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CanadianNick · Jul 16, 2018

Oh I’m definitely gonna give it time and fingers crossed. I’m not just gonna dump it. This was a 150$ oil change lol.

The only thing that I find odd is how much louder it has gotten. It’s the loudest it has ever been. I think that’s the fact that makes me scratch my head.

Burla · Jul 16, 2018

That isn't common, but not unheard off either. I have even had a run like that. When oils are young, their detergent is at it's highest/strongest. It can clean away film that was keeping your engine quiet, and we have discussed this before many times. One more question, how many miles on the engine?

Fitz-0518 · Jul 16, 2018

The issue of expecting immediate results (improvement) when we try another oil brand is understandable. It has been well documented and explained by knowledgeable people on this forum. My understanding is the additives in a particular oil can take some run time to benefit the engine. In my 03 5.7, the Redline OC took about 500 miles to notice the difference. I too was taken back by a rotating noise from the valve train right after the OC. Today, engine is quite on start up and at full operating temp in 105* weather.

CanadianNick · Jul 16, 2018

Burla said:
That isn't common, but not unheard off either. I have even had a run like that. When oils are young, their detergent is at it's highest/strongest. It can clean away film that was keeping your engine quiet, and we have discussed this before many times. One more question, how many miles on the engine?

150 000kms / 95000 miles

CanadianNick · Jul 16, 2018

Fitz87gn said:
The issue of expecting immediate results (improvement) when we try another oil brand is understandable. It has been well documented and explained by knowledgeable people on this forum. My understanding is the additives in a particular oil can take some run time to benefit the engine. In my 03 5.7, the Redline OC took about 500 miles to notice the difference. I too was taken back by a rotating noise from the valve train right after the OC. Today, engine is quite on start up and at full operating temp in 105* weather.

I don’t think it’s so much that I was expecting a change overnight. I knew from doing enough reading that it would take some time. I just didn’t expect it to get louder, a lot louder

chrisbh17 · Jul 16, 2018

CanadianNick said:
Oh I’m definitely gonna give it time and fingers crossed. I’m not just gonna dump it. This was a 150$ oil change lol.

The only thing that I find odd is how much louder it has gotten. It’s the loudest it has ever been. I think that’s the fact that makes me scratch my head.

FWIW, I could swear my engine is louder on 5W-30 PUP, compared to the 5W-20 PYB the dealer used.

Im not giving up yet, hoping like everyone says, it will get better over time.

Ramnewbie · Jul 16, 2018

Just a question because I'm not a big believer in engine flushes, but, when switching a high mileage engine to redline would flushing the engine first speed up the quieting by redline?

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Burla · Jul 16, 2018

guys check this out and why i generally dont recommend switching your oil to redline or PUP in an old engine, because they are real powerful detergent oils and they will clean **** you may not want clean, lol. Anyhow, hopefully the film repopulates and it will be fine. I feel like we should have a post on redline because this will come up again.

Nick thanks for sharing.

Fitz-0518 · Jul 16, 2018

CanadianNick said:
I don’t think it’s so much that I was expecting a change overnight. I knew from doing enough reading that it would take some time. I just didn’t expect it to get louder, a lot louder

I respect your concern. I went thru Penzoil, RP and Amsoil before I got to Redline. Expensive testing for sure. Maybe I should have given the Amsoil more time. But,,could not tolerate the engine noise in that engine. I'm sure you have read, these Hemi's can be picky.

chrisbh17 · Jul 16, 2018

Burla said:
guys check this out and why i generally dont recommend switching your oil to redline or PUP in an old engine, because they are real powerful detergent oils and they will clean **** you may not want clean, lol. Anyhow, hopefully the film repopulates and it will be fine. I feel like we should have a post on redline because this will come up again.

Nick thanks for sharing.

Im at 5K miles, there better not be **** I didnt want cleaned out!

Burla · Jul 16, 2018

Well the other guy oscarider or something like name that was at 70k miles and had this happen. I could wager a dumb guess based on miles, but I think it is just dependent on which engines happen to have some gunk in their tolerances. Having said that, I always knew this was a risk and it remains a risk with especially redline but I would wager PUP as well in higher mileage engines. I know the desire to move an old engine to something "better". But sometimes maybe just sticking with generic group 3 is a good play in some applications. Looking forward to hearing the follow up in a couple weeks..

Burla · Jul 16, 2018

When you are near 75k miles many people move over to high mileage oils. Now, they also have high detergents, but they are filled with conditioners and stuff and generally are high visc oils to prevent this from happening. So that is where I would go Nick IF it doesn't work out, try a HM oil. Here is a link but to be honest I don't really follow info on HM oils, kinda goes against what I am about being a "purest". But I wouldn't hesitate to use one in a high mileage vehicle that was loud. Looks like a couple offerings in 5w30, I thought that would be rare. I would only use that if I was in a snow state, if not I would look at standard HM oil weight like 10w30. I would also lower my oci to about 5k miles. But hopefully that is all for not and the redline kicks in.

Hemi395 · Jul 16, 2018

Burla said:
Not at all, give it a while for the tribo film to populate. Many guys including myself it can take up to 1500 miles to quiet down. Now, if you hit 2,000 miles and it's still loud, you may want to find a different oil, but your experience is not uncommon. Time, heat and pressure is needed for the oil to shine. I can't tell you how many guys say this, and in another 1,000 miles say damn burla was right, lol. That is why I bothered to ask the mileage. If at 2,000 miles your truck is still loud after the switch, you would be the first verified case. One other individual also said his engine was louder, but never came back for a follow up. So either way let us know, but wait til you hit 1500 miles. H395 just reported I believe 1700 miles before his tick and loudness went away with redline? maybe he can clarify.

This last time it took nearly 2000 miles to quiet my Hemi after running SS 5w30 for 500 miles. I'll admit I was getting nervous at 1500 miles but it did eventually quiet down. I found a good long highway trip in 80*+ heat helped finally quiet it.

If I remember right, the first time I tried Redline 5w20 I had some startup clatter for the first 1000 miles or so. I wish I wrote this stuff down better I've changed the oil in the truck so many times it's insane. I'd hate to tally up what I've spent on oil for this truck

Burla · Jul 16, 2018

Yeah we all wish we took copious notes, but bottom line for killing hemi tick this is the stuff. However Nicks situation is different as in it is a high mileage without tick as I've heard it. It may be something a high mileage oil is better suited for, we will see.

U&A · Jul 16, 2018

“DrunkenHampster” (<< think i got that right) said his hemi got louder on redline and then he disappeared.

It also had a lot of miles on it at the time of his first Redline fill

huntergreen · Jul 16, 2018

Ramnewbie said:
Just a question because I'm not a big believer in engine flushes, but, when switching a high mileage engine to redline would flushing the engine first speed up the quieting by redline?

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My opinion is to let the oil do it's thing. I wouldn't do a flush.

Burla · Jul 16, 2018

My question would be how do you know you need a flush? Most people just run flushes because they are talked into it as opposed to need. If you visually saw sludge then a flush could be good. Generally speaking if your pcv is working correctly you shouldn't be needing a flush.

Also there is a flush that is ester based and it turns the sludge to ash slowly instead of fast flushes like kreen. It is a miracle worker in transmissions as well, it freed a sticky clutch pack in my old ford. Autorx I have used many times in my vehicles and professionally as well. I wouldn't use it professionally again long story I aint getting into, but this stuff can work miracles. If you had sludge you would see little spots of ash on the dip stick, then you just change the oil. only thing you can't use it with synthetic oil especially redline. You can get a cel if it is sludged but the code will go away I am told. If I thought I had a sludge problem verified, or a sticky clutch in my tranny, I would use this stuff.

Burla · Jul 16, 2018

I would use only pyb with autorx. now it says ok with synthetic, but it is still more effective with group 2 oil, another long story. Dont believe email frank the inventor.

CanadianNick · Jul 17, 2018

Yeah I’m just gonna give it time and see what happens. I mean I hear you and I’ve thought about high mileage oil but at the same time it’s got just under 95000 miles and on a truck I don’t consider that high mileage at all. Maybe 200000 miles

U&A · Jul 17, 2018

Isn’t industry standard “high milage” technically anything over 75,000.... ?

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