IS IT TIME 5.7 TO GET DROPPED ???

farout75 said:

On a YouTube channel I heard the the Hemi V-8 would be gone in 2024. Under pressure from the EPA RAM trucks are going to get more electrified and less gas. Gosh that's sure going to be a great improvement.......NOT. My Ram 1500 gets 20 mpg about 20% of the time and 18mpg the rest.

Maybe we should go get a FORD Eco -Boost. NO WAY, I HATE turbo engines. Beat the tar out of a small engine that costs huge money to repair.

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The hemis are some of the most expensive engines to fix…
Plenty of eco boosts with 200,000miles+ on them….
Used about half as much fuel in those miles then the hemi would have used.
Beat every ram in a drag race up the hill with a trailer on too.

Tim7139 said:

What's the range on a 90F day? Depends on the vehicle. Many offer pre-heating, which greatly reduces range impact on shorter trips (ironically where most don't have range anxiety)

If you head over to youtube and type the name of any EV available over a winter season and you'll get pages and pages of results with people all too happy to share winter experiences.

This 8 minute SaskTesla video has him leaving a model 3 (similar range to a Lightning) unplugged at 0F to see the impact on mileage and what not, looks like it's estimating 120miles when he sets off after warming it up (about 30% loss).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ei4qiSrPAoI

This 23 minute Engineering Explained video has almost a million views on the subject with his Tesla 3 (similar range to a Lightning) at 0F I recall he saw a 18% reduction.

How Miserable Is A Winter Tesla Road Trip? -18°C & Broken Superchargers

Can a Tesla Model 3 handle driving well below freezing for a road trip? How do cold temperatures affect electric car range? Comparison of summer versus winte...

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Loss of 41% range minimum, and more around here. Unacceptable.

Dusty said:

Correction: ZF 8HP95, not 8HP90.

Transmission torque ratings attachment

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Nice chart, The article I read was obviously incorrect
Never would have guess that the 66RFE and 68RFE were that strong - just a few gears shy of what's needed.

Tim7139 said:

Cities and suburbs are where most American's live, so that would be a big help if it worked out. Even in less populated areas you tend to get clumps of people and areas they travel that are relatively small.

That being said, rural may be less of an issue than many think. I have family in the boonies with EVs. They mostly charge at home, and rarely go far enough to need to find a charger.

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For me the big negative is distance. Just don't have the time to sit and charge when driving 1500-1800 miles one way. Especially if I am towing.
I certainly would not be opposed to a hybrid, but still the motor has to have enough power when the battery is low.
Unless I just quit towing the boat to Florida for vacation.

Sammy said:

The hemis are some of the most expensive engines to fix…
Plenty of eco boosts with 200,000miles+ on them….
Used about half as much fuel in those miles then the hemi would have used.
Beat every ram in a drag race up the hill with a trailer on too.

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Hemi shouldn't be anymore to rebuild than any other motor, it isn't an exotic engine by any stretch. People are charging for a complete rebuild when a lifter goes because that way they can put a longer warranty on it.

There isn't any F150 motor that gets double the mpg (other than a diesel) of the hemi. When towing using the ecoboost motors, they certainly aren't getting good mpg either and certainly not twice the mpg of the V8's - can't cheat physics.

HEMIMANN said:

Loss of 41% range minimum, and more around here. Unacceptable.

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Ultimately without a needed range or available range a percentage loss is a meaningless number to me.

I appreciate you seeking data to support your view, but exaggerating 12% to 41% average between 5 different vehicles as "41% minimum more around here" seems disingenuous. Neither the original AAA study, nor the blog with cold weather tips you linked to try to make such a claim.

It was an odd study. That BMW i3 sure dragged down the averages (page 51). It has minimal rage to start with, but it's comfortable for such a tiny thing. The one I drove had the range extender gas engine, but between the two you could barely go 160 miles on a good day. Only holds a gallon and a half of gas to get around a California tax loop hole unless you hack it. Lots of range loss with age. https://www.aaa.com/AAA/common/AAR/files/AAA-Electric-Vehicle-Range-Testing-Report.pdf page

pacofortacos said:

For me the big negative is distance. Just don't have the time to sit and charge when driving 1500-1800 miles one way. Especially if I am towing.
I certainly would not be opposed to a hybrid, but still the motor has to have enough power when the battery is low.
Unless I just quit towing the boat to Florida for vacation.

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For most of my personal towing I could hang out at a Canadian Tire, Fred Meyer, or a restaurant for 40 minutes every 3 or 4 hours without hardship, but I'd rather not. (charging to 80% of 300 mile range, and expecting 20% towing loss)

I had no issues towing a 9,000lbs trailer through the Rockies with a Ford F-150 Hybrid, and since the passing lane up the Rogers Pass gains 9 times the elevation of the highest Florida mountain I can't imaging you struggling too much in Florida.

I guess the point is that chemical reactions slow with temperature, right? That's no big secret. How much and how little is what this is about - they are trying to limit the loss of reactivity with lowered temp. Until they get further along, 100% EV isn't gonna work for large swaths of many northern regions.

I am just not sure the other brands are seeing the better mileage and power that some are claiming here. It doesn't seem like the Silverado/Sierra 5.3 in a similar trim truck is any better. Their 4.3 v6 is a good engine but its behind the RAM V6 for sure in mileage. Their 2.7 liter turbo 4 banger doesn't seem to get any better mileage than the 5.3 on the highway although it is a bit better in town. As far as I know Toyota and Nissan are not any better either. This does leave Ford which is the one manufacturer that does do better with mileage but they have an aluminum body with a 700 lb weight advantage. I am not sure the 5 liter gets better mileage than the hemi, at least the version sold up through 2016 and maybe later, and its got less HP. The current 3.5 ecoboost is slightly better but how much is due to the 700 lb weight drop of the aluminum body? It does have a bit more power than the hemi but its the only one that has a clear power advantage. Until you get into the 6+ liter engines. Now the 2.7 ecoboost in the aluminum body is the clear standout in mileage both city and highway and still has good power and towing capacity. Ram does need a competitive engine to this but they may need an aluminum body to match the mileage/power of the F150. I am also not sure the hemi is an expensive to fix engine compared to the rest.

Tim7139 said:

For most of my personal towing I could hang out at a Canadian Tire, Fred Meyer, or a restaurant for 40 minutes every 3 or 4 hours without hardship, but I'd rather not. (charging to 80% of 300 mile range, and expecting 20% towing loss)

I had no issues towing a 9,000lbs trailer through the Rockies with a Ford F-150 Hybrid, and since the passing lane up the Rogers Pass gains 9 times the elevation of the highest Florida mountain I can't imaging you struggling too much in Florida.

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It's getting to Florida that I would need the power, going over the Appalachians @ 70 mph does require a certain amount of power.
The F150 hybrid would do the job, but the waiting to charge would not be acceptable at all. Us working people only have so much time to go places

Sammy said:

The hemis are some of the most expensive engines to fix…
Plenty of eco boosts with 200,000miles+ on them….
Used about half as much fuel in those miles then the hemi would have used.
Beat every ram in a drag race up the hill with a trailer on too.

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Lol! This is some serious catfish bait.

pacofortacos said:

It's getting to Florida that I would need the power, going over the Appalachians @ 70 mph does require a certain amount of power.
The F150 hybrid would do the job, but the waiting to charge would not be acceptable at all. Us working people only have so much time to go places

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Less altitude gain and milder grades than my example route through the Rockies and Purcell ranges, but the Appalachians are a work out for sure.

You can't plug in the F-150 Hybrid to charge it's battery, power is generated from regenerative braking or the engine only. The electric is 44-hp/221-lb-ft, the 3.5-liter twin-turbo V-6 is 394-hp/492-lb-ft, and you can get 430-hp/570-lb-ft for short periods with both. Quick off the line and when passing with 6,000lbs attached, but I prefer the RAM's ride when empty.

A key reason I work is so I have money to shop and dine-in at my leisure.

It's a shame it isn't a plug in, seems like it would be a cheap add on feature. The 3.5 is a stout motor for sure.

I've been through a good bit of the Rockies, while the elevation of the Appalachians doesn't compare, there are several roads with some grades as steep as 9% (4 lane highways). I try to avoid those when towing .

For us it's a time issue, we usually only get a week at a time. So to leave on a Friday afternoon from Pittsburgh and arrive in the Florida Keys on Saturday afternoon/evening means very short stop times.

Well, here ya go...........


Since we are primarily visual creatures, to me this thing is inherently ugly. Looks like a Go Bot (remember those?). But I'm not the primary target demographic anymore.

Haven't read all the posts but IMO absolutely no V6 or superchargers in trucks. My family has had no issues with the Hemis. I counted before and think between me, my step-father, son and step-son we have had about 15 Rams (3 were 2500-1 was Cummins) and have racked up well over 500,000 miles total and none have ever had any type of engine issue. Granted none have made it to 100,000 miles before we traded them but most hit over 50,000 and a few over 70,000. My son's 2018 6.4 had 95,000 on it when he traded it. Maybe they could do something about the lifter issue but aside from that I see no reason to get rid of it or drastically alter it. And if they do drop it and go to a 6 cyl with turbos I'll be changing brands. I had a 2000 Cherokee with the 4.0 and loved that engine...for a smaller vehicle. For a truck forget it.

HEMIMANN said:

Well, here ya go...........

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Since we are primarily visual creatures, to me this thing is inherently ugly. Looks like a Go Bot (remember those?). But I'm not the primary target demographic anymore.

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Reminds me of the vehicle they drove in the movie Dumb and Dumber! LOL

I have a natural resistance to all-electric vehicles. And the Rivian hasn't changed my mind about that. There just aren't enough charging stations where I live. I'm just glad they at least tried to (mostly) make it look like a traditional pickup truck. But there is no getting around the cartoonish looks of the front end of that thing.

mikeru said:

I have a natural resistance to all-electric vehicles. And the Rivian hasn't changed my mind about that. There just aren't enough charging stations where I live. I'm just glad they at least tried to (mostly) make it look like a traditional pickup truck. But there is no getting around the cartoonish looks of the front end of that thing.

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That does look hideous. Wonder what the range would be when towing a 10,000lb trailer? 100 miles? Would take a long time to get to FL is I wanted to tow my boat down there. Like a whole week just to get there?

Sammy said:

The hemis are some of the most expensive engines to fix…
Plenty of eco boosts with 200,000miles+ on them….
Used about half as much fuel in those miles then the hemi would have used.
Beat every ram in a drag race up the hill with a trailer on too.

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Sammy not sure on the cost of fixing a Hemi but that doesn't make sense. Yeah there are eco boosts with 200k plus out there but I would bet money there's a lot more Hemi's than Eco's with 200K plus. Not true on the fuel. I put about 80K on a Ecoboost and yeah they get great mpg but so does the 5.7 Hemi. My daily driving average in the Eco (3.5L in a F-150 4x4) was around 19 mpg (mix of highway and city) and that of course doesn't include any towing. That's about what an equal Hemi 5.7 will get (equally geared). Eco's are fast no doubt but seriously??? Keep it real.

pacofortacos said:

It's a shame it isn't a plug in, seems like it would be a cheap add on feature. The 3.5 is a stout motor for sure.

I've been through a good bit of the Rockies, while the elevation of the Appalachians doesn't compare, there are several roads with some grades as steep as 9% (4 lane highways). I try to avoid those when towing .

For us it's a time issue, we usually only get a week at a time. So to leave on a Friday afternoon from Pittsburgh and arrive in the Florida Keys on Saturday afternoon/evening means very short stop times.

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Typically a plug-in hybrid is intended to travel a significant speed or distance on electric alone, that's not the goal of the F-150 so I'm unclear what the benefit would be.

Highway 1 through the Rockies in Canada tops out at 8%, with the grade sections being the only passing lane for extended stretches leading to a need for quick acceleration and high speed climbs. I find them much more taxing on the vehicle than the longer 8.5 grade up(or down) the Coquihalla pass which is multi lane with traffic flowing above 85Mph in the summer(A.K.A. on Highway thru Hell). While there are bigger grades on other highways in the Canadian Rockies they are shorter or lower speed.

I get the time thing, we try to do a few 3 day 880 mile round trips a year and a few longer 4-10 day trips. That being said I like to enjoy as I go when I can, take the long way now and then.