What DON'T you like about your RAM?

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I sure hated it on my 08 but it’s pretty much non-existent noticing on my 18, even with a modified Carven exhaust.


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Interesting, I notice it right away if I forget to turn it off with my aftermarket muffler.

It sounds horrible like the world's smallest diesel on deceleration and the hesitation as it comes off MDS to all 8 cylinders is annoying.
 

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Interesting, I notice it right away if I forget to turn it off with my aftermarket muffler.

It sounds horrible like the world's smallest diesel on deceleration and the hesitation as it comes off MDS to all 8 cylinders is annoying.

What year truck you got? I don’t know anything about between years from 09 to 17 but it’s not no where near obnoxious to me on mine. I mean, I only bought that tuner for my old truck for pretty much the sole purpose of turning that god-forsaken mds off because it made that exhaust sound like utter ****. The new one, it’s a good thing it’s just outta my price range and other reason to do it to have to buy a whole new computer just to be able to tune because as much as I hated the mds on the old truck, it’s well within my tolerance level on the new one.


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My '15 with a Mufflex/Magnaflow-18 was pretty unbearable with MDS enabled.

My '20 with Borla Type S is unpleasant, but bearable with MDS enabled. But I still almost always disable it. I plan to get an HP Tuner to tune the truck and turn it off. This because I plan to put a Whipple SC on it when they release it for the '20, and that requires an HP Tuner anyways.
 
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I sure hated it on my 08 but it’s pretty much non-existent noticing on my 18, even with a modified Carven exhaust.
Maybe they made it better after '16? I'm driving a '16 Sport 4X4, rcsb and I have the Flowmaster Outlaw direct replacement muffler.
Even with the MDS disabled by the buttons on the steering wheel, I can hear the "***** farts" sometimes when it's downshifting. Maybe it's in ECO mode? I kinda hate that.
 

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I do not like how the middle front seat on my 40/20/40 does not have a shoulder harness it only has the lap belt. Has anybody figured out a MOD to get a shoulder harness in the jump seat?
 

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I do not like how the middle front seat on my 40/20/40 does not have a shoulder harness it only has the lap belt. Has anybody figured out a MOD to get a shoulder harness in the jump seat?

Probably because there’s not a secure enough place to hook a shoulder belt to that flip-up console?? You’d probably have to attach the shoulder belt up on the ceiling of the cab and, who’d want that? Besides, they probably look at it like that’s probably the last seat to ever get filled and when it does, it’s probably gonna be by a small person, most likely a small kid who probably wouldn’t benefit from anything more than just a lap belt anyways.


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Probably because there’s not a secure enough place to hook a shoulder belt to that flip-up console?? You’d probably have to attach the shoulder belt up on the ceiling of the cab and, who’d want that? Besides, they probably look at it like that’s probably the last seat to ever get filled and when it does, it’s probably gonna be by a small person, most likely a small kid who probably wouldn’t benefit from anything more than just a lap belt anyways.


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I was hoping to find a way to put in a 3 or 4 point harness but trying to see if there had been someone that found a good solution or even having a new middle seat made that matches what ford did on some of there 40/20/40 splits.
 

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Probably because there’s not a secure enough place to hook a shoulder belt to that flip-up console?? You’d probably have to attach the shoulder belt up on the ceiling of the cab and, who’d want that? Besides, they probably look at it like that’s probably the last seat to ever get filled and when it does, it’s probably gonna be by a small person, most likely a small kid who probably wouldn’t benefit from anything more than just a lap belt anyways.


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Wrong. I mean don’t get me wrong there’s a reason our Rams are a bit cheaper on average to purchase compared to the other major truck makers.

Case in point: Ford got it done and they also made sure to have a removable headrest so your (the small person/kid) neck doesn’t break in an accident:
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Wrong. I mean don’t get me wrong there’s a reason our Rams are a bit cheaper on average to purchase compared to the other major truck makers.

Case in point: Ford got it done and they also made sure to have a removable headrest so your (the small person/kid) neck doesn’t break in an accident:
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I highly doubt because of a middle front seatbelt is why those Phord’s are so incredibly more expensive.

But maybe someday Ram will follow suit. Kudos to Phord.


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I highly doubt because of a middle front seatbelt is why those Phord’s are so incredibly more expensive.

But maybe someday Ram will follow suit. Kudos to Phord.


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No not the seatbelt alone but a cumulative effect of small details etc.

I’ve had both and they have their flaws etc. but fords been doing things like panoramic moonroofs, bigger flatter back seats/floors, factory power steps, better headlamps on premium models, just a bunch of those little things.

And it’s not that Ram doesn’t follow suit and eventually make things better (but come on, I mean how long did it take Ram to put some Fn headlights on a truck that are worth a damn?). It took until the 5th gen to get rid of our dangerously dim incandescent lamps...even on the highest of trim levels.

I think Ford just stays a little on the forefront of the nicer options which is why there’s a little more of a premium for them. Oh and they comparatively have much more capable payload and tow ratings which is nice for the majority of truck owners in the half ton segment.

And Phord as you call them looks to have one upped everybody again with the soon to be released 2021 F-150 so it’ll be back to chasing them. But I’m okay with that because I keep my trucks for a while and my 17 Ram isnt going anywhere. But I can still have the ability to look at other trucks and acknowledge they can be nicer unlike you lol.
 

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No not the seatbelt alone but a cumulative effect of small details etc.

I’ve had both and they have their flaws etc. but fords been doing things like panoramic moonroofs, bigger flatter back seats/floors, factory power steps, better headlamps on premium models, just a bunch of those little things.

And it’s not that Ram doesn’t follow suit and eventually make things better (but come on, I mean how long did it take Ram to put some Fn headlights on a truck that are worth a damn?). It took until the 5th gen to get rid of our dangerously dim incandescent lamps...even on the highest of trim levels.

I think Ford just stays a little on the forefront of the nicer options which is why there’s a little more of a premium for them. Oh and they comparatively have much more capable payload and tow ratings which is nice for the majority of truck owners in the half ton segment.
As someone who's has owned a 2015 F150, 2017 F150, 2018 RAM 1500 and now a 2020 RAM 1500 I have to disagree on a couple things here.

The late model F150s have horrible halogen headlight output. Dangerous even. The LED prior to 2018 were pretty bad as well. My 2018 RAM was a Laramie so it had the projectors and with a good LED bulb they performed far better than the Ford. I just picked up a 2020 Laramie Longhorn and I am happy with the output of the quad LED headlights it has.

My 2017 had the dual pane moonroof and it was cool until it broke. These were highly defective and they were getting replaced at a high rate accordingly. By the time mine broke, they were simply applying a repair kit to the broken piece. As soon as it started acting up again, I traded for my first RAM. The 2018 RAM had a moonroof and was flawless. The quality of the 2018 is the reason I bought the 2020. The 2020 has no moonroof and I am ok with that too.



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No not the seatbelt alone but a cumulative effect of small details etc.

I’ve had both and they have their flaws etc. but fords been doing things like panoramic moonroofs, bigger flatter back seats/floors, factory power steps, better headlamps on premium models, just a bunch of those little things.

And it’s not that Ram doesn’t follow suit and eventually make things better (but come on, I mean how long did it take Ram to put some Fn headlights on a truck that are worth a damn?). It took until the 5th gen to get rid of our dangerously dim incandescent lamps...even on the highest of trim levels.

Well yeah, I will agree that Ford seems like they’ve always had a lot more amenities offered further back in the day than ram has but that only matters to somebody who actually needs that extra stuff.

But it’s funny how you chose the headlights as the primary point that Ram fell short enough on that you had to go into greater detail towards.

Who cares if ram didn’t put the best of lightbulbs in their headlights? Just because they chose cheap bulbs, why blame RAM for that when there’s plenty of stuff in the aftermarket that allows us to buy specifically whatever it is we as individuals want?

You know, I’ve read a lot of comments where everybody ******* about even the premium projector headlights on the upper models of the fourth GEN ram pick ups. Yeah, I know, for such a great headlight design in my opinion, they could’ve put some better bulbs in there but see, when they do that, that’s what drives the cost of the truck to go up and probably the reason why ford’s upper models are a whole lot more expensive is because of that.

Why do you think a brand new 2019 or 2020 ram 1500 Limited costs so much more more than even what my 2018 ram 1500 limited cost? Yeah, I paid a pretty penny for my truck primarily because for one, it had to be brought down from another dealer and two, it was a 2018 model and it wasn’t even 2018 yet when I bought it. But even with the lifetime warranty I bought with it, it still was less than $60,000. nowadays, how much is a brand new 2019 or 2020 Limited gonna cost you that has a lot more of that stuff that you speak of on it, like the auto deploying side steps, the split tailgate, the better headlights, the 12 inch screen and whatever else? I guarantee you, you won’t get one for cheaper than what I paid for the one I’ve got, if you buy it new off the lot unless you just get the sweetest deal possible.

But back on the subject of the the headlights; mine weren’t the greatest, but they did their job better than any other stock setup and I could see just fine at night. And I’m one of the pickiest people you’ll ever see when it comes to quality headlights and quality wiper blades but still, I wasn’t crazy about the headlights that they stuck in there so not even three weeks or so into owning my brand new pickup, I went down to the auto parts store and I bought me some much better lightbulbs to go in there that worked excellent at that point, really without even needing to upgrade to LED highs and fogs and HID lows. I only did that because I wanted to and they are in fact better but still, it wasn’t out of necessity.

I think Ford just stays a little on the forefront of the nicer options which is why there’s a little more of a premium for them. Oh and they comparatively have much more capable payload and tow ratings which is nice for the majority of truck owners in the half ton segment.
Well, good for them. And again, who cares about that much more payload and towing capacity? Even if I had something that I pulled regularly that was well within the 11,000-pound capacity of my half-ton, I wouldn’t be doing it with a half-ton anyways. I woulda bought a 3/4-ton that would’ve been a much more desirable tow-rig for something that heavy so again, **** on Phord for thinking they’re all that and a sack of tater chips for letting people think it’s safe to pull a 13,000 pound trailer behind a half-ton.

And Phord as you call them looks to have one upped everybody again with the soon to be released 2021 F-150 so it’ll be back to chasing them. But I’m okay with that because I keep my trucks for a while and my 17 Ram isnt going anywhere. But I can still have the ability to look at other trucks and acknowledge they can be nicer unlike you lol.

If it’s not already obvious, I’m not a fan of Phord. Never have been and certainly aren’t now. I think building them out of aluminum is stupid, and some of the things you think are “better”, I think are completely unnecessary but that’s just me. If you think they’re nicer, good for you but don’t in a sense belittle me because I’m unimpressed. If I liked Phord, or was impressed by them, I’d probably be driving one.


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As someone who's has owned a 2015 F150, 2017 F150, 2018 RAM 1500 and now a 2020 RAM 1500 I have to disagree on a couple things here.

The late model F150s have horrible halogen headlight output. Dangerous even. The LED prior to 2018 were pretty bad as well. My 2018 RAM was a Laramie so it had the projectors and with a good LED bulb they performed far better than the Ford. I just picked up a 2020 Laramie Longhorn and I am happy with the output of the quad LED headlights it has.

My 2017 had the dual pane moonroof and it was cool until it broke. These were highly defective and they were getting replaced at a high rate accordingly. By the time mine broke, they were simply applying a repair kit to the broken piece. As soon as it started acting up again, I traded for my first RAM. The 2018 RAM had a moonroof and was flawless. The quality of the 2018 is the reason I bought the 2020. The 2020 has no moonroof and I am ok with that too.



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And My father has a Ram with a leaky 3rd brake light that molded in the headliner, vinyl wrinkling on the pilars, and his truck has “hemi tick”. So i could say Ram is pure garbage since none of his problems are rare in the least bit.

But I know better than that, and I know all manufacturers have issues. Some catastrophic like the 5.7 issues that more than enough guys get.

I was just giving Mr. Cornelius a hard time because he thinks Ram can do no wrong.

None of the trucks are flawless which is why I’m in no hurry to get rid of my good ol Ram.

But I see you didn’t touch on how the F series out tows and hauls our trucks hands down...which impacts price since it’s a more capable truck.
 

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And My father has a Ram with a leaky 3rd brake light that molded in the headliner, vinyl wrinkling on the pilars, and his truck has “hemi tick”. So i could say Ram is pure garbage since none of his problems are rare in the least bit.

But I know better than that, and I know all manufacturers have issues. Some catastrophic like the 5.7 issues that more than enough guys get.

I was just giving Mr. Cornelius a hard time because he thinks Ram can do no wrong.

None of the trucks are flawless which is why I’m in no hurry to get rid of my good ol Ram.

But I see you didn’t touch on how the F series out tows and hauls our trucks hands down...which impacts price since it’s a more capable truck.
I am not going to get into a debate about which truck does what better. Does the F150 have higher payload ratings than a RAM 1500? Slightly. But if payload is your primary concern you would be looking at a 3/4 ton or higher honestly. So, that may be a deciding factor for a few on the 1/2 ton class but not most.

Honestly, the 2018 RAM had far fewer annoyances for me than the two prior F150s. The Ford Symc system really sucks. I had no problems with the 8.4 UConnect in the 2018. I hear older UConnect versions were crappy too though.

My real point in the previous post is more about Ford not having better materials or options than RAM offers. The interior finishes on the 2020 Longhorn are absolutely astounding. I know Ford has the King Ranch but I doubt it is even as good, let alone better.

I have been a Ford man for atleast 27 years before getting my first RAM. Ford has lost many points with me in the last 8 years or so.

I agree that all manufacturers have their issues. Right now I am happy to have a RAM.

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And My father has a Ram with a leaky 3rd brake light that molded in the headliner, vinyl wrinkling on the pilars, and his truck has “hemi tick”. So i could say Ram is pure garbage since none of his problems are rare in the least bit.

But I know better than that, and I know all manufacturers have issues. Some catastrophic like the 5.7 issues that more than enough guys get.

I was just giving Mr. Cornelius a hard time because he thinks Ram can do no wrong.

None of the trucks are flawless which is why I’m in no hurry to get rid of my good ol Ram.

But I see you didn’t touch on how the F series out tows and hauls our trucks hands down...which impacts price since it’s a more capable truck.

Well I guess I’m in a class of my own because I knew about the leaky third brake light gasket so whether or not the problem was addressed by 2018- I’m thinking it might of been because the gasket material on the OEM light housing seemed to be a little thicker than the material on my old 08’s third brake light but since I wanted a LED third brake light to compliment the factory LED tail lights, the aftermarket light I got from Putco had a really thick piece of weatherstripping on it that was almost an inch thick and so far, I’ve yet to be plagued with that wet carpet/stained headliner problem.

As far as that cheap, vinyl **** they put on the doors, I only ripped mine off because down where the Limited shiny steel window trim attaches to the doors, the screws they put in from the back side kinda wrinkled the material a little bit and after I saw pics of what it looks like without it, I woulda removed it, wrinkled or not.

And there’s a lot more to it behind that Hemi tick that most of it can probably be avoided by limiting the idling, using the best full synthetic oil and synthetic oil filter you can find, and not waiting upwards of 8,000 miles to change it like that ultra-conservative oil life meter is notorious for doing. Hell, even following the advice on this forum and switching to 30-weight oil is probably one of the best things you can do to not fall victim to the Hemi tick. If my truck didn’t have lifetime warranty on it, I’d probably be running a 30-weight as well.

But contrary to popular belief from some of you fellers who think this, no.... I don’t think Ram’s are perfect and can do no wrong. They have their issues just like the rest but I am a Ram fan, I am on a Ram forum so if it seems like I’m biased towards Ram then well, what would you expect?

But I wouldn’t say they’re a lot more of a capable truck just because Phord tries to make them to do the work of a 3/4-ton. That’s ridiculous.


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Wrong. I mean don’t get me wrong there’s a reason our Rams are a bit cheaper on average to purchase compared to the other major truck makers.

Case in point: Ford got it done and they also made sure to have a removable headrest so your (the small person/kid) neck doesn’t break in an accident:
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I wonder if there is a way to get this to mount safely in the RAM. May be something to look into.
 

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Wrong. I mean don’t get me wrong there’s a reason our Rams are a bit cheaper on average to purchase compared to the other major truck makers.

Case in point: Ford got it done and they also made sure to have a removable headrest so your (the small person/kid) neck doesn’t break in an accident:
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So it looks like in 2019 Ram started to change the front jump seat his the image I found it is off of the 2019 and it appears to only be in the tradesman. I am waiting to see what the dimensions are to see how close of a fit it actually would be.

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...fords been doing things like panoramic moonroofs, bigger flatter back seats/floors, factory power steps, better headlamps on premium models, just a bunch of those little things.

...come on, I mean how long did it take Ram to put some Fn headlights on a truck that are worth a damn?

I think Ford just stays a little on the forefront of the nicer options which is why there’s a little more of a premium for them. Oh and they comparatively have much more capable payload and tow ratings which is nice for the majority of truck owners in the half ton segment.

So, just why is it that you participate in this loser forum?
 
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