.7 is much different that the current 5.7 in your ram. That magnatec stop start looks interesting based off their marketing. We dont have that oil here in the usa so i know nothing about it
I could start using my truck as a test subject and give you guys some feedback. From what I can see the additives are on par with Pennzoil.
 
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a check to do 1st, if you are inclined to do so, is pull the valve covers and spin the engine over by hand. look for the rise and fall of the valves and springs. it is rare anymore but could actually be a broken valve spring.
anywho - it is just a piece of mind thing i would do before forking out some hard cash for a repair

also it is NOT just the hemi platform - chevy with their ls series of engines are having these same problems as are any manufacturer running any kind of cylinder deactivation
 
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@Daily Driver44 I do agree with you that most the HEMIs are not the only ones with these issues. However I sort of disagree that it has anything to do with cylinder deactivation. My brother's Durango also had the 5.7 V8 with the MDS and it never had an issue.
I think that these issues are unique to pushrod / single cam engines like the LS and HEMI when you use the thinner grade oils. It doesn't seem to appear in engines that have overhead cams like Ford's Coyote V8. It seems to me that manufacturers are moving to the thinner ones for better mpg and efficiency ratings. This comes at the cost of longevity. After about 150,000 kms, you can expect these engines to fail, if you ever ran thinner oils for any period of time.
I recall seeing a video of OverHaulin' when they will filling Royal Purple oil into a rebuilt GM V8 and used 10w40 oil
 

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Castrol Edge would cost me about 108 USD.
Castrol Magnatec would be 73 USD.
Redline would be about 160 USD.
HPL is about 168 USD

Mobile 1 European blend isn't available. We have these..
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Both of which would cost about 122 AED each

* The prices are approximate based of Amazon pricing for a quantity of 8 Litres.
 

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Id use that oil with confidence! Your best bet is either that or redline 5w30 based on your location. Is mobil 1 europen car formula 0w40 available? Thats a great oil at a cheaper price to. Cheap in the usa i dont know how it compares where you live

So, it isn't this one?

I'm just going to stick with Red Line 5w/30. My HEMI is doing just fine using that and the Royal Purple 20-820/AMSOIL EAO11.
 

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I did a search.. Isn't that an oil for Diesel engines?
Its a dual use rated oil for both gas & diesel, my self have used a duel use oil since 1980, my first dual use oil was Castrol in my both my 1960 GMC with V6 and 1972 Dodge Sebring with a 318, both of my cousins still run Rotella T6 5w40 year round not only in there personal vehicles & trucks ( that don't require 5w20 oil) but also in the old farm grain trucks be it GMC, Chevy, Ford even the old Diamond T used it, a lot of farmers we know like the idea of using just one oil that can be used in both gas & diesel engines being they buy it in 55 gallon drums...
 
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