Snow tires?

billyw · Jul 23, 2018

Yeah it's a bit early for that ugly subject, I know.

I replaced the OEM 20" rims on my '15 1500 with after markets, and now I'm thinking I would like to put some dedicated snow tires on those OEM wheels. I live in the northwest in mountainous territory, but will be driving mostly on paved roads. I was considering some MTs but have been advised that they are not very good on ice. I do still get off road once in a while in the winter. I'm currently running ATs. Any thoughts or suggestions?

TatertotScott · Jul 23, 2018

3 Peak Mountain Snowflake (3pms) rated tires will get you through Washington amd Oregon passes per WADOT/ODOT rules in all but full closures.

They really do actually mean something, unlike M+S which is arbitrary at best.

I really liked the snow grip of my Duratracs, but in P-Rated, the noise was ferocious in my Grand Cherokee. I have had good experience with Cooper ATPs. But they aren't 3pms rated. They are still good in snow.

I have a neighbor who swears by her G015s in the snow. They are 3pms rated as well.

Then there is the obvious BFG AT KO2s...3pms, aggressive AT, and mid to high pack $$, by far the most common.

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John Jensen · Jul 23, 2018

Falken Wildpeak A/T3W (Snow Flake)

Highly rated for all conditions and lower price than most others. May not get the mileage that others proclaim, but, IMO performance is more important than mileage for these purposes.

I'm replacing my near new 17" E rated Toyo's with E rated 285x70-17 Wildpeaks this week.

BOWERSFJ · Jul 23, 2018

I've run Cooper ATW's for the last two winters here in Ohio, on my factory wheels, and they are great ... Reasonable pricing ... Clean out well ... Ride is good on clear pavement

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grizzstang · Jul 23, 2018

If you are going to have a extra wheels with dedicated snow tires I would get actual snow tires.

Something like these. Might as well stud them too based on your driving conditions.

https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tire...l&tireModel=Grabber+Arctic&partnum=76TR0GRAXL

BOWERSFJ · Jul 23, 2018

That's what the "W" stands for in ATW ... They are a dedicated All Terrain Winter snow tire, that I only run Nov-Mar

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grizzstang · Jul 23, 2018

I have seen the Cooper ATW and they look like a great tire but they are an all weather tire. You can run them year around. Cooper even lists them as all season, winter tire.

http://us.coopertire.com/tires/discoverer-a-tw_suv.aspx

I personally normally run an all weather tires but I have no desire to change wheels and tires or store them but if that is what you plan to do you may as well have actual winter tires IMO.

TatertotScott · Jul 23, 2018

Studded have proven time and again to provide no benefit over good quality 3pms studless winter tires.

Contrary to conventional wisdom, the myth that studs are useful has been superseded by newer technology advances in tire rubber.

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TatertotScott · Jul 23, 2018

The difference in grip between an AT that is winter rated (3pms) and a "proper" winter tire is smaller than most believe.

3pms requires a specific level of grip to be maintained in cold/slippery conditions across the tire industry and is independently verified in most cases.

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BOWERSFJ · Jul 23, 2018

You can, but that doesn't mean you should ... They are a softer compound rubber than their AT3's ... Softer compound works better in the winter ... Won't last for **** if you run em thru the summer ... That's why I swap em out and run my 35 X 12.50 Toyo ATll's in the summer ... 2 sets of tires, but I'll get 100,000 miles out of em

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grizzstang · Jul 23, 2018

TatertotScott said:
Studded have proven time and again to provide no benefit over good quality 3pms studless winter tires.

Contrary to conventional wisdom, the myth that studs are useful has been superseded by newer technology advances in tire rubber.

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Nokian has arguably some of the best dedicated winter tires on the planet, yet they offer several versions of their tires with studs. I admit I have not worked at a tire shop for some time but studs do help on ice and we see studded tires around here often in the winter.

https://www.nokiantyres.com/tyres/suv-4x4-tyres/winter-tyres/

TatertotScott · Jul 23, 2018

Nokian are decent, but never the top of any charts for cornering, braking, or accelerating grip coefficient....

Studs are only more destructive to the road surface, again, providing no upside unless you literally on a glare ice at all times.....

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Addicted2fishing · Jul 23, 2018

I am biased towards my duratracs. But a good Michelin dedicated snow tire will probably perform great. I also didn’t mind my open country AT on my 2008 Ram

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billyw · Jul 24, 2018

Having done some reading since starting this thread, I think the Cooper Discoverer ATW is probably the way to go. There are other worthy choices as well, but the Coopers review well, are reasonably priced, and readily available in my area.

TatertotScott · Jul 24, 2018

Good stuff. Coopers are great tires.

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Pull Ya · Jul 24, 2018

John Jensen said:
Falken Wildpeak A/T3W (Snow Flake)

Highly rated for all conditions and lower price than most others. May not get the mileage that others proclaim, but, IMO performance is more important than mileage for these purposes.

I'm replacing my near new 17" E rated Toyo's with E rated 285x70-17 Wildpeaks this week.

This is really none of my business, but that's never stopped me yet---LOL--I think your info says your in San Diego--if that's true why are you running snow tires--I can't remember the last time it snowed there.

Jay

TatertotScott · Jul 24, 2018

Pull Ya said:
This is really none of my business, but that's never stopped me yet---LOL--I think your info says your in San Diego--if that's true why are you running snow tires--I can't remember the last time it snowed there.
Jay

Tahoe/Big Bear isn't far away.....

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John Jensen · Jul 24, 2018

Pull Ya said:
This is really none of my business, but that's never stopped me yet---LOL--I think your info says your in San Diego--if that's true why are you running snow tires--I can't remember the last time it snowed there.
Jay

Every year I go to Oregon elk hunting and often encounter snow. Oregon law requires either tires with the snow emblem or chains, I hate chains. Also, go to Utah and Colorado and frequently hit snow.

And, local mountains get snow every year. However, I stay away because they get inundated with folks who have no clue how to drive or behave in the snow.

Pull Ya · Jul 24, 2018

Not questioning your motives, just thought it was strange living in San Diego and buying snow tires---I was raised in Colo and you'd be surprised the number of people that did know how to drive in the snow-----mostly transplants I assume. Safe travels---
Jay

BWL · Jul 25, 2018

I run hankook ipikes. I get 3 winters out of them easy and that's 70,000km for me. They are a dedicated winter which are studdable if you drive on a lot of ice, which I do. The mountain passes tend to melt a bit in the sunshine during the day and glare off at night so I studded mine. I find myself going as fast in winter as summer vs the BFG and toyo Ats I used to run year round where I slowed down a good 25% as I slid around a lot more. Now I have more aggressive nitto ridge grapplers for the muddy season and dedicated snow for the winter. Apart from the extra rims and tpms it really doesn't cost more to run 2 sets as each set wears out 1/2 as fast since they're only on 1/2 as much. I do a huge amount of winter night driving. Probably close to 150,000 miles of it over the last 10 years without leaving the road or hitting anything.

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