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Every oil thread on here says Mobile 1 does not meet the FIAT MS-6395 Certification for use in the 5.7. I decided to look on the Mobil site. According to that site they do actually meet this spec, so at least for the 5.7 you have Mobil 1 as an option. I could not find one of their oils that says it meets the MS-12633 spec for the 6.4 Hemi.



Mobil 1™ 5W-20​


Advanced Full Synthetic Engine Oil​





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Keeps engines running like new​


Protects for up to 10,000 miles between oil changes*
Mobil 1 5W-20 advanced full synthetic motor oil is designed to deliver outstanding engine protection, keep your engine running like new and protect critical engine parts for up to 10,000 miles between oil changes. *
Nothing outperforms Mobil 1 in overall performance, a motor oil which comes as standard equipment in many different vehicle models, including select high-performance vehicles.
Provides outstanding overall engine protection
Mobil 1 5W-20 motor oil is made with a proprietary blend of high-performance synthetic base stocks fortified with a precisely balanced additive component system, and meets or exceeds the industry's toughest standards
Mobil 1 5W-20 motor oil is recommended by ExxonMobil for use in all types of modern gasoline-powered vehicles (even those with high-performance, turbocharged, supercharged, multi-valve or fuel-injected engines), including:
  • Cars
  • Trucks
  • SUVs
  • Vans
Outperforms our conventional and synthetic blend oils
Mobil 1 5W-20 motor oil outperforms our conventional and synthetic blend oils. The advanced full synthetic formula can also help:
  • Extend engine life
  • Clean up engine sludge with active cleaning agents
  • Deliver quick cold-weather starts with outstanding low-temperature capabilities
We stand behind our products
Please read our Mobil 1 limited warranty. Always check your owner's manual for the manufacturer's recommended oil viscosity grade, API service classification and any builder approval. You can also refer to the Mobil 1™ Product Guide for a quick look at key manufacturer approvals and info on the zinc and phosphorus levels in Mobil 1 5W-20.
If your vehicle is covered by a warranty, follow the vehicle's oil life sensor or the oil change interval recommended in your owner's manual. Proper maintenance practices, including frequently checking the oil level to ensure that the appropriate amount of oil is present, are required to ensure effective performance.
*Protects for 10,000 miles or 1 year, whichever comes first. For more information, read our Mobil 1 limited warranty.
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Features and Benefits​

Mobil 1™ 5W-20 is made with a proprietary blend of high performance synthetic base stocks fortified with a precisely balanced additive component system. Mobil 1 5W-20 is designed to provide outstanding overall engine protection to keep your engine running like new, while meeting or exceeding the latest industry performance standards.
Key features and potential benefits include:


FeaturesAdvantages and Potential Benefits
Advanced full synthetic formulaKeeps your engine running like new
Outstanding thermal and oxidation stabilityProtects for up to 10,000 miles between oil changes*
Outstanding low temperature capabilitiesQuick cold weather starting and fast protection helps to extend engine life
Active cleaning agentsDesigned to clean up sludge left behind in your engine
Precisely balanced additive component systemUnsurpassed wear protection

Applications​

Mobil 1™ 5W-20 is recommended by ExxonMobil for all types of modern gasoline-powered vehicles, including high-performance turbocharged, supercharged, multi-valve fuel injected engines found in passenger cars, SUVs, light vans and light trucks.

• Mobil 1 5W-20 is a high-performance motor oil for all types of cars where this viscosity is recommended.
• Mobil 1 5W-20 is not recommended for 2-Cycle or aviation engines, unless specifically approved by the manufacturer.

Always check your owner's manual for the manufacturer's recommended oil viscosity grade, API service classification and any builder approval.

Specifications and Approvals​


This product has the following approvals:
GM dexos1:GEN2 Licensed


This product is recommended for use in applications requiring:
API CF
Ford WSS-M2C945-A
GM 6094M
Ford WSS-M2C930-A
Ford WSS-M2C945-B1
Fiat Chrysler Automotive MS-6395


This product meets or exceeds the requirements of:
API SJ
API SL
API SM
API SN
ILSAC GF-6A
API SN PLUS
API SN PLUS RESOURCE CONSERVING
API SN Resource Conserving
API SP
API SP Resource Conserving
FORD WSS-M2C960-A1

Properties and Specifications​


Property
GradeSAE 5W-20
Flash Point, Cleveland Open Cup, °C, ASTM D92234
Kinematic Viscosity @ 100 C, mm2/s, ASTM D4458.6
Density @ 15.6 C, g/cm3, ASTM D40520.84
Kinematic Viscosity @ 40 C, mm2/s, ASTM D44549
Pour Point, °C, ASTM D97-51
 
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Chrysler/Mopar for at least the last 30 years
Has had a system that is still used today

To be a motor oil Certified by Chrysler/Mopar
They had to have a test area with X amount of engines & a series of tests that have to be preformed
The oil company also has to pay for Chryslers Engineers to take part in the testing. That is a multi month testing period

So it costs a fortune for any oil company to be Certified by Chrysler/Mopar
Say, for instance, 3 companies are vying for that Certification.
Only one company can Win the Bid.

For many years, Mobile One was the Certified brand, i don't know just when the were the bid winners, it was back in the Generation 3 Dodge Ram time period.
Mobile One was also the Certified Oil supplier in 2009 & 2010

Valvoline won the bid in 2011 & possibly 2012

Mobile One withdrew from even trying to Certify with Chrysler/Mopar
mostly because they did the math

Special Lab & paying for Chryslers Engineers to stand over Mobil's own engineers
when compared to Mobil's Market Share.
Mobil realized they could just sell oil without competing for Chrysler Certification with other oil companies & save money

Since Valvoline lost or withdrew from the Certification process
Shell Oil has been the Certified Oil for Chrysler/Mopar

Nothing really is saying that Mobile One or many other oil companies can't meet Chrysler/Mopar Standards.
Those Oil companies just are not willing to go through the stringent testing & cost that Chrysler/Mopar certification demands
 
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Chrysler/Mopar for at least the last 30 years
Has had a system that is still used today

To be a motor oil Certified by Chrysler/Mopar
They had to have a test area with X amount of engines & a series of tests that have to be preformed
The oil company also has to pay for Chryslers Engineers to take part in the testing. That is a multi month testing period

So it costs a fortune for any oil company to be Certified by Chrysler/Mopar
Say, for instance, 3 companies are vying for that Certification.
Only one company can Win the Bid.

For many years, Mobile One was the Certified brand, i don't know just when the were the bid winners, it was back in the Generation 3 Dodge Ram time period.
Mobile One was also the Certified Oil supplier in 2009 & 2010

Valvoline won the bid in 2011 & possibly 2012

Mobile One withdrew from even trying to Certify with Chrysler/Mopar
mostly because they did the math

Special Lab & paying for Chryslers Engineers to stand over Mobil's own engineers
when compared to Mobil's Market Share.
Mobil realized they could just sell oil without competing for Chrysler Certification with other oil companies & save money

Since Valvoline lost or withdrew from the Certification process
Shell Oil has been the Certified Oil for Chrysler/Mopar

Nothing really is saying that Mobile One or many other oil companies can't meet Chrysler/Mopar Standards.
Those Oil companies just are not willing to go through the stringent testing & cost that Chrysler/Mopar certification demands
Well, actually, Penzoil is the current certified alternative to Mopar oil, along with Shell, so that part of the above is not quite right. Second, are you saying Mobil 1 claims to be meeting the Chrysler certification, they do not claim to have Chrysler "Approval" just recommended for use in that spec of vehicle, but really don't?
 

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Shell Oil Company

Who owns Pennzoil? The Pennzoil-Quaker State Company is a subsidiary of Shell Oil Company.
All lubricants currently sold under the Mopar label is produced by Shell

I never said that Mobil One was currently Certified
I said that they could pass certification IF they cared to go through Mopars testing
Which they won't
Mobil sells plenty of oil without being on Dodge's shelves

This is not the actual current lubricants contract, but it refers to it

 

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You must have looked at old threads when m1 didn't have fca spec, we have updated this info over a year ago in multiple threads. Mobil oil always had the spec, m1 dropped it coming out of bankruptcy because fca owed them a ton of money that was dispatched through the bankruptcy in 2009. Would you allow someone to order more oil after they defaulted on ten of millions of dollars? M1 didnt have fca specs for a decade, but recently forgiveness must have won out to regain that market share. For sure an oil like m1 could care less about paying for a spec, in fact that is a good thing to them, because lesser brands cant pay it. So anyone having these specs is pretty close to monopolizing the market. OP maybe you should do more research before putting out sour pronouncements, just say'n.
 

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Chrysler/Mopar for at least the last 30 years
Has had a system that is still used today

To be a motor oil Certified by Chrysler/Mopar
They had to have a test area with X amount of engines & a series of tests that have to be preformed
The oil company also has to pay for Chryslers Engineers to take part in the testing. That is a multi month testing period

So it costs a fortune for any oil company to be Certified by Chrysler/Mopar
Say, for instance, 3 companies are vying for that Certification.
Only one company can Win the Bid.

For many years, Mobile One was the Certified brand, i don't know just when the were the bid winners, it was back in the Generation 3 Dodge Ram time period.
Mobile One was also the Certified Oil supplier in 2009 & 2010

Valvoline won the bid in 2011 & possibly 2012

Mobile One withdrew from even trying to Certify with Chrysler/Mopar
mostly because they did the math

Special Lab & paying for Chryslers Engineers to stand over Mobil's own engineers
when compared to Mobil's Market Share.
Mobil realized they could just sell oil without competing for Chrysler Certification with other oil companies & save money

Since Valvoline lost or withdrew from the Certification process
Shell Oil has been the Certified Oil for Chrysler/Mopar

Nothing really is saying that Mobile One or many other oil companies can't meet Chrysler/Mopar Standards.
Those Oil companies just are not willing to go through the stringent testing & cost that Chrysler/Mopar certification demands
Did not know this, thanks for the info. How interesting, knew there was a certification process just did not know exactly what that meant. Just shows you at least one company truly wishes to make sure you understand what their certification actually means. cheers
 

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I use Mobil 1 Full Synthetic Extended Performance oil along with the Extended Performance Mobil 1 oil filter and have had no problems in all 3 RAM's I've owned ... If I need an alternative, I'll use Castrol Extended performance ..
 

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When the oil specifications dramatically changed for the 2017 engines all the major oil products were tested by the engine manufacturers and the oil companies. By the way, for those running 2017 and newer trucks that require the use of the new motor oils that meet the API SP and API SN and SN Plus (cans have a Starburst symbol), the lab motor oil sample tests are worthless.

These new motor oils are much more effective at low viscosity and need to be with their 5W and 0W ratings. The oils have to meet much more stringent testing that is based on actual hours of engine operation where the engines are torn down and the parts are examined and the wear is measured.

The new test requirements cover kinematic viscosity increase at 40 degrees Celsius, piston deposits, average cam plus lifter wear, cam wear, engine sludge, rocker cover sludge, engine varnish, oil screen sludge, hot stuck rings, cold stuck rings, oil ring clogging, bearing weight loss, aged oil low temp viscosity, phosphorous retention, high temp high shear viscosity (this is critical with multi-grade motor oils to avoid polymer shearing), evaporation loss at 250 degrees Celsius, percent flow reduction with various level of water in the oil, foaming tendency and stability, high temperature foaming tendency and stability, homogeneity and miscibility, high temperature deposits, emulsion retention, and elastomer compatibility. None of this information can be provided by consumer oil analysis lab.

If a oil meets these specifications then it will do the job. For my 2018 SUV I use Mobile 1 simply because it is easy to find. Amsoil is not fit for my diesel truck with its poor additive mix and not reason to pay more for less. For the diesel truck I use Valvoline Premium Blue which also happens to be what Cummins uses. The Valvoline has one of the best additive mixes for diesel engine use and it is reasonably priced and it is also available at the local Ram dealer.
 

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I have always used Mobil 1 in many different vehicles over the years. It is tried and trued with out sacrificing any lubrication qualities. With modern engines demanding so much, with temperatures, RPM's and accessories off the engine, any oil that can withstand the punishment and demand needs to be recognized. Even before synthetics became so popular, Mobil oils have always been very good. Between my Harley, truck or the car...I am glad i can depend on an oil with so much testing resulting in a product that has given me no grief. I didnt need the okay from a manufacturer to say if they certify it or like it, testimonies from non bias groups and individuals with experience in lubrication speak for them selves.
 
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The fact m1 didnt have the hemi spec for a decade surely doesn't mean it wasnt good enough to use in a ram. Even now that they chose to certify it means nothing to the formula. It is the same oil before they spec'd it as the oil after they spec'd it. Their lesser quality mobil oil was good enough to meet the spec and they paid for that spec the last decade. M1 was just trying to punish fca buy not spec'n their flagship oil and highest quality oil because of the situation.

Clearly m1 meets the hemi spec, as would most oils that wanted to spec it. I'm not sure if there is a more uniformed trusted formula then mobil one oils. When their formula changes it is not because of some "supply" shortage or some decision to save money on moly, as we have seen with valvoline and other oils, it is because of some industry standard that changes. And m1 is always way out front of changing to industry standards. They had sn+ friendly formula 6 years ahead of most brands. Pennzoil was one of the last to change for that, many many years after m1 did. Look at uoa's, look at CA levels, m1 is ahead of everyone.

The only consideration for rams is does any otc oil meet the demands of ram trucks, because all of the specs for retention are temporary additives and they do not lubricate as well base base oils or heavy ep/aw additives. M1 does have oils that have pao base oils, see msds safety sheets. So they do it right, where some companies would rather use cheaper temporary additives such as vii's or pour point depressants in those situations, m1 standards are higher. But, m1 and all otc api oils are hamstrung by api standards, as in they all have low additives compared to high performance oils.

fca chnaged their eco diesel oil because of this reason, these oils could not protect the bearings, so they changed the viscosity to a higher one to give more protection. Ford also spit on newer oil specs for the same reason when they changed to the new hd ois. The problem is the 1500's are not HD trucks, so the api demands compliance, they demand these trucks have low viscosity oils and low additive oils, so even though we know of the massive cam and lifter issues, fca can literally not change their recommendation for oil because they would face CAFE compliance issues costing them millions, or even bankrupting them. I know eco diesel is also 1500, but fca did not lie to the masses saying 5w20 was mandatory for functioning of mds, so they could change that.

But that only pertains to what they "recommend". once you buy a truck you own it, and as it turns out there are high performance oils that are designed to protect metal instead of resource conserving goals of this government. The choice is yours, even if you opt to still run otc oils, you still cane opt for more protection, heavier viscosity or adding additives such as lubegard biotech which is simply more additives that are already in the oil, just higher quantity.

Something to consider, run m1 esp 0w30 look at msds and note pao base oils and add lubegard biotech if you so chose. This would be levels of protection higher then just picking 5w20 m1 off the shelf. Same brand, two vastly different strategies, perhaps a better chnace at avoiding a cam/lifter fail.
 

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April this year I had sent a request to Mobile One and they replied back with in a week that they do support MS-6395 for extended performance 5w-20 and 5w-30. Also stated that they were continuing testing. I emailed this address [email protected]
in order to get this reply. This is the partial chart that they sent me also. I have been running this for more that 2 years now. NO problems at all with my 5.7.

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I have used mobil 1 in a lot of stuff over the years and had no problems. I dont go for the trendy over priced stuff. I use it in my truck. 2 harleys and my wife's infiniti. does what it is supposed to.
 

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Amsoil has continually rallied against dealerships and manufacturers from illegally claiming if not using only specific manufacturers fluids will void vehicle warranties.
 
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