Hemi being discontinuted

grubin648 said:

I ordered my Challenger in November. Who knows when it will be in. My 21 Laramie has etourque the 6. I am very pleased with it. Great gas and I dont do heavy tow any longer. For 7 k it’s fine but used as a truck suv. However I’ll think about the 24 electric if it get the 500 mile charge as stated. Not buy but lease short term as a try. i did like my volt plug in. It was great with over 60 most times on a charge in the warm months.
great but small. Big thing most new electric owners must educate themselves is that no matter what the miles per charge is remember everything powers off the battery. Winter cold a lot less as well. Buyers that do not educate themselves will be very disappointed. For me the 500 mile charge is a game changer to try out

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I really hope it works out for people who wants an electric vehicle but I personally think they are still putting the cart before the horse, sorry electric people.

2012RAM1500RT said:

For me I so enjoy the smokey burnouts, the open headers, the fenders shaking, the ground shaking, the wheel stands and the smell of racing fuel! If you want to call electric vehicles drag racing, my God, how much more boring can it get. Their excitement is .......... Well I couldn't think of one! Drag racing will be dead, that's probably ok with some of you but thank God for when I got to grow up!

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I completely agree...but it is what it is. The tesla is there beating everything.

The Demon can not compete. But the new charger will.

Apparently I am not getting across what I am trying to say.

I have no use or want for a electric vehicle...but I love seeing Mopar dominating everything they can.

392DevilDog said:

I completely agree...but it is what it is. The tesla is there beating everything.

The Demon can not compete. But the new charger will.

Apparently I am not getting across what I am trying to say.

I have no use or want for a electric vehicle...but I love seeing Mopar dominating everything they can.

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I agree, we are on the same side, tesla and Demon not same category, tesla a girl mobile, Demon, man mobile! It's just that tesla vehicle's are meaningless to me. They are like a fast circular saw! Woooopee!

It is frustrating. The Demon just sets the world on fire. People have to spend lots of time practicing and becoming one with the car.

Any body can take a tesla to the track and whoop on most everyone...with no experience necessary. The EV Charger will take care of that.

The Demon can pull the front wheels... No darn Tesla can do that lol.

392DevilDog said:

It is frustrating. The Demon just sets the world on fire. People have to spend lots of time practicing and becoming one with the car.

Any body can take a tesla to the track and whoop on most everyone...with no experience necessary. The EV Charger will take care of that.

The Demon can pull the front wheels... No darn Tesla can do that lol.

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A Demon is exciting, a tesla is ....... electric. But you're right, apple's and apple's I hope the name Charger brings boy elon to his knees!

392DevilDog said:

It is frustrating. The Demon just sets the world on fire. People have to spend lots of time practicing and becoming one with the car.

Any body can take a tesla to the track and whoop on most everyone...with no experience necessary. The EV Charger will take care of that.

The Demon can pull the front wheels... No darn Tesla can do that lol.

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It's like when I take my truck to the track with traction control and all, it's not like being a human and learning and knowing how to control my car at the track and winning without help from computers like back in the muscle car days. Just not the same!

Go off roading with an electric? When your battery dies in the middle of nowhere make sure you have a lllooonnnggg extension cord!

Fergusontd said:

Go off roading with an electric? When your battery dies in the middle of nowhere make sure you have a lllooonnnggg extension cord!

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I agree with you but you are talking to ones who don't care!

22K tesla replacement battery. I think I'll pass

In a bid to protest against the cost of a replacement battery, a Tesla Model S owner in Finland decided to blow up his electric car with dynamite along with an effigy of Tesla CEO Elon Musk, media reports say. According to the Daily Mail, Tuomas Katainen blew up his Tesla S Model 2012 with 66 lbs of dynamite after its battery failed and he was faced with the $22,000 repair bill.

i keep on seeing this- has stellantis made a press statement on this and i missed it?

blahargoue said:

I can envision a new "2500 Lite." Basically a 1500 series truck with a GVW of 8601 lbs. The truck would be exempt from the 40 mpg standard yet retain the driveability of a 1500 and a tow rating under 11k. Just a thought...

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This is a good idea! I like this! Purposely overweight, steel everything, lifted, big tires, big block gasser hemi, true dual exhausts. America in a box basically. It would sell like hotcakes!

njjeff201 said:

Mmmm…. think the future is electric not in turbos

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i like electrics but i think the future is not there for 100% electrics, they will be a luxury item. the future is hybrids from a mix of gas + electric and a generator pushing electric no batteries (similar to a locomotive).

blahargoue said:

I am interested in knowing how Ram is going to meet the new 40mpg 2026 CAFE requirement for cars and light trucks (1500 series and smaller). Ford can offset their 20 mpg trucks by selling the Lightening and relying on high mpg subcompact cars. GM can also do a similar tactic.

But can Ram as a separate division do that? Ram doesn't have really high fuel mileage small cars and EVs to skew the average. Will the 1500 series trucks be able to reach the standard and still have a decent towing ability?

HD trucks (8600 GVW or more) are exempt. HD trucks however have evolved into trucks with much higher capacities than the bread and butter 1500 series owner needs or wants. I can envision a new "2500 Lite." Basically a 1500 series truck with a GVW of 8601 lbs. The truck would be exempt from the 40 mpg standard yet retain the driveability of a 1500 and a tow rating under 11k. Just a thought...

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They did similar in '78 with the Li'l Red Express!

Fergusontd said:

Go off roading with an electric? When your battery dies in the middle of nowhere make sure you have a lllooonnnggg extension cord!

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The people who are forcing all electric are also the people that would be most happy to kill off roading. Stopping off roading is bonus - to them.

I see the electrics as commuter vehicles at first. if you live in an urban area where there are plenty of charging options, an electric might make a good vehicle for commuting and running down to the taco place and back. folks out on the fringes and in the country where things are farther apart are going to be a harder sale. I can just imagine the traffic jams around those charging stations on the interstate during holiday travel days when instead of 5 minutes to refuel, every vehicle needing 15-20 or more. people always figure out a work around for these government one size fits all mandates. like during the Carter years when they came up with some strict mileage rules and full size cars all of a sudden had small wheezey motors or you could buy something small and cramped but very fuel efficient. the general public responded by buying vans and suv's which more than cancelled out the intended reduction in fuel consumption. literally everyone I knew ended up with fullsize Blazers or Broncos or family vans with V8's. and thus the advent of 4 door pickups as the new family vehicle for many folks.

I will stick with my Cummins, don't see an EV being able to pull my camper very far

texas law dog said:

haven't read all posts but want to ask about the charging of these vehicles. Has the engineers and intellihencia thought this thru? I haven't seen anywhere that this is being posed. I have a big problem wondering what will really happen once millions of electric vehicles are on the road. How will there ever be enough power for all these vehicles once that happens? The demand for electricity will exponentially increase(we will not only have to continue our necessary increased supply of power for the masses plus now the new added electricity needed to power these millions of vehicles). Where is this ominous increase of demand going to come from? Maybe we will not only curtail the decrease of energy from fossil fuel, we will have to vastly increase fossil fuel energy to try to keep up with the new geometrically affected need for energy an electric flotilla of vehicles will demand? Wouldn't that defeat the simple reason of the whole concept of what the experts are designing these electric vehicles for?.......decreasing the dependence on fossil fuel? Not to mention the myriad new demands for electricity and those other cause and effect problems that might arise that will make this whole concept far worse than our current '''''problem''''' as viewed by the ''''''''''experts''''''''''!!!!!

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I have a Tesla and the cost to charge is almost nothing. To say that the entire system would be overloaded is a stretch. It is a certainly that our automobile industry will be all electric within my grandchildren’s lifetime. Instead of gas stations you will have charging stations. Probably almost a equal tradeoff when you consider how much electricity these new megastations use.How our government handles regulation of it is a whole new question.

texas law dog said:

haven't read all posts but want to ask about the charging of these vehicles. Has the engineers and intellihencia thought this thru? I haven't seen anywhere that this is being posed. I have a big problem wondering what will really happen once millions of electric vehicles are on the road. How will there ever be enough power for all these vehicles once that happens? The demand for electricity will exponentially increase(we will not only have to continue our necessary increased supply of power for the masses plus now the new added electricity needed to power these millions of vehicles). Where is this ominous increase of demand going to come from? Maybe we will not only curtail the decrease of energy from fossil fuel, we will have to vastly increase fossil fuel energy to try to keep up with the new geometrically affected need for energy an electric flotilla of vehicles will demand? Wouldn't that defeat the simple reason of the whole concept of what the experts are designing these electric vehicles for?.......decreasing the dependence on fossil fuel? Not to mention the myriad new demands for electricity and those other cause and effect problems that might arise that will make this whole concept far worse than our current '''''problem''''' as viewed by the ''''''''''experts''''''''''!!!!!

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I would imagine the same question was asked when we went from kerosene lamps to electric lightbulbs or when we went from the horse and carriage to the automobile.
Imagine trying to convince the masses that we would find oil, refine it in the gasoline and ship it to gas stations all over the country with large tanks to store it. “if I’m driving from Reno to Las Vegas you’re going to have those tanks all across the state?!!”
We did it and putting in charging station is way easier than installing gasoline tanks and pumps.
We built an infrastructure where I can fill my 33 gallon tank pretty much anywhere when I need it, that system is huge and expensive to maintain.
The question is, do you think we could build an infrastructure to maintain electric cars, I don’t see any reason why not. Even if we don’t continue to move to renewable fuels like solar and wind, burning petroleum to generate energy, at least you could control it better having it centralized. And again shipping electricity out two spots between Las Vegas and Reno is much cheaper than shipping gasoline there.
On the free market side of it my McDonald’s just installed two power stations and they’re putting solar panels on the roof. I don’t know how profitable it will be, but it’s definitely low maintenance. That could be a fuel station in the middle of Nevada a few power stations with a solar panels. Now you have to be fueling during the day, but when they first started with internal combustion cars, I doubt if gas stations are open 24 hours.
I think we’ll get the infrastructure just fine and they’ll be a booming industry in to improve on it.

so much fake news about electric vehicles...

No the system isnt going to be overwhelmed... yes if all of a sudden every vehicle was replaced it would... but this is reality..

Lies about the resources it takes to make an electric vehicle... I remember when Fox was seriously hating on the volt back in the day..

Tesla is fine, electric vehicles are fine... ICE still works... Charging will go everywhere eventually.. sure sh*t will go down but stop being karens about it.

I feel for the auto mechanics of the future though... they will be mostly changing brakes and tires and fixing small body, interior issues... the transmission guys(they are f'ing crooks anyways). The guys rebuilding ICE engines... Eventually those jobs will go away. They can rebuild electric motors i guess, and these cars will need repairs just alot less. Battery replacement(stop making up bs, they are lasting over 200k if not more). this is all going to happen gradually.

texas law dog said:

haven't read all posts but want to ask about the charging of these vehicles. Has the engineers and intellihencia thought this thru? I haven't seen anywhere that this is being posed. I have a big problem wondering what will really happen once millions of electric vehicles are on the road. How will there ever be enough power for all these vehicles once that happens? The demand for electricity will exponentially increase(we will not only have to continue our necessary increased supply of power for the masses plus now the new added electricity needed to power these millions of vehicles). Where is this ominous increase of demand going to come from? Maybe we will not only curtail the decrease of energy from fossil fuel, we will have to vastly increase fossil fuel energy to try to keep up with the new geometrically affected need for energy an electric flotilla of vehicles will demand? Wouldn't that defeat the simple reason of the whole concept of what the experts are designing these electric vehicles for?.......decreasing the dependence on fossil fuel? Not to mention the myriad new demands for electricity and those other cause and effect problems that might arise that will make this whole concept far worse than our current '''''problem''''' as viewed by the ''''''''''experts''''''''''!!!!!

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Electric vehicles are more efficient than combustion motors, using less power resources in general to run. The electricity provided by the electric grid is much more diverse than the singular petrol fuel, is less subject to impediment and is less centrally controlled. This diversity reduces the likelihood of crazy surges in price and actual (or perceived) reduction of supply.

There is no doubt the petroleum spigot cannot just be turned off, we are in a transition, one that has been projected and understood since electric vehicles have become viable. Similarly, the availability and demand for electric vehicles and other non-petroleum fuel vehicles will also not switch overnight. You don’t need to worry, we will still be dependent on oil for quite a while longer. In fact, 2021 saw more demand for petroleum than before the pandemic (not because of a higher number of electric vehicles on the road). However, with alternative, clean, renewable fuels like solar, wind, hydro, etc. becoming much cheaper (solar is the cheapest energy/kWh), shortages of energy from diverse and local sources will be much less of a challenge than maintaining our dependence on global oil and the few who control it. There is A LOT less that can go wrong when energy is locally sourced and clean than when it has to be extracted from the earth, transported (possibly spilled), refined, transported again (possibly spilled), delivered (possibly spilled), burned and mitigated.

There is still infrastructure to be put in place and you are seeing that happening as we speak. Production and demand for electric/alternative fuel vehicles will not outpace the available infrastructure to support them. I have a plug-in hybrid car that gets more than 950 miles per 9.5 gal. tank of gas, my electric bill has hardly increased over a noticeable variance. Petroleum and carbon fuels will not be a major factor when the majority of vehicles on the road are electric or non-petroleum, clean fuel vehicles.

Electric vehicles will not cause for more energy problems, pollution or increased dependence on fossil fuels. Electric vehicles will solve many of the geopolitical and economic challenges central to our addiction to petroleum and other carbon fuels.There is plenty of information on the subject which can be found on the interwebs. I am happy to help with resources, if you care to read about the subject.