Oil Filter Thread

huntergreen · Sep 11, 2018

grizzstang said:
The Amsoil filters are basically the same price ($17.20 Canadian) but there is a flat rate freight charge of $12.00. No problem if I buy several at a time but I didn't want to spend that much this time around so I drove up to Mopac and picked up two RP 10-48's. If there are no issues and I don't anticipate any I will order a half dozen Amsoil filters if they are made by the same company as the Royal Purple. I have about 1000 miles before my next oil change.

Stick with RP filters, seems more convenient.

Burla · Sep 11, 2018

I'd use either, but since I bought like like ten years worth, I'll be sticking with the purp.

Burla · Sep 21, 2018

These were statements by Amsoil insider Pablo at bob's...

1- Same extended drain media. Amsoil has moved away from Wix as an assembly house for certain filters and now uses Champ.

The changes the guys are talking about occurred several years ago when certain Honda/Toyota filters became too restrictive during extended drains. This was beaten to death by the haters here. One guy predicted thousands of dead engines and Amsoil failing and going out of business.

2-The change from Wix had nothing to do with the media. Wix never made all the filters anyway. Napa gold filters are fine, but they don't have the same Donaldson media that the Amsoil filters use.

So he was talking about this after Champ labs started making Amsoil filters, it appears like it is donaldson media for the record. This means Donaldson must have the same media in some of their filters?

From Donaldson website,,,

Available Media Type

Donaldson exclusive Synteq™ – synthetic fiber media for greater filtration efficiency and higher dust-holding capacity

Looks pretty reasonable our favorite oil filter media has a name. Other reported features...

Features

Removes more than 90% of contaminants that are 10 microns or larger (cellulose filters typically remove 50% or less)
Double the contaminant carrying capacity of standard cellulose filters – for much longer life
Delivers lower restriction to provide maximum oil flow and lubrication.
Heavy-duty, long life seals to support extended service life

PDF.. They use the same filter media for fuel and coolant and other uses.

HammerHead · Sep 28, 2018

I spoke with a guy at champion labs today about oil filters and flow characteristics. He said multiple things contribute, like oil viscosity, oil temperature, oil pump ect ect. But, when it comes to the oil filter specifically the primary thing that regulates flow is the center tube.
We have been talking about this a few times lately so his comments sparked my interest.

Looking at the first pic of the M1-113A & M1-210A it's obvious what oil filter has more flow just by looking at them. Right? Possibly!

Now, look at the next two pics of the center tube. Hard to say what which one is which. Only way to be sure is cut them open and compare both center tube. If the center tubes are identical is the flow rate the same? I'll be sure to cut them open and report my findings.

We all know the filter media is an important flow characteristic, but the center tube is equally important from what I learned today. So I'm proposing we all start documenting the center tubes and posting them here for further discussion.

gixxer · Sep 28, 2018

HammerHead said:
I spoke with a guy at champion labs today about oil filters and flow characteristics. He said multiple things contribute, like oil viscosity, oil temperature, oil pump ect ect. But, when it comes to the oil filter specifically the primary thing that regulates flow is the center tube.
We have been talking about this a few times lately so his comments sparked my interest.

Looking at the first pic of the M1-113A & M1-210A it's obvious what oil filter has more flow just by looking at them. Right? Possibly!

Now, look at the next two pics of the center tube. Hard to say what which one is which. Only way to be sure is cut them open and compare both center tube. If the center tubes are identical is the flow rate the same? I'll be sure to cut them open and report my findings.

We all know the filter media is an important flow characteristic, but the center tube is equally important from what I learned today. So I'm proposing we all start documenting the center tubes and posting them here for further discussion.

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Bernoulli’s principle would dictate that smaller diameter means increased velocity and vice versa.

HammerHead · Sep 29, 2018

If your running the big oil filter on your 6.4 and are worried about the proximity of the lower radiator hose this heat reflecting tape is a good option.

Burla · Sep 30, 2018

I am poaching TJ's pic from another thread, the SRT filters are synthetic as well, or at least part synthetic. This is what you get when you use a paper filter, every one I ever cut open looks like the mopar filter on the left, and every synthetic filter I've cut open look like the srt filter. Either a hole is blown through the stiff paper or the bypass is open and the oil doesn't go through the paper, either way your oil simply is NOT being filtered any more when the filter is stiff= common sense. The reviewer believes the SRT is a blended media, blended or synthetic, the filter will hold up better then just paper. Interesting note, the SRT doesn't have wire back, I've never heard that before on 100% synthetic filter, but the m1 filters that we know are combo as well also don't have wire backing. I included the m1 video as well. From what I see, SRT a step up from Mopar filters, but not as good as the wired back synthetic media filters.

Burla · Sep 30, 2018

HammerHead · Oct 1, 2018

Fram Ultra- XG2

huntergreen · Oct 1, 2018

HammerHead said:
I spoke with a guy at champion labs today about oil filters and flow characteristics. He said multiple things contribute, like oil viscosity, oil temperature, oil pump ect ect. But, when it comes to the oil filter specifically the primary thing that regulates flow is the center tube.
We have been talking about this a few times lately so his comments sparked my interest.

Looking at the first pic of the M1-113A & M1-210A it's obvious what oil filter has more flow just by looking at them. Right? Possibly!

Now, look at the next two pics of the center tube. Hard to say what which one is which. Only way to be sure is cut them open and compare both center tube. If the center tubes are identical is the flow rate the same? I'll be sure to cut them open and report my findings.

We all know the filter media is an important flow characteristic, but the center tube is equally important from what I learned today. So I'm proposing we all start documenting the center tubes and posting them here for further discussion.

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Center tube design is important, but doesn't tell reflect other variables.

Burla · Oct 1, 2018

Interesting the center tube of the fram ultra looks similar to the puro blue synthetic that was the only filter that made my truck tick. That is one thing I do like about canister filters. And thinking about resource management, they just make sense. They have them some FCA engines, maybe someday they will be in a hemi. BTW, it doesn't stop them from making a profit, my wife's canister filter replacement costs more then the hemi filter despite having way less material.

KevinInVT · Oct 1, 2018

I haven't changed the oil in my Pentastar yet but it has the canister style. It takes a normal socket to remove, unlike our RAV4 which needed a specialty tool to remove. The one thing I don't like is I have minimal filter choices. Fram ultra seems to have the best, 99% down to 20 microns. Wix and m1 both are 99% down to 30 microns. The plus side to that is the Fram is the cheapest synthetic media filter I've found and has the best filtration on paper.

Burla · Oct 1, 2018

Sense you are only buying the media, I would say there would be little difference even if you could get a different brand name filter. I used to remember how those canister systems deal with bypass, but I have forgotten. I do believe there bypass is somewhere down the line.

indept · Oct 1, 2018

Burla said:
Interesting the center tube of the fram ultra looks similar to the puro blue synthetic that was the only filter that made my truck tick. That is one thing I do like about canister filters. And thinking about resource management, they just make sense. They have them some FCA engines, maybe someday they will be in a hemi. BTW, it doesn't stop them from making a profit, my wife's canister filter replacement costs more then the hemi filter despite having way less material.

Higher cost probably due to them making & selling less of the canaster variety, supply & demand

Burla · Oct 1, 2018

With the canister filters, you can almost make your own filters. If you can order some bulk spun microglass from Donaldson I bet some could figure it out. I bet if you put mesh in there you can just pack the canister with spun microglass and it would work as good as anything. With the way corporations are ****** every day Americans, at some point many of us will have to figure out alternatives just just shelling out money we can't afford. As we speak I am shopping antenas cutting the cable cord the ********. Wix xp canister filter was 23 bucks, that is just stupid imo. Pay more for a fliter that is a portion of material as a regular oil filter.

Trevor60 · Oct 2, 2018

grizzstang said:
I am creeping up to my next oil change and was looking to try the RP 10-48 but I can't seem to get one here for less than $45.00, yes you read that right, so I might give the Fram Ultra XG10060 a shot as I can get them for $15.99 at my local Canadian Tire. I believe it was in the top three in testing at the beginning of this thread. Anyone here using one and happy with them? I have avoided using Fram and their "orange can of death" most of my life so I am a little concerned.

Hi grizzstang
I get my RP filters from Amazon.ca They are 16.95 buy 2 and it is free shipping.
https://www.amazon.ca/Royal-Purple-...38488773&sr=8-3&keywords=royal+purple+filters

Also FYI if you run Penzoil PUP Canadian tire has it on sale as well.

I need to do an oil change and i am resupplying both.

Thanks to everyone for putting me on to RP filters and PUP oil for my 2017 5.7 hemi.

Trevor

huntergreen · Oct 2, 2018

Wal-Mart carries fram oil filters. Does Canada have Wal-Mart ?

grizzstang · Oct 2, 2018

huntergreen said:
Wal-Mart carries gram oil filters. Does Canada have Wal-Mart ?

Yes they do but I hate going there. It is crowed and full of lunatics. No offence to those of you here that shop there.

I can get the Fram Ultra at Canadian Tire too and I don't mind shopping there. It is what I imagine heaven would look like.

69GWC · Oct 2, 2018

Wal-Mart's crazy, some of them are just fine and some are full of crazy *** people.
Just look at www.peopleofwalmart.com .lol

Ramnewbie · Oct 2, 2018

69GWC said:
Wal-Mart's crazy, some of them are just fine and some are full of crazy *** people.
Just look at The people of Wal-Mart.com .lol

No, their all full of crazy people, you just have to pick you're time to avoid the biggest bunch of them. My wife talked me into going to Black Friday sale one year. First and last, never, never do that again.

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