Anyone HAPPY with Borg Warner 44-44 / Auto 4WD

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How cool is this !

As the OP, I was concerned that the Borg Warner 44-44 in my (then) new Ram was junk. Now I discover that it's not only NOT junk, but an entire aftermarket business has evolved within my thread.

"Merica Baby" !

I've only had to use mine in 4 wheel drive a few dozen times in over 2 years and it's worked fine, and it's stock. We have pretty mild winters in Southern Illinois so I'll probably just leave mine stock. I don't play, but I do have a cabin in the woods and pull a small trailer from time to time with mowers, 4 wheelers, etc.

Thumbs up Brandon for your obvious genius !
Thanks Murphy! I hijacked your thread for the better for all of us. [emoji16] I'll say if it weren't for this thread I probly would have just rigged up something for me and completely left it alone but too many others had the same problem.
 

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I received the harness from @Brandon-w yesterday and installed it this morning. Now I feel like I have a true 4x4! This thing definitely locks up now like it should have from the start. Thanks Brandon for an awesome product!!
 

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Been reading through this thread. I'd like to get one of those switches. Checked eBay and didn't see any listings for it. Curious on price and if it's safe to leave on constantly if needed.
 

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Another question. Might be an ignorant one. Can you just put the 3- button switch from the 44-45 in and use Alfa obd to fool it into locking the 44-44 up like that switch from Brandon does? Or is it a completely different way that the 45 works vs the 44?
 

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Been reading through this thread. I'd like to get one of those switches. Checked eBay and didn't see any listings for it. Curious on price and if it's safe to leave on constantly if needed.
Contact @Brandon-w on here, he makes them. I don't know if he's been putting them on eBay or not yet....
 
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The 44-44 serves my purpose just fine as it is.

I never intended this truck to be a full on off road vehicle like a Power Wagon.

I just needed something to pull the boat and ATV around with.

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Hey guys, just wanted to let you all know I am building harnesses again, I'm way behind so I apologize for the delay. I currently have three built and will be contacting those on my list (in order) who have been patiently waiting. It's been very cold here so I Havnt had a chance or bravery to test these out yet.
Thanks for your patience everyone
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Just wanted to let everyone know, it snowed for about 5 minutes this morning in south texas ( very rare ). I took out the beast, put it in 4WD and ... well.. i did not get stuck. Clearly this thing is the best of the best.

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It's a beast alright !!!
 

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I don't think you need your jeep for that. You should be fine. This thread has got people so damn spooked. There is nothing wrong with this case. There is only a few that have problems with it. Everybody just needs to put there big boy pants on and hit the 4wd button, and go get some bread and milk and beer.:happy107:


What are you going to do with the bread and milk ??? Beer will do it all !!! :drunk:
 

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well, i've yet to experience this, but from what I gather, the clutches are disengaging when the user stops spinning tires, so when they do it repeatedly, it heats up. I don't think this is related to the fluid, because it requires a special type from mopar.

I'm more curious as to how many times the user is having to constantly let up and back on. I'd LOVE to see a video from start to finish of what you guys are doing to heat up the cases.



What I understood was that in auto 4wd the clutch engages when the computer senses that either the front and rear drive shafts are turning at different speeds due to a tire spinning and disengages the clutch when the shafts are going at the same speed no matter what you are doing with the throttle pedal.. Is this not correct ??
 

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BW44-44 transfer case

I've been following this thread, and others like it since I bought my sport in Feb.

Out of curiosity and concern, I've done some testing and disassembly to try and figure out how this TC works. I have a mechanical engineering background, so the mechanicals are very simple. The electrical and computer controls took a little more effort.

The part of the system that seems to be questionable is a three part system, called, and patented by a BW engineer, the electromagnetic clutch with ball ramp actuator and torsion spring.

The ball ramp can simply be thought of as a type of big ratchet. This is why the system doesn't bind, the ball ramp acts as a ratcheting mechanism between the front and rear drive systems. When turning, and the front wheels are following a larger radius than the rear wheels, these ratcheting mechanism (ball ramp), allows the front wheels to rotate at a higher speed than the rear wheels. Simply put, if your in a turn and have good traction, then you're being pushed along by the rear wheels only. Should the rear wheels begin slipping such that their speed becomes = or > than the front wheels, the ball ramp will start driving the front wheels too.

Next I'll discuss the electromagnetic actuator, torsion spring and the clutch pack. I'll refer to the front drive system, it's associated clutch plates, shafts, wheels, etc, as the "driven" system. Also, I'll refer to rear wheels, clutch plates, ball ramp, etc as the "drive", system.

In a nutshell, the ball ramp is disabled, and no torque throughput allowed, unless the electromagnetic actuator is energized, thus enabling the ball ramp. When the electromagnetic actuator is energized, the ratcheting mechanism between the driven system and the drive system is engaged. So, regardless of the knob setting in the cab, the entire ball ramp clutch system can only exist in 2 possible states energized, and not energized.

The system doesn't use the typical pressure plates/springs found in common clutches, rather the ball ramp itself applies the compressive forces between the clutch's drive plates and driven plates. As the ball ramp, is a torsional ramp, like a screw, the more torque = more compressive forces on the clutch plates.

So, in a nutshell. When the electromagnetic actuator is off, the clutches are disengaged.
When the electromagnetic actuator is energized, the rear wheels will need to spin about 1/2 turn 180° ramp/ball arrangement, before the ball ramps apply sufficient axial force to the clutch plates to engage the front, driven system. If you let off the throttle, then the torque differential between the drive/driven systems dissapear and the torsion spring returns the ball ramp to it's unlocked position. If you then mash the throttle again, (assuming the electromagnetic actuator is still energized), the rear wheels and hence the drive portion of the ball ramp will rotate untill
it catches up the the driven portion of the ball ramp (within 180° of rotation (2 180°opposed balls/ramps). , like a ratchet, it will begin rotating the front, driven, system again.


Now, to the electricals:

Really simple, I isolated the circuit under the truck, that controls the electromagnetic actuator, and put my multimeters hall effect coil around it. Testing in mud and snow in the north Cascade mtns.

4 auto only shows current when the rear wheels slip. So, in 4 auto, when the rear wheels start slipping there is current flow to the electromagnetic actuator. As soon as the front wheels start spinning at the same speed as the rear, the current flow disappears. The front wheels continue to spin in the mud, even without the electromagnetic actuator powered. Obviously as long as there torque being applied to the ball ramp, they stay locked together. If I let off the gas then hit it again, same results. Rear wheels spin first, then the multimeter shows current flow and then front wheels spin. Front wheels reach the same speed as the rear the the multimeter shows the current turns off. All wheels continue to spin untill I let off the gas.

Now to 4 lock and 4 low:
The circuit to the electromagnetic actuator shows current flow. At idle, at all throttle settings, and with the steering wheel turned from lock to lock.

This means that in 4 lock or 4 low, the determinant factor will be torque applied to the 2 halves of the ball ramp. If there is sufficient torque to overcome the torsion spring, the front wheels will be driven. If there isn't, they won't.

The videos posted showing a vehicle at idle, in 4 low, with the rear wheels only turning are likely the result of the drive system not applying sufficient torque to the ball ramp, to overcome the torsion spring and engage the driven portion. It may be that so little torque is applied to the ball ramp under those conditions that it simply isn't engaging. If it took more than the smallest amount of throttle to get the front engaged, then likely there's a problem.

Possibly something out of adjustment or clearanced incorrectly.


So, in summary:
2wd:
no power to the ball ramp, only the rear wheels pushing.

4auto:
no power to the ball ramp unless, rear wheels spin faster than the front, computer momentarily energizes the ball ramp and the rear drive system engages the front, driven, system untill rear and front wheels speed match. Front system is driven untill front wheels rotate faster than the rear wheels, such as in a turn, thus allowing the balls to drop out of the ramps. And disengage the driven system.

4lock and 4 low:
Under all conditions the ball ramp is energized. Any time the rear wheels (drive system) rotate faster than the front wheels, the ball ramp will ratchet the front (driven system) along at the same speed. If the front begins tracking around a larger radius than the rear (all turns), the ratcheting nature of the system will allow it to do so freely, with no binding. (Theoretically, if you turn at a radius that advances the driven system 179° beyond the balls engaged position, the next time you encounter a slip situation the rear wheels will spin appx 1/2 turn before the front engages).

This little review shows only the facts. I have no opinion regarding the comparitive effectiveness of this system, as I'm not an off road enthusiast. I'm a nerd. This system could be the best thing since sliced bread or complete garbage and I wouldn't know either way. My truck is very pretty though��, in it, from a distance, I look kinda off-roadsey.

Hope this was helpful.

Great explanation ...Thanks for your input.. I love my Ram period.. and it's red too... win win... :driver:
 

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I recall a member in another thread, or perhaps another forum was upset because ram declined to repair his bw44-45 after he destroyed it.

Apparently he was recovering a boat on a slick algae covered boat ramp. Apparently the traction control was limiting wheelspin to maintain the highest level of traction, so he deactivated it. After which, with all 4 wheels were spinning at high speed, he inched the truck/trailer/boat up the ramp.

Once the truck reached the dry, non-algae infested portion of high-traction concrete, the angular velocity of the front wheels of the locked 4wd system decelerated from high velocity to 0, over the course of about 0.01 �� seconds.

The mass-moment-enertia of the rear wheels keep them spinning despite the fact that they were locked in sync with the front wheels via a system of gears and shafts.

The gears and shafts acted as a brake, by twisting, breaking and shearing, they served to reduce the angular velocity of the rear wheels, untill they matched the front, at an angular velocity of -0-. Needless to say, the parts that self-destructed were all the expensive ones.


Perhaps a 2nd advantage of the 44-44. It's way more tolerant of the non-technically savvy user. These days, most all vehicle buyers are in that category. Watch "idiocracy" sometime, it's a rather prophetic documentary.

I just heard a interesting statistic this morning. 7% of American ADULTS believe that chocolate milk comes from brown cows.

BTW: please forgive my spelling and grammar errors. My Droid has a tiny thumboard and a gnarly autocorrect feature that is nothing short of maddening.



So where does brown milk come from then ??? :baby: :drink_nl: asking for a friend !!!!:********:
 
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