Ford F-150 versus Dodge Ram 1500

Big Blue Earl · Dec 18, 2019

TomB 1269 said:
No you push the luck of everyone on the road around you. One blow out, one aggressive emergency maneuver and it's over, it's just a matter of what gets caught up in the wreck! Just your truck and trailer? You? The car on the road beside, behind, or coming at you? The 17 year old kid driving for the 1st time? Grandma / Grandpa?

I will be the 1st to admit I do dumb things with my truck, aka: 106, etc. but I do these things on empty roads / highways where its me, my truck and the trees and I am not putting the life of others in jeopardy with my antics.

I cannot agree with this more. I tow horses, and the rule of thumb is ALWAYS to have more truck than you think you'll ever need. At the moment, I'm towing a really light two horse with a 2500 gas---l could have "gotten by" with the 1500, with perhaps 1,000 lbs to spare---but then I would have had to have weighed or taken into account every single thing in the trailer or bed of the truck, in order to stay within the weight limits. Hell no. With my 2500, I can tow pretty much anything---including someone else's 6 horse (plus emergency supplies and a bunch of people) in the event of an evacuation or emergency. And this is without the diesel.

Shiva · Dec 18, 2019

I'm missing something here.
Is this the Ram Forum or the shopping channel?
We all have Rams I think or am I wrong?
What advice is expected?
Should I buy a Toyota? On a Toyota site it is yes!

Lucy Girl · Dec 18, 2019

TomB 1269 said:
Based on the specs for a 2019 the Ford 3.5 Ecoboost beats the RAM 5.7L. See link below. They do say that the RAM does have the bigger brake system, which is more important in the bigger picture (IMO).
Also with a boosted motor the advantage is the torque curve peaks much sooner, around 2500 vs just over 4000 for the 5.7L and gives it a better 0-60 time, but it also has a 100 more FT/Lbs then the 5.7L Hemi so in real world driving the engine will struggle when speeds are low and RPMS are high. Also the rear gear will affect its driveability with respect to weight being towed. IMO the 5.7L is a great motor and will pull well thru its torque band and will have a better all around manners. Does the ECO tow nice, yes at a lower RPM, but once you have to start dropping gears and increasing RPM the Hemi's gonna be nicer, less shifting, less RPM jumps, etc. Also depending on the rear gear the Eco boost will have about the same torque as the 5.7L when turning about 4000 RPMs when looking at the torque graphs.

Also add there is a weight difference between the F150 and the RAM across all 3 cab styles and it makes a difference in the performance numbers, but adds to its drive ability. More TV (Tow Vehicle) weight more stable the combo, again IMO.

Also, the Ford may be rated to tow more, but as we all are aware your trailer weight is directly related to your payload, and 1500 lb payload is a 1500 lb payload regardless of your trailer weight. So your average 30ft camper with a 12% tongue weight (TTs tend to range from 11 to 13% tongue weight) from the factory and a 7000lb GVWR is gonna take up 840lbs of your 1500 lb payload regardless of being Ford, Chevy, or RAM.
In the end it really is all about payload. Find what you like with the Payload to support your needs.

2019 Ford F-150 Limited 2019 Chevy Silverado High Country 2019 Ram 1500 Limited
0-60 MPH 5.1 Seconds 5.4 Seconds 6.2 Seconds
0-60 MPH (towing) 10.0 Seconds 10.6 Seconds 11.9 Seconds
Braking 70-0 MPH 168 ft 175 ft 184 ft
https://www.fordf150blog.com/2019-f-150-3-5-ecoboost-vs-6-2-silverado-vs-5-7-hemi/

Sounds like a Ford is in your future. If so well see ya. RAM trucks sold here. LOL. JMO

Lucy Girl · Dec 18, 2019

Shiva said:
I'm missing something here.
Is this the Ram Forum or the shopping channel?
We all have Rams I think or am I wrong?
What advice is expected?
Should I buy a Toyota? On a Toyota site it is yes!

my post I just made was almost like yours. RAMS SOLD HERE. NOT fords or chevys. Thanks very much as I am with you. NO Toyota’s either. LOL I

Chancedawg · Dec 18, 2019

I have actually owned a 2011 F150 with the 5.0 and a 2015 with the 3.5 ecoboost, currently have a 2019 ram 5.7 with the 3.21 rear end. the 2011 5.0 was twice the motor from a towing standpoint then the ecoboost. The Ram pulls better than the 5.0. The ecoboost is very overrated and the mileage towing a 3400 pound boat was under 8. The hemi averages 11-12 during aggressive driving and 13-15 with a bit more civil driving in the mountains of Tennessee.

seabrook · Dec 18, 2019

I would say any of the top rated trucks would tow fine the biggest difference is how far you tow comfort wise- my uncle tows 7000 and had a new chevy texas Edison 5.3 and it toed fine but on his trips he would b gone over 2 months at a time so he recently bought a 2020 Chevy 2500 z71 6.6 gas and he said he is much more comfortable and paid 47k for it

dhay13 · Dec 18, 2019

^^^agreed. My sons camper is about 8000lbs loaded. I towed it with my 2013 1500 200 miles pretty easily but it did work pretty hard on longer hills. I bought a 2500 for our boat that weighs about 9000lbs so when my son found out he had to take his camper 1500 miles he bought a 2500. A 1500 would have towed it but it wouldn't be fun towing it that far. He has a Husky TS WDH and even with the 2500 he said the trailer would sway a little when a semi would pass him. Can't imagine how uncomfortable that would be in a 1500

jwynnejr1 · Dec 19, 2019

kingdada1 said:
I want to safely pull a pull-behind travel trailer with a max GVWR of 7,000 pounds as well as say, 700 pound payload in the truck (people and equipment).

What is your opinion on a Ford F-150, 3.5L V6 with Ecoboost versus a Dodge RAM 1500 5.7L V8?

Any plusses or minusses on each?

Thanks.

I traded from a 2017 3.5 Ecoboost FX4 10 speed to a 2018 Ram 2500 6.7. The ecoboost will do the job and maintenance is cheaper. It’s a smaller and easier to maneuver vehicle when you’re not hooked up to a load. They come with some better features for towing - like the back up assist and blinkers that don’t only flash three times to change lanes when you’ve got a trailer attached. Without a trailer, a stock 6.7 Cummins 2500 doesn’t have the get up and go anything like a 3.5 twin turbo ecoboost. The Cummins puts out about 300 more ft lbs torque than the ecoboost, but I can’t feel it pulling my normal 4000 pound load. Not to mention you can expect to pay about 20 grand less for the f 150...

Chad777 · Dec 19, 2019

I’m pretty impressed. This is a ram forum yet people are speaking kindly of the F150 eco-boost and people for the most part aren’t doing much hating. I’ve had a 2011 and 2015 F150 3.5 EB, both 3.55. I now own a ‘17 Laramie CC 5.7 3.91.
I will say the F150 is a lot more pleasant to tow with. It pulls noticeably stronger loaded and unloaded. I sure love the V8 sound of the hemi though! UNTIl I have my enclosed trailer behind it and I have to listen to that exhaust screaming at 4000+ RPM for miles at a time. That’s gets old. Fast.

jwynnejr1 · Dec 19, 2019

Chad777 said:
I’m pretty impressed. This is a ram forum yet people are speaking kindly of the F150 eco-boost and people for the most part aren’t doing much hating. I’ve had a 2011 and 2015 F150 3.5 EB, both 3.55. I now own a ‘17 Laramie CC 5.7 3.91.
I will say the F150 is a lot more pleasant to tow with. It pulls noticeably stronger loaded and unloaded. I sure love the V8 sound of the hemi though! UNTIl I have my enclosed trailer behind it and I have to listen to that exhaust screaming at 4000+ RPM for miles at a time. That’s gets old. Fast.

Isn’t that funny? Shows how tolerant we Ram owners are. Also funny how a half ton pickup can tow more comfortably than a 3/4 ton!

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Tom Powers · Dec 19, 2019

Fieldoc said:
This. Had the same setup.

Your EcoBoost would get 27 to 28 on the highway like my Ram?

jwynnejr1 · Dec 19, 2019

Tom Powers said:
Your EcoBoost would get 27 to 28 on the highway like my Ram?

What kind of tune are you running to get that kind of mileage? 2wd? Cummins?

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Tim Garceau · Dec 19, 2019

Getting pretty deep in here, comparing gas mileage on 400hp towing vehicles.

I bet the pony car forums are boasting about their turbo ****box getting better fuel economy than the v8s. Cost to maintain and longevity, even Ford engineers choose the 5.0 for a reason. The ecoturds are only designed to last a few years(medium duty work) so idiot fanboys buy another.

jwynnejr1 · Dec 19, 2019

Tim Garceau said:
Getting pretty deep in here, comparing gas mileage on 400hp towing vehicles.

I bet the pony car forums are boasting about their turbo ****box getting better fuel economy than the v8s. Cost to maintain and longevity, even Ford engineers choose the 5.0 for a reason. The ecoturds are only designed to last a few years(medium duty work) so idiot fanboys buy another.

I could say the same thing about the Hemi, regarding them being designed to last only a few years...

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Tim Garceau · Dec 19, 2019

Rebuilding turbos and replacing internals on a strung out, high tolerance, and fully-machined engine is not cost effective no matter what you tell yourself every night before bed.

Number one on sales because of leased and rental vehicles, fanboys unite!

GrumpyOleMan · Dec 19, 2019

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Tim Garceau said:
Rebuilding turbos and replacing internals on a strung out, high tolerance, and fully-machined engine is not cost effective no matter what you tell yourself every night before bed.

I realize this is a RAM forum and I now drive a RAM and I love it. but my last truck was an F150 with the 3.5 EcoBoost. It had 185,000 miles on it when I traded it in and was still running strong. I would buy RAM again in a heartbeat, but I have no regrets about the Ford either.

jwynnejr1 · Dec 19, 2019

GrumpyOleMan said:
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I realize this is a RAM forum and I now drive a RAM and I love it. but my last truck was an F150 with the 3.5 EcoBoost. It had 185,000 miles on it when I traded it in and was still running strong. I would buy RAM again in a heartbeat, but I have no regrets about the Ford either.

I feel the same way. There’s one ass hat in every crowd who has to put his two cents in and try to get a rise.

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Tim Garceau · Dec 19, 2019

There are exceptions, how often did you tow 3+ tons and how many 12 second quarter mile passes in its life?

My grandparents Crown Vic can go 200k miles with just general maintenance to this day back and forth to the grocery store.

10 speed and both v6TTs are nothing but over-engineered money pits.

RVGuy · Dec 19, 2019

I love my Ram. I won't buy an EcoBoost because I know that I'll always have that nagging thought in the back of my mind "What if the turbo goes?".
That being said I disagree that they're only made to last a few years. Turbos are used in a lot of gas motors nowadays, and while the average person doesn't keep their vehicles long enough for it to matter I'd be willing to bet a lot of them go the distance.
There's a guy on the Ford forum who rolled over 300k miles awhile ago on the stock turbos on his 2.7 and he's still going. I've seen a lot of 1st gen 3.5s around here used with upwards of 200k miles.
It's my personal preference that I likely won't own a FI gas truck, but I'm not delusional enough to believe that Ford would stake their entire fleet of vehicles on it if they didn't believe it would last. Like any other engine if you maintain it and don't beat the hell out of it then it should last, but there's always a few bad apples among the engines, Rams aren't any stranger to that either though.

GrumpyOleMan · Dec 19, 2019

Tim Garceau said:
There are exceptions, how often did you tow 3+ tons and how many 12 second quarter mile passes in its life?

I towed regularly, 3k to 9k lbs. as for the 1/4 mile well I don't buy a Ferrari to haul a sofa and I don't buy a truck to race, so the answer is never.

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