Hemi being discontinuted

67440dodge · Dec 22, 2021

Ram 1970 said:
Like I said in the other thread about this, the hybrid (and eventually full electric) is the future at this time. Without a doubt, Chrysler is maneuvering its marketing and future manufacturing to compete with the other brands. It would be suicidal, marketing-wise, if they stood on the sidewalk while all the other brands hopped on the bandwagon of electric vehicles.

I'm not fully convinced that electric vehicles (car/truck) are the way of the future, but that's the direction we are going. The charging infrastructure and battery design is still not completely ready.

The 6-cylinders are going to be the transition. I don't expect them to be around for very long IF the electric 'trend' starts rolling well.

The big problem I see EV in general is you can't plug any charger into any vehicle and charge up and drive away. Tesla only charges Tesla, Hyundai only charges Hyundai, VW only charges VW, etc etc.. Until they come with a standard I can pull into any station anywhere and charge up, I'm sticking with at least a gas/hybrid setup. I know there are companies developing setups with multiple charging cords at their locations, but what happens when you've got 10 people in line in front of you? Tesla may take X hrs to charge, Ford with extended battery takes XX hours and Rivian takes *** hours.

Ramble mode off, I'll shut up now

JerryETX · Dec 22, 2021

67440dodge said:
I heard a rumor from a Ram salesman that 2024 the Ram was going to go all electric. How true? I dunno..

I've heard this rumor too but don't believe it for a minute. Ford says all electric by late 2030's. A lot will have to change before I go all electric. Right now when I drive from my house to go bay fishing it's a 3.5 hour drive. If I was pulling the boat I would have to stop at least once and probably twice to charge up (currently at least an hour to charge up each time). Regardless of how many charging stations there are I just can't see folks accepting that.

turkeybird56 · Dec 22, 2021

JerryETX said:
I've heard this rumor too but don't believe it for a minute. Ford says all electric by late 2030's. A lot will have to change before I go all electric. Right now when I drive from my house to go bay fishing it's a 3.5 hour drive. If I was pulling the boat I would have to stop at least once and probably twice to charge up (currently at least an hour to charge up each time). Regardless of how many charging stations there are I just can't see folks accepting that.

YUP, not me. If I can drive 400 miles, and drive in and charge in 5-10 minutes, maybe. 1-4 Hours, oh Heck NO.

392DevilDog · Dec 22, 2021

2024 is when the electric Charger and RAM will debut...nit when RAM will go all electric.

mikeru · Dec 22, 2021

JerryETX said:
I've heard this rumor too but don't believe it for a minute. Ford says all electric by late 2030's. A lot will have to change before I go all electric. Right now when I drive from my house to go bay fishing it's a 3.5 hour drive. If I was pulling the boat I would have to stop at least once and probably twice to charge up (currently at least an hour to charge up each time). Regardless of how many charging stations there are I just can't see folks accepting that.

It's more than just a rumor. I read an article from last July written by Robert S. Miller which said that Ram will be building an all electric Ram 1500 in 2024. I would post a link to the article but it's on another "5th gen Ram" forum, and it's against the rules. But there should be enough information above for you to search for it if you would like to read the article.

392DevilDog · Dec 22, 2021

RAM Will Build An All-Electric Ram 1500 In 2024:

The Ford F-150 Lightning won't be the only full-sized electrified pickup coming to the market from a Detroit automaker. Stellantis has announced that the RAM brand will also be entering the electric pickup market by the 2024 model year. The move comes as the industry moves toward...

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HEMIMANN · Dec 22, 2021

240VAC "Level 2" charger infrastructure is needed to recharge within hours. A conventional 120VAC outlet requires a full day.

Dodge 1500 4X4 · Dec 22, 2021

HEMIMANN said:
240VAC "Level 2" charger infrastructure is needed to recharge within hours.

Is that with 2 hot leads a neutral and a ground 8-10 gage wire, big bucks for that electrical supply, I've been hearing people are putting that in their garage at home, but wait they are a fire Hazzard must be kept outside, my neighbor has one he has the charger in his garage probably the 110-vac version.

HEMIMANN · Dec 22, 2021

Dodge 1500 4X4 said:
Is that with 2 hot leads a neutral and a ground 8-10 gage wire, big bucks for that electrical supply, I've been hearing people are putting that in their garage at home, but wait they are a fire Hazzard must be kept outside, my neighbor has one he has the charger in his garage probably the 110-vac version.

Dunno what the ampacity requirement is. But more often than not I see people springing for the 240V plug in. Your house is 240VAC single phase. This is the power brought into the home breaker box from the utility.

The cost is in bringing out a separate, new wire(s) to a separate, new plug in the garage.

Ram 1970 · Dec 22, 2021

67440dodge said:
The big problem I see EV in general is you can't plug any charger into any vehicle and charge up and drive away. Tesla only charges Tesla, Hyundai only charges Hyundai, VW only charges VW, etc etc.. Until they come with a standard I can pull into any station anywhere and charge up, I'm sticking with at least a gas/hybrid setup. I know there are companies developing setups with multiple charging cords at their locations, but what happens when you've got 10 people in line in front of you? Tesla may take X hrs to charge, Ford with extended battery takes XX hours and Rivian takes *** hours.

Ramble mode off, I'll shut up now

Yep, those are some of the few challenges they will be facing as we transition. No doubt we will get workarounds until there is a final solution for each and every issue. The switch will not happen overnight, much like the transition from big heavy 70s non-emission v8s to the fuel efficient smaller lighter vehicles of the 80s.

67440dodge · Dec 22, 2021

Ram 1970 said:
Yep, those are some of the few challenges they will be facing as we transition. No doubt we will get workarounds until there is a final solution for each and every issue. The switch will not happen overnight, much like the transition from big heavy 70s non-emission v8s to the fuel efficient smaller lighter vehicles of the 80s.

and some of us remember how reliable how they were... K-car, Citation, Chevette, Granada.... 150hp Corvettes.. and the creme da le creme... YUGO!

Ram 1970 · Dec 22, 2021

ah, but you can't make omelettes without cracking a few eggs.....and Yugo engine blocks....

67440dodge · Dec 23, 2021

HEMIMANN said:
Dunno what the ampacity requirement is. But more often than not I see people springing for the 240V plug in. Your house is 240VAC single phase. This is the power brought into the home breaker box from the utility.

The cost is in bringing out a separate, new wire(s) to a separate, new plug in the garage.

Friend has a Tesla 3... he just texted it's 48amps to the plugin, and he only has 200A to house. Charges fully overnight from almost dead charge

Mister Luck · Dec 23, 2021

The Hemi is a Hemi the definition of a Hemi is Broad as a marketing tool.
Just think of of us all driving green Italian shamrock’s Alfa’s which are not terrible cars let’s face it thats how Ferrari got his start

FCA Global Medium Engine - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Just as long as we don’t receive the small global engine that Mitsubishi made

mtwofeathers · Dec 23, 2021

KC5TGQ said:
I read on TTAC that the Hemi will be dropped after 2023. New emission standards are leading Stellantis to drop them. My understanding is that a twin turbo V-6 world engine is the replacement.

From what I've seen, the hemi will still be used in trucks, just not in cars. The GME T6, looks like the replacement for cars. Its a pretty decent engine.

Willie Mosher · Dec 23, 2021

Yes, Ford has a v 6 in the 1/2 ton
But in the 3/4 ton + they still have 6.2 V8. An newer 7.3 gas,
So big gas probably going be around for few more years,

( FORD-testing the v 6 in the 3/4 ton
In Death Valley back few years , it totally burned to the ground)

As for EV can tow big numbers but not for long (6000 lbs about 100 miles)

Aircommuter · Dec 23, 2021

Just imagine how much real estate they are going to need since charging takes a minimum of ten times longer.
There isn’t much point in building charge stations without cleaning up the source. That will take decades and legal battles too.
Insurance rates are higher for EVs also since a crash can be so expensive when the battery gets damaged.
They will have to quit making charge stations that aren’t drive through for trailers.
Lots to do and off to a poor start in so many ways.

67440dodge · Dec 23, 2021

HEMI is just a trademark name that some schmuck at Chrysler trademarked back in the 50's, and they kept renewing every time it was going to expire, even if they never use it. (Sorta like Richard Childress kept buying the #3 from Nascar and never used it after Dale E's death until recently) From the Flathead Ford V8 to a Toyota, (I always called mine the HemiYota) hemispherical combustion chambers have been in use since almost the beginning of time.

It's all about marketing.. What sells more cars.. a "Challenger Scat Pack with 392 HEMI" or "Challenger Scat Pack with 6.4L V8"?

What's funny is "Hemi" is dead next year, yet Mopar just re-introduced the Direct Connection Performance Parts" program for muscle cars/trucks...

2019RamInSC · Dec 23, 2021

67440dodge said:
HEMI is just a trademark name that some schmuck at Chrysler trademarked back in the 50's, and they kept renewing every time it was going to expire, even if they never use it. (Sorta like Richard Childress kept buying the #3 from Nascar and never used it after Dale E's death until recently) From the Flathead Ford V8 to a Toyota, (I always called mine the HemiYota) hemispherical combustion chambers have been in use since almost the beginning of time.

It's all about marketing.. What sells more cars.. a "Challenger Scat Pack with 392 HEMI" or "Challenger Scat Pack with 6.4L V8"?

What's funny is "Hemi" is dead next year, yet Mopar just re-introduced the Direct Connection Performance Parts" program for muscle cars/trucks...

So "hemi" was not short for "hemi-spephirical heads" ? Just a marketing ploy?

2012RAM1500RT · Dec 23, 2021

67440dodge said:
HEMI is just a trademark name that some schmuck at Chrysler trademarked back in the 50's, and they kept renewing every time it was going to expire, even if they never use it. (Sorta like Richard Childress kept buying the #3 from Nascar and never used it after Dale E's death until recently) From the Flathead Ford V8 to a Toyota, (I always called mine the HemiYota) hemispherical combustion chambers have been in use since almost the beginning of time.

It's all about marketing.. What sells more cars.. a "Challenger Scat Pack with 392 HEMI" or "Challenger Scat Pack with 6.4L V8"?

What's funny is "Hemi" is dead next year, yet Mopar just re-introduced the Direct Connection Performance Parts" program for muscle cars/trucks...

The word " HEMI" and toyota in the same sentence is BLASPHEMY! I'll stick with the Chrysler version!

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