Moe's 8sp build - [email protected]

MANual_puller · Oct 9, 2016

Paluby said:
Considering he put everything back together the night before without any testing before the track and had little to no track prep I'd say this truck has a lot more left in it and patience is a virtue. Quicker times are coming.

I agree with this. The first pass won't be 100% dialed in.

I've never been a fan of 2 piece driveshafts especially when such a short wheel base doesn't necessitate it.....

Paluby · Oct 9, 2016

Anyone know why they went to that vs the single piece in the 6spd??

Ronan · Oct 9, 2016

nickpohlaandp said:
Maybe nobody else is going to say it, but I will. I am a little disappointed. I was hoping to see much faster. You got l lot of work (well maybe not a lot of work, but certainly a lot of go fast goodies) to be cutting that king of '60 and only a 12.57. Maybe I just expect too much. What's the weight of the truck?

It's gotta be a 5000 plus pound truck, full bolt ons , heads , and a cam. How fast would you expect him to go???? My stock scat runs ~12.4's with 485 at the crank and it weighs in at 4400. Just curious what you would expect him to run???

Hemi450hp · Oct 9, 2016

nickpohlaandp said:
Maybe nobody else is going to say it, but I will. I am a little disappointed. I was hoping to see much faster. You got l lot of work (well maybe not a lot of work, but certainly a lot of go fast goodies) to be cutting that king of '60 and only a 12.57. Maybe I just expect too much. What's the weight of the truck?

Is there another regular cab 8sp you know of that has run a faster time in the 1/4 mile N/A?

I bought this truck 10 days ago. Tore it down after only putting 15 miles on it. Installed a brand new cam that nobody has used or tested before on these trucks. Had no idea what my AFR would be because I did not get the AFR gauge installed until 6pm the night before racing. Had never manually shifted an 8sp at the track until this pass. Did not do any of my normal prep (only removed spare tire and front swaybar). I was still running through the muffler. Was still running through a standard Vararam intake instead of the track intake that every record setting truck is using. Still running a stock tq converter. I can keep going.

This truck will easily run 12.0 if not dip into the 11.9's once I prep and get a little more seat time in it.

nickpohlaandp · Oct 9, 2016

Hemi450hp said:
Is there another regular cab 8sp you know of that has run a faster time in the 1/4 mile N/A?

I bought this truck 10 days ago. Tore it down after only putting 15 miles on it. Installed a brand new cam that nobody has used or tested before on these trucks. Had no idea what my AFR would be because I did not get the AFR gauge installed until 6pm the night before racing. Had never manually shifted an 8sp at the track until this pass. Did not do any of my normal prep (only removed spare tire and front swaybar). I was still running through the muffler. Was still running through a standard Vararam intake instead of the track intake that every record setting truck is using. Still running a stock tq converter. I can keep going if you would like.

This truck will easily run 12.0 if not dip into the 11.9's once I prep and get a little more seat time in it.

Take it easy champ. Like I said, I guess I just had my expectations set a little high. The way you built it up in your thread made me feel like this thing was going to tear your face off on the launch. I wasn't trying to talk smack on your build, just stating that I was expecting more. I do believe I DID say maybe I'm being unreasonable, or my expectations were too high, or something along those lines, so chill.

Do you know what the truck weighs, or what your weight was that night at least?

nickpohlaandp · Oct 9, 2016

Ronan said:
It's gotta be a 5000 plus pound truck, full bolt ons , heads , and a cam. How fast would you expect him to go???? My stock scat runs ~12.4's with 485 at the crank and it weighs in at 4400. Just curious what you would expect him to run???

I've seen full bolt on, tuned, trucks of, ahem, other makes, go faster, that's all. I was really looking forward to seeing an all motor RCSB Ram blow some **** away.

Hemi450hp · Oct 9, 2016

Its an 8sp with a stock tq converter. The fastest 60' anyone has cut with an 8sp and stock converter is a 1.76, and that was in -1500' DA...That guy was never able to duplicate that 60' either. I guarantee this truck will see 1.7 60' times as it sits once dialed in and in better air.

This truck exceeded my expectations for the minimal prep and basically blind tuning. Not to mention, I didnt even get to run the track tune. That run was made on the street tune that I drove down there on. The plan was to test a few different tunes that day, but only got to make 1 pass because of the driveshaft letting go.

The track we raced at does not have a scale, so I dont know what it weighs.

Hemi450hp · Oct 9, 2016

nickpohlaandp said:
I've seen full bolt on, tuned, trucks of, ahem, other makes, go faster, that's all. I was really looking forward to seeing an all motor RCSB Ram blow some **** away.

Nick, can you post some links to these trucks? I havent seen them at our tracks. Everyone is blown away at the numbers that some of the Ram guys are getting without having to go with a power adder.

I have been on a few of the other truck forums, and there are some quick N/A trucks, but not many with stock displacement or boost/nitrous. I have seen very few that hit 11.9 or faster N/A. Their trucks are also much lighter than the Ram trucks.

Niteboss · Oct 9, 2016

Hemi450hp said:
Is there another regular cab 8sp you know of that has run a faster time in the 1/4 mile N/A?

I bought this truck 10 days ago. Tore it down after only putting 15 miles on it. Installed a brand new cam that nobody has used or tested before on these trucks. Had no idea what my AFR would be because I did not get the AFR gauge installed until 6pm the night before racing. Had never manually shifted an 8sp at the track until this pass. Did not do any of my normal prep (only removed spare tire and front swaybar). I was still running through the muffler. Was still running through a standard Vararam intake instead of the track intake that every record setting truck is using. Still running a stock tq converter. I can keep going.

This truck will easily run 12.0 if not dip into the 11.9's once I prep and get a little more seat time in it.

What is the difference between a standard vararam and a track intake?

Pics please

nickpohlaandp · Oct 9, 2016

Either way, I have no room to talk. I'm planning on going much faster, but I'm gonna cheat by wedging a lot of power in a little truck.

I really wish someone would make a converter for the 8 speed. Seems to me you have 1.5x's in your 60' if you could get out of the hole.

What's the deal with the converters anyway? I'm sure they're A LOT more advanced than what I'm about to spit out, but I don't see why similar principles couldn't apply. On my last budget dragster I was running a TH350 and I wanted a little more than the 3800 stall I was getting. A local guy was able to cut it open and do something (remove vanes, bend them, grind them, I don't know), but when he was done I had a 4200 stall. Why can't you modify a stock converter like that?

nickpohlaandp · Oct 9, 2016

Niteboss said:
What is the difference between a standard vararam and a track intake?

Pics please

Someone posted this the other day somewhere. Remove VaraRam and install tube with large scoop... Track intake

Hemi450hp · Oct 9, 2016

Niteboss said:
What is the difference between a standard vararam and a track intake?

Pics please

The Vararam is the best performing intake you can buy over the counter, but all the record setting trucks use a home made intake for the track only. It is basically just 4" tubing that runs from the throttle body to a larger air scoop behind the grille with no air filter. Here is what mine looks like on our 2011 Ram...

nickpohlaandp · Oct 9, 2016

Hemi450hp said:
The Vararam is the best performing intake you can buy over the counter, but all the record setting trucks use a home made intake for the track only. It is basically just 4" tubing that runs from the throttle body to a larger air scoop behind the grille with no air filter. Here is what mine looks like on our 2011 Ram...

That's a cool looking TB in the first pic

Hemi450hp · Oct 9, 2016

nickpohlaandp said:
Either way, I have no room to talk. I'm planning on going much faster, but I'm gonna cheat by wedging a lot of power in a little truck.

I really wish someone would make a converter for the 8 speed. Seems to me you have 1.5x's in your 60' if you could get out of the hole.

What's the deal with the converters anyway? I'm sure they're A LOT more advanced than what I'm about to spit out, but I don't see why similar principles couldn't apply. On my last budget dragster I was running a TH350 and I wanted a little more than the 3800 stall I was getting. A local guy was able to cut it open and do something (remove vanes, bend them, grind them, I don't know), but when he was done I had a 4200 stall. Why can't you modify a stock converter like that?

My Blue truck is the only N/A Hemi truck to cut a 1.5 60' time with a stock bottom end 5.7 Ram. That is not as easy as it sounds when you are talking about trucks that weigh 4500-5000lbs.

I dont think we will see an 8sp hit that kind of 60' time. I think if 1 of these goes 1.69, it would be a huge accomplishment. The current best 8sp N/A 60' is a 1.72. That truck has every performance mod you can buy aside from a ported intake, full prep, great air, an an Edge Tq Converter.

Hemi450hp · Oct 9, 2016

nickpohlaandp said:
That's a cool looking TB in the first pic

Its our 87mm throttle body, but it just has a Billet Tech Throttle Body cover on the side plate.

nickpohlaandp · Oct 9, 2016

Hemi450hp said:
Nick, can you post some links to these trucks? I havent seen them at our tracks. Everyone is blown away at the numbers that some of the Ram guys are getting without having to go with a power adder.

I have been on a few of the other truck forums, and there are some quick N/A trucks, but not many with stock displacement or boost/nitrous. I have seen very few that hit 11.9 or faster N/A. Their trucks are also much lighter than the Ram trucks.

I'm gonna get flamed for saying this, but first, no, I don't have links. Second, the trucks I've seen run 11.5x's on motor have all been GM 5.3's and 6.0's. They probably are lighter though, and they don't suffer with transmissions that are touchier than a 13 year old ******* her period.

nickpohlaandp · Oct 9, 2016

Hemi450hp said:
My Blue truck is the only N/A Hemi truck to cut a 1.5 60' time with a stock bottom end 5.7 Ram. That is not as easy as it sounds when you are talking about trucks that weigh 4500-5000lbs.

See, I'm almost positive the GM's I've seen are a lot lighter. Makes sense.

Hemi450hp said:
I dont think we will see an 8sp hit that kind of 60' time. I think if 1 of these goes 1.69, it would be a huge accomplishment. The current best 8sp N/A 60' is a 1.72. That truck has every performance mod you can buy aside from a ported intake, full prep, great air, an an Edge Tq Converter.

What about a ghetto TC mod like I was just talking about?

Hemi450hp · Oct 9, 2016

nickpohlaandp said:
I'm gonna get flamed for saying this, but first, no, I don't have links. Second, the trucks I've seen run 11.5x's on motor have all been GM 5.3's and 6.0's. They probably are lighter though, and they don't suffer with transmissions that are touchier than a 13 year old ******* her period.

I would like to see some proof that they are running those times. When I ran the 11.99, I posted that time on the Chevy/GMC forums, and they were saying there are only a couple guys that had run quicker than that. Both were running 4000-5000 stall converters, and 1 was even shifting at 8000rpms. They were also at/below 4000lbs.

I dont think you will find many in the 5.7L range that are putting down the times that our Rams are putting down, in heavier trucks.

Hemi450hp · Oct 9, 2016

nickpohlaandp said:
What about a ghetto TC mod like I was just talking about?

That's essentially what Edge and Circle D are doing. Not ghetto rigging them, but replacing stators and impellers to achieve more stall speed. With a lack of trans tuning, I dont think either company wanted to push the limits too hard on the first units they built. I only know of 3 8sp trucks with converters, so there just isnt much out there. Cost is another huge factor because you cant just buy a cheap used core to work with...there just arent busted 8sp transmissions laying around to pull from. New cores are about $700, and then you have to pay for shipping it twice, plus the labor for whoever modifies the converter for you. Not many guys are going to want to spend $1000+ unless they can see major gains from that.

nickpohlaandp · Oct 9, 2016

Why not back it up with a TH400 and let that ***** go!

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