Is it bad to use the transmission to decelerate

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When Towing on a Downhill Grade:
  • Before towing downhill, slow down and shift into a lower gear.
  • Let off the gas pedal to allow the engine to help you control your speed.
  • DON’T ride the brakes on downgrades. Prolonged use of the brakes can result in overheating and even loss of braking ability.
  • If you need to slow down, press the brake pedal and slow down below the speed you intend to go. THEN, let off the brake pedal completely and repeat as necessary.
When Towing on an Uphill Grade:
  • To prevent your tow vehicle from jerking due to engine lugging when traveling uphill, shift into a lower gear. This also helps improve gas mileage and reduce engine overheating.
  • If you are driving up a long or steep grade, shift to a lower gear and be prepared for your vehicle to slow down significantly.
  • If there is a lane designated for slower traffic, use it.
  • Turn on your tow vehicle’s flashers* if your speed drops below 45 miles per hour (MPH) and other traffic is traveling faster than you. *Drivers are advised to check their local laws regarding the use of flashers while towing.
  • Monitor your gauges closely. If the engine temperature starts to increase, turn off the air conditioner until the temperature stabilizes well below the “hot” designation, which could be 45 MPH or less.
  • If the temperature climbs too high, pull off the road to a safe place and stop. Once you have stopped, don’t turn the engine off. Shift to park or neutral and let the engine cool while idling. You can increase the engine RPM slightly to cool faster.
Remember:
  • Never ride the brakes when towing on a grade, as this can cause them to overheat and become ineffective. This could potentially lead to a runaway tow vehicle and trailer when descending grades

I thought this was the question the OP was asking.

This is text book driver's Ed.

Guess i have been doing this wrong my entire life.

Maybe we are all thinking he is asking a different question. Maybe I am wrong.

The engine transmission and brakes are designed to control the truck. Each serves a different purpose

Down a grade. Lower gear less brakes.
 

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In large commercial truck (or airliners) it is a no brainier to use engines to assist in deceleration because the brakes can actually fade.

In a consumer grade vehicle. Nah.

So what of your brakes take more wear and tear than if you used the engine to help slow down?
Aren't the brakes consumable anyway????


This debate is equivalent to asking:
"Should one shorten the lifespan of a permanent part in order to prolong the life of an expendable part?"

If I had a nickel for every time I saw someone spend $200 to save $2....

As far as actual brake fade in a consumer vehicle?
Yeah, I had it happen only ONCE to me and I'm 53 years old. I was coming down Mauna Loa on Hawaii Island. That is a descent of what, 13,700' to about 7-8,000' in a timespan of about 15(?) minutes. Yeah, I experienced true brake fade in a consumer grade car. Had to use the handbrake and downshift disturbingly harshly. But that was in a cheap tiny rental. I have since gone down that mountain on more substantial vehicles and at a more realistic pace, and brake fade never even came close.

So NO, do not use the engine to decelerate.

After I got my first pilot's license I started to drive as if I fly.
The two are different activities and not interchangeable. Had to give that up and go back to plain old driving, and not "flying a car on a road."
So don't drive your one ton car-witha-cargo-bed as if you were driving a Peterbilt pulling a full load...


It's like you completely missed the post where I state: "You cannot avoid using engine breaking in 2019+ rams". You have an old 2005, at some point (definitely in my 2019), Ram tuned these trucks so that they agressively upshift (engine brake) the second you tap your brakes going down a hill. There is nothing you as a driver can do to prevent this, it's by design and can't be turned off. They have a sensor that detects the slope (going down/up hill), and when you hit the brakes the trucks says: "oh, you're going down a hill and want to stop? Let me help you with that" and then drops a gear and attempts to keep the revs up the entire way down. Even more so with tow haul engaged.

The discussion is basically: would Ram seriously add a feature that wrecks the transmission? My guess is, "No". Therefore, since the truck was designed to engine brake, and you have no choice in the matter; Yes, use your engine brake.
 

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With the 8HP line of transmissions (and just about every electronically shifted transmission) you get a warning on the dash to shift back to drive. The transmissions nowadays are smart, they won't even let you shift into a gear that too far out of rpm range.
Just like they shift you into "P" if you open the driver's door? (STUPIDEST thing RAM could have done to our trucks -- now you can't open the door at 80 MPH and drive a stake into the ground to see if you are moving (SARCASM!!!))
 

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I just sold a 2005 Cummins 3500 auto. Bought it new. I frequently towed my 10,000 pound 5th wheel. I would shift out of overdrive to slow down for corners or grades. Would go to 2nd only on really steep slopes at slow speeds. At 225,000 miles transmission was still working fine. I had it serviced regularly. I was always careful not to hit full power from stop or slow speed with a load, eased into it. Just bought a new one with engine brake. Much better
 

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Of course not..... just be careful when it’s slippery out. I always down shift going down a steep hill. My 2019 6.4 with the 8 speed will knock down a gear when I am slowing down for a stop all by itself. The diesels will automatically down shift when the engine brake is engaged. I ran my 07 for 89,000 miles before putting a set of brakes on it.
 

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So, I was driving my work truck today, which is a 2017 F250 6.2L. When tow and haul is on, I can tap my gas pedal to down shift to a lower gear. If tow and haul is off, and I tap my gas pedal. The RPMs just slightly jump from tapping my gas pedal. But nothing happening. No down shift or anything. I tried this with my 2006 5.7 1500. Because I absolutely love that my work truck does this. Modern/undated/transmission, I know. My truck wouldn't do it. Haha just thought I would share that. An amazing feature on all the newer trucks. One day......one day.
 

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So don't drive your one ton car-witha-cargo-bed as if you were driving a Peterbilt pulling a full load...[/QUOTE]

Party Pooper! ;)
 

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I don't know the answer to this. All I have is experience. Everyone has a different sense or opinion regarding it.
For me; I used the manual gears on the automatic tranny daily for slowing on the highway and local roads regularly and habitually for eleven years and 201,000 miles without a single tranny issue before trading in for a newer model.
Is it ok to do this? I still don't know, but It never hurt my truck.
The new truck doesn't conveniently allow for it with button placement, so I no longer do it.
 

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For me; I used the manual gears on the automatic tranny daily for slowing on the highway and local roads regularly and habitually for eleven years and 201,000 miles without a single tranny issue ......


Cool!
 
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Engine braking is fine. It’s not “mishandling” your equipment. What is mishandling your equipment is trying to come down a grade with 10,000lbs behind you, and trying to control your speed with brakes alone. That is actually dangerous to you and everyone around you and anyone that tries to crucify you for engine braking has never towed heavy in their whole life. Once your brake fluid starts boiling and those rubber lines start to get soft, you’re done. I’ve had it happen. That’s how you kill people.

There’s a reason newer trucks are programmed from the factory to engine brake for you. Even with no load, it’s still beneficial. **** my 2001 accord had a tilt sensor that would downshift to help you slow down. It’s been around forever.
 
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