Used to love my Ram...now...I dunno..

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Two weeks ago, leaving the parking lot after work in my 2015 Ram 1500, 5.7, 30k miles and the steering "******" to the left. I didn't think much about it, maybe my hand slipped on the wheel or something like that. Drive the rest of the straight road home, turning onto street, I turned the wheel about 1/8 turn and it felt like the front tires went full lock left. I corrected instinctively and it was about 2x as hard to steer back to the right as it should have been, then all of a sudden, got super easy to steer...as in the steering wheel kind of freewheeled to the right, which forced me to over correct again. At this point, while swerving around the street, I slowed way down and got back into my lane. I then nursed the truck about 10 mph the rest of the way home. Turning left into the driveway and then starting to countersteer back to the right, the wheel just "let go" again. I was only doing 1-2mph so it wasn't dramatic...but...regardless.

I called the local dealer and told them my issue. They said they're too busy right now but they can schedule me in for next Friday (July 31st). It is what it is (I've had all my service done here, but never needed a repair for anything). So, I drive my toy Jeep TJ for the week, nurse the Ram over to the shop on Thursday evening and call them in the morning. The service desk told me that the tech who was assigned the truck said "thats crazy and dangerous" while he was trying to pull it into the shop. I asked them to keep me informed what is going on. End of the day Friday, I call them and ask whats up, they said it needs a new steering rack. I question why a complete steering rack would "go out" on a 5 year old truck with 30k miles on it. They said "these things happen" and that they would get the parts ordered for me. I also had them service the truck as it was due anyway...including the service and the steering rack, we're looking at $2400 plus tax. I came a bit uncorked (the whole reason I buy new vehicles is so that I generally don't have to deal with things like this). I asked lots of questions including why something like this would happen, if it would be covered under powertrain warranty, etc. The answers all came back as per their Standard Operating Procedure...in other words, sucks to be you. I begrudgingly agree to the repair and then proceed to contact Ram Customer Care online and explain the issue. They were very polite, but ultimately the same answer was sucks to be you.

Fast forward to August 4th. I haven't heard anything from the dealer so I call and ask when I can get the truck back. The response is, and I quote: "Oh good mister Miller, we were about to call you. We ordered the aftermarket steering rack last week, but we didn't get it this week, so we called the supplier. They said they never received the order but that it didn't matter anyway since they didn't have the steering rack. So, we are going to have to put on the OEM rack which will cost $1825 instead of the $1625 for the aftermarket." WTH?! First, when did dealers ever replace anything with other than OEM parts? Again, keep in mind, I haven't had to have anything fixed with my new (or newer) car purchases, including 3 Dodge/Chrysler products over the last 10 years). Second, why did it take them 3 days to figure out the part didn't come in? Plus, now my $2400 is pushing up to $2800 in repairs...on, a part of the truck that SHOULDN'T FAIL CATASTROPHICALLY! Admittedly, I lose my cool a little bit, however I don't feel that I'm being rude, just expressing how unhappy I am with this whole thing. Again, I tell them to get it fixed. They call back about 10 minutes later and inform me that the "Chrysler rep" was at the dealer and that they "told him my story" and he agreed that they would comp the cost difference between the aftermarket steering rack and the OEM steering rack so that my total bill would be exactly what it was before the misorder.

My last appeal was for RAM to cover the part and I'd cover the labor as I didn't feel that with as much as I've supported this dealer, bought new RAM and Chrysler vehicles, owned multiple Jeep products over the years and generally considered myself a loyal brand customer, that picking up the cost of the part, I would continue to support RAM and my local dealer. I know, I really don't have an leverage at all....and, they would MUCH rather take $8k off the sticker price in a factory rebate, finance me at 0% for 60 months and waive my first 3 months on a new RAM or Gladiator instead of making right on a $1825 part.

So...$2623 later, now I have trust issues with my truck...trust issues with the brand.....and trust issues with my dealer.

Thanks for listening. I needed to vent.

Pieter
 

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Mass produced garbage by a mass production company. They're all the same. Engineered to just barely work long enough to get past the warranty limits . I have a 2014 with electric steering, can't wait for mine to have an epileptic fit while going 75 on the thruway.....

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Two weeks ago, leaving the parking lot after work in my 2015 Ram 1500, 5.7, 30k miles and the steering "******" to the left. I didn't think much about it, maybe my hand slipped on the wheel or something like that. Drive the rest of the straight road home, turning onto street, I turned the wheel about 1/8 turn and it felt like the front tires went full lock left. I corrected instinctively and it was about 2x as hard to steer back to the right as it should have been, then all of a sudden, got super easy to steer...as in the steering wheel kind of freewheeled to the right, which forced me to over correct again. At this point, while swerving around the street, I slowed way down and got back into my lane. I then nursed the truck about 10 mph the rest of the way home. Turning left into the driveway and then starting to countersteer back to the right, the wheel just "let go" again. I was only doing 1-2mph so it wasn't dramatic...but...regardless.

I called the local dealer and told them my issue. They said they're too busy right now but they can schedule me in for next Friday (July 31st). It is what it is (I've had all my service done here, but never needed a repair for anything). So, I drive my toy Jeep TJ for the week, nurse the Ram over to the shop on Thursday evening and call them in the morning. The service desk told me that the tech who was assigned the truck said "thats crazy and dangerous" while he was trying to pull it into the shop. I asked them to keep me informed what is going on. End of the day Friday, I call them and ask whats up, they said it needs a new steering rack. I question why a complete steering rack would "go out" on a 5 year old truck with 30k miles on it. They said "these things happen" and that they would get the parts ordered for me. I also had them service the truck as it was due anyway...including the service and the steering rack, we're looking at $2400 plus tax. I came a bit uncorked (the whole reason I buy new vehicles is so that I generally don't have to deal with things like this). I asked lots of questions including why something like this would happen, if it would be covered under powertrain warranty, etc. The answers all came back as per their Standard Operating Procedure...in other words, sucks to be you. I begrudgingly agree to the repair and then proceed to contact Ram Customer Care online and explain the issue. They were very polite, but ultimately the same answer was sucks to be you.

Fast forward to August 4th. I haven't heard anything from the dealer so I call and ask when I can get the truck back. The response is, and I quote: "Oh good mister Miller, we were about to call you. We ordered the aftermarket steering rack last week, but we didn't get it this week, so we called the supplier. They said they never received the order but that it didn't matter anyway since they didn't have the steering rack. So, we are going to have to put on the OEM rack which will cost $1825 instead of the $1625 for the aftermarket." WTH?! First, when did dealers ever replace anything with other than OEM parts? Again, keep in mind, I haven't had to have anything fixed with my new (or newer) car purchases, including 3 Dodge/Chrysler products over the last 10 years). Second, why did it take them 3 days to figure out the part didn't come in? Plus, now my $2400 is pushing up to $2800 in repairs...on, a part of the truck that SHOULDN'T FAIL CATASTROPHICALLY! Admittedly, I lose my cool a little bit, however I don't feel that I'm being rude, just expressing how unhappy I am with this whole thing. Again, I tell them to get it fixed. They call back about 10 minutes later and inform me that the "Chrysler rep" was at the dealer and that they "told him my story" and he agreed that they would comp the cost difference between the aftermarket steering rack and the OEM steering rack so that my total bill would be exactly what it was before the misorder.

My last appeal was for RAM to cover the part and I'd cover the labor as I didn't feel that with as much as I've supported this dealer, bought new RAM and Chrysler vehicles, owned multiple Jeep products over the years and generally considered myself a loyal brand customer, that picking up the cost of the part, I would continue to support RAM and my local dealer. I know, I really don't have an leverage at all....and, they would MUCH rather take $8k off the sticker price in a factory rebate, finance me at 0% for 60 months and waive my first 3 months on a new RAM or Gladiator instead of making right on a $1825 part.

So...$2623 later, now I have trust issues with my truck...trust issues with the brand.....and trust issues with my dealer.

Thanks for listening. I needed to vent.

Pieter

The horror story you described about how the steering went ******* makes me wonder why you didn't have it towed to obtain the repairs. Also, Did you get any quotes from a good private garage?

I would be extremely disappointed in the dealer that they would consider an aftermarket part, and how dare them do that without your express consent. NONE of my GM or FORD dealers where I worked would have done that due to liability issues. My trust would have totally evaporated. That said, you SHOULD seek a shop you can trust.

If you have had such good luck in the bigger picture for many years and so many vehicles in the FCA family, don't let one bad event define your future brand buying plans.
 

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I'd scrap the idea of spending that much on the front end, at that point you can get a king pin solid axle and never have another issue. 3500 out the door...

It would be like having a 2500 front end on a 1500.
 
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Thanks for the replies....err, I think. :) So, I did crawl under and take a look. The part number is indeed an OEM part. Looking up the part, it's listed on most online sites at $1850, although most of them show it marked down into the $1200-$1300 range. The aftermarket parts are all sub $1000. So, the dealer made me pay retail for the OEM part, however the price they quoted me for the aftermarket (and I never even asked them if it was OEM, aftermarket, because they are a dealer....of COURSE it'd be OEM. Isn't that the MAIN reason you go to a dealer for anything with a new(ish) vehicle?) Anyway, to answer the why didn't I tow it somewhere. The main issue is cost. The nearest dealer I would even consider going to was 50 miles away (Wichita, KS). When I took it to the dealer, I made the rather harrowing trip after 9pm at night with the streets mostly empty. I wasn't about to risk my truck and more importantly, some innocent bystander trying to get the truck to the dealer. I certainly didn't want to take it any farther than I had too.

Answering the very labor intensive part....so, I'm not a mechanic however I do know a bit about turning wrenches at least on older stuff (I like restoring Jeeps). Most heavy lifting stuff I'll pay someone to do, but basic mechanical, I'm not afraid to dive in at least with the older stuff. While under the truck a few minutes ago, I counted 4 bolts total including the tie-rods. There is a simple electrical connector to the motor and of course the steering shaft, which has a small u-joint with two snap ring looking things. I can see all the marks used for the alignment and making sure the wheel is straight. I also understand you have to do something with the trucks ECM and get the steering sensors aligned. There is most certainly more to it than that, but with the truck up in the air, it looks like something that a normal half-way mechanically inclined person could do. Pretty easy to get to everything, minus an alignment and computer reprogram.

I'm not that upset about the labor. The kid that did the work has that job (I'd assume) because he is a competent mechanic, or even possibly went to school for it. At least that is what I want to think. I'm more upset at the dealer in general for the whole aftermarket/OEM part issue and that fact that I'v spent over $100k over the past 10 years with RAM and they wouldn't do whats right. Just disappointed in what we accept as normal now.
 

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If you don't trust it, trade it in. you should get a good trade being 5 years old with only 30,000 miles. Then get the extended Ram warranty on the new one.
 

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Aftermarket parts are often used at a dealership. If you have a collision and take your truck to a Ram shop they will often use aftermarket parts. Which is strange since they require leased vehicles to use Mopar OEM parts in repairs. Also of note, FCA does not make every part that goes on a vehicle, so it is possible that the aftermarket manufacturer that supplies the replacement part is the OEM company as well.
 

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Don, that sucks.



I don't know anything about the steering mechanism of these trucks. But I do know a lot of aftermarket stuff is superior to OEM stuff. Moog greasable ball joints is one example.

If you trade that 5 year old truck in, with steering problems you're going to get screwed up one side and down the other. That would be very, very expensive.
 

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Don’t lose faith. 2014 ram 1500 I bought new. Almost 90k miles. Daily driver. Not a single damn problem to date. And I have 35” MT tires on. Nothing. No issues. Suck you are having a ****** experience. For that, I say sorry and god speed.


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If you don't trust it, trade it in. you should get a good trade being 5 years old with only 30,000 miles. Then get the extended Ram warranty on the new one.
Go get a different vehicle, why get another Ram. I know i wont.

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why get another Ram

Because there is not a brand of vehicle on earth that doesn't have it's own set of random problems.

OP, I personally, wouldn't waste a bunch of cash to buy a new set of problems. You know what you have and now it's fixed. A five year old truck with such low miles is a good thing. Although it probably holds a good bit of value towards something new, unless you have a money to burn, I'd stick with what you have. I'm guessing this was one of those rare problems and you just happened to be the lucky guy that got it. Good luck with whatever you choose.
 
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I'm guessing this was one of those rare problems and you just happened to be the lucky guy that got it. Good luck with whatever you choose.

I hope you're right. I read forums (generally only complainers use forums I've found. I'm an example of that in this case I guess). I hear about cracking exhaust manifolds around 60-70k, weird computer/sensor glitch things, transmission failures around the same mileage, etc. I get it, there is nothing that says the same thing wouldn't happen with another brand of vehicle and owning a modern vehicle isn't a "break-even" type of ownership. No matter the brand, model or type of vehicle you need to plan on it being a cost to own. What we're trying to do is reduce the cost as much as possible and unfortunately, that is not exactly the auto industries goal, nor should it be. It just feels like our American throw-away society we've built for ourselves includes our vehicles now. It probably has for quite awhile and I've just never noticed it as I haven't had a major vehicle problem in 20+ years.

I'm considering starting my mid-life crisis in the next year or two anyway...so who knows, I might go buy something stupid regardless of what I do with my Ram. :)
 

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I hope you're right. I read forums (generally only complainers use forums I've found. I'm an example of that in this case I guess). I hear about cracking exhaust manifolds around 60-70k, weird computer/sensor glitch things, transmission failures around the same mileage, etc. I get it, there is nothing that says the same thing wouldn't happen with another brand of vehicle and owning a modern vehicle isn't a "break-even" type of ownership. No matter the brand, model or type of vehicle you need to plan on it being a cost to own. What we're trying to do is reduce the cost as much as possible and unfortunately, that is not exactly the auto industries goal, nor should it be. It just feels like our American throw-away society we've built for ourselves includes our vehicles now. It probably has for quite awhile and I've just never noticed it as I haven't had a major vehicle problem in 20+ years.

I'm considering starting my mid-life crisis in the next year or two anyway...so who knows, I might go buy something stupid regardless of what I do with my Ram. :)

I'm old enough to remember when post-1970 vehicles hit the market and people I knew bought them. A lot of old coot would exclaim that 1970 was the last year of decent American cars! Asian cars were barely better than tinfoil! One of the stupidest things anyone EVER put into a car was the seatbelt starter lockout.... where one HAD to buckle the seatbelt in order for the car to start! This came about in the very early 70's. How pissed would you be if you had to buckle up just to pull the car into the garage for the night! Most folks buckled the seatbelts and sat on them!

That's just one of many dozens of flaws in the entire picture.... but did you ever notice how, in Cuba, those folks are still tooling around in 1950's cars? Those cars were accidentally made to last for 50+ years! New stuff has so much plastic that will rot with age.
 

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I'm considering starting my mid-life crisis in the next year or two anyway...so who knows, I might go buy something stupid regardless of what I do with my Ram. :)

I recommend a 6spd Hemi Challenger with a sunroof :cool:
 

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but did you ever notice how, in Cuba, those folks are still tooling around in 1950's cars? Those cars were accidentally made to last for 50+ years! New stuff has so much plastic that will rot with age.

If you keep fixing something, it'll last forever. It's not like those 1950's cars rolling around in Cuba haven't been repeatedly rebuilt and cobbled together with parts never meant for them. If I put a new ax handle in the head every time the handle cracks and put a new head on the handle every time the head is worn, my ax will last forever...

Nosalgia aside, today's cars are light years ahead in terms of longevity and durability.
 

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If you keep fixing something, it'll last forever. It's not like those 1950's cars rolling around in Cuba haven't been repeatedly rebuilt and cobbled together with parts never meant for them. If I put a new ax handle in the head every time the handle cracks and put a new head on the handle every time the head is worn, my ax will last forever...

Nosalgia aside, today's cars are light years ahead in terms of longevity and durability.
I dunno....my grandfather was the original owner of a 1950 mercury, 256 flathead, 3 on the tree with overdrive. When he died 10 years ago I drove the car 30 miles to my house. 275,000 miles and some change on it with just routine maintenance.
If something is made well and it's taken care of, it will last. Just sayin'

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One of my local dealerships tried to find a USED steering rack for one of my vehicles - as per the service rep- this was under a 7-year warranty.! They couldn't find one in a week and had to finally order a new one. I was amazed that they thought a used part would good enough.
 

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If you keep fixing something, it'll last forever. It's not like those 1950's cars rolling around in Cuba haven't been repeatedly rebuilt and cobbled together with parts never meant for them. If I put a new ax handle in the head every time the handle cracks and put a new head on the handle every time the head is worn, my ax will last forever...

Nosalgia aside, today's cars are light years ahead in terms of longevity and durability.

I wasn't waxing nostalgic. Go forward 50 years and see what becomes of these cars. El Cheapo plastic that rots and disintegrates leaves a very small amount of car behind. ****** electronics that they obsolete so you CAN'T keep the car after the manufacturer stops supporting the vehicles, ad nauseum. They were definitely crystal clear when they told us at the GM training facility back in the early 80's that they didn't WANT cars to last very long because they want to keep their jobs. Fast forward to these days; and I'd like to see how many of those guys kept their jobs after NAFTA caused their jobs to cross borders!

Either way. these modern cars are more about saving the general public from themselves in all the safety components that add 10's of thousands of dollars to each car. Why do you think these Luxo trucks push 90 grand in some instances these days?

Cuba has it's own problems.... but the working Joes here in the states like you and me can afford to keep a 1970 Impala running and we have the resources NOT to have to "cobble" the car together with scrap pieces.
 
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